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Dude, I don't have to insult you back, because it's not right to pick on the handicapped. But, your ideas and opinions have proven false, not by me or people in this thread, but by the situation we are in....to use a Latin term "Prima Facie" it is clear who is right and who is dreadfully wrong!
What insult? That was a mere critic.

Those who fail to see beyond their nose are already busy with making up prescriptions for Iranian armed forces. Oh they should have done this and that.

Reality is, Iran repelled a pre planned attack. And did it well despite the civilian casualties. West will learn who was the rising lion. This slap will awaken us and brings every political spectrum together minus traitors who receive budget from abroad.

IRIAF is on the right track. Till they are prepared, IRGCASF will compensate their absence.
 
And what track is that? The track of almost non-existence and running away from the enemy in the first hour of the war?
Track of independence and self reliance.

You can tell us, why Chinese online posters were pointing at Chabahar? Obviously, before going for Gwadar, they had their eyes on Chabahar. China will help us militarily only when we lose independence. Friendship and dependence are different. And differentiating them needs wisdom.

Don't expect any big ticket item from big boys while you try to keep your own independence intact.
 
Track of independence and self reliance.

You can tell us, why Chinese online posters were pointing at Chabahar? Obviously, before going for Gwadar, they had their eyes on Chabahar. China will help us militarily only when we lose independence. Friendship and dependence are different. And differentiating them needs wisdom.

Don't expect any big ticket item from big boys while you try to keep your own independence intact.
Muhammed Jan, don't even go there.

Don't even talk about independence after all that Russia has done to us and we're still sucking up to them. Or after resuming negotiations with the EU and the US like nothing has happened. It's way too late for even using such excuses.
 
What insult? That was a mere critic.

Those who fail to see beyond their nose are already busy with making up prescriptions for Iranian armed forces. Oh they should have done this and that.

Reality is, Iran repelled a pre planned attack. And did it well despite the civilian casualties. West will learn who was the rising lion. This slap will awaken us and brings every political spectrum together minus traitors who receive budget from abroad.

IRIAF is on the right track. Till they are prepared, IRGCASF will compensate their absence.
Bro, I'm bored with your old talking points....This whole forum knows what you don't .... heck, the whole world knows.
 
But we have had people here who believed that an air force is useless and unnecessarily expensive when you have missiles for offense. lol
You are new to PDF it seems, but there was one guy on the old PDF called "SalarHaqq" who was one of those guys.
 
You are new to PDF it seems, but there was one guy on the old PDF called "SalarHaqq" who was one of those guys.
Nah, I've been around for a couple of years, more like 15 years.
I did fight with that particular user a lot. Weird that he's disappeared.
 
IRI doesn´t have money for a modern multirole air force and a huge missile force. Scarcity seems to have pushed IRI to choose one.
But Iran has managed to spend 30–50 billion USD in Syria since 2011, paying for military operations, allied groups, and moving weapons. This shows the problem is not a total lack of money, but how the money is used. With that same amount, Iran could have built one of the most modern multirole air forces in the region. That could mean more than 200 advanced fighters like Su-35 or J-10C, supported by AWACS for early warning, modern aerial tankers for long-range strikes, advanced missiles for air and ground targets, and layered air defense systems like the HQ-9 or S-400 to protect key areas. An air force like this would make it much harder for Israel to operate freely in the region. It could protect Iran’s skies and make any attack on Iran very costly for Israel in terms of aircraft, resources, and risk. This would give Iran much stronger deterrence than today
 
But the point I disagree it is that IRI authorities did know. They did know perfectly they were fighting with a tied hand.
Didn’t Khamenei himself declare nuclear weapons haram? If the leadership made that decision from the start, then of course they knew they were going into this with one hand tied. That was their own choice, not something forced on them later.
 
Didn’t Khamenei himself declare nuclear weapons haram? If the leadership made that decision from the start, then of course they knew they were going into this with one hand tied. That was their own choice, not something forced on them later.
He has been an unmitigated disaster, I can think of few worse rulers in modern history. However the alternatives are equally bad. Everyone else in the opposition, including domestic opposition like the reformists, just want to act as the overseer for the whites over a landlocked rump state after it's destroyed. Unfortunately, Iranian society is too civilized and not militarized enough to survive in the modern world as is.
 
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I have said this a thousand times. They just don't want to listen to the most basic facts about air power.

I'm not talking about Emirzad, whom you're quoting. Emirzad is one of the well-educated people here who understands military affairs well. But we have had people here who believed that an air force is useless and unnecessarily expensive when you have missiles for offense. lol

Everything that happened during the 12 day war had been thoroughly warned about by a lot of people many times, including me on several occasions. The IR is extremely incompetent, but it is quite good at convincing their supporters of their foolish ideas like the uselessness of an air force, or nuclear weapons lol
Suppose iran now spends $10 billion and gets 100 jets. If the enemy this time turns out to be the USA, how much help will it actually be against this type of adversary?

Wouldn't the US be able to just destroy most of Iran's fleet whilst grounded or even in the air considering the power of the USAF?

Of course I understand how useful an air force is against Israel, but please enlighten me if the opponent was the US?

I am genuinely curious. If the 100 planes would be useless against USA, then in this scenario one could argue that they would just be better off spending the $10 billion on more offensive and survivable weapons.

And maybe just buy the amount of jets that you have space for under the mountains
 
Suppose iran now spends $10 billion and gets 100 jets. If the enemy this time turns out to be the USA, how much help will it actually be against this type of adversary?
First of all, you'll get 200 J-10CE with $10 billion dollars.
Secondly, who says you have to spend $10 billion dollars? Where does that restriction come from?
Thirdly, suppose that your enemy is a neighboring country like Republic of Azerbaijan or the United Arab Emirates. All of these countries are in fact more likely to attack Iran directly and launch a proxy war, particularly after what happened recently. Do you think you will win the war with just missiles?

Fourthly, even if your enemy is the US, 400-500 fighter jets with AEW&C and IADS will impose extremely challenging restrictions on the US that will discourage the US from getting into a war with Iran. It definitely beats the hell out of having no air force to protect your AD, just like what happened with Iran-Israel.

Wouldn't the US be able to just destroy most of Iran's fleet whilst grounded or even in the air considering the power of the USAF?
First and foremost, forget about the air, you need an air force to fight back on the ground. If you are already so confident that you are defeated from day 1, there is no point in fighting back at all. You should capitulate and surrender unconditionally. Because without an air force, you cannot even transport your troops to fight the enemy, particularly in a large country like Iran.

An air force gives you the ability to protect your IADS, to prevent your enemy from establishing complete air dominance. In fact, no country can claim it has an IADS without having an air force.
Then, it obviously increases the cost of war with you (duh!). This is a no-brainer. That in itself is a form of deterrence.
I don't want to make a bold claim, but I will take the bait anyway: There is no such thing as true stealth technology if you have a dense, multi-angle, multi-static radar network integrated with airborne assets.
You cannot leave your C&C, acquisition and FCR, TELs, power supply, et cetera defenseless; and without an air force, they are defenseless. If you want to ask why, see what Israel did to our OTH and bi-static radars, S-300 FCRs, etc.

Of course I understand how useful an air force is against Israel, but please enlighten me if the opponent was the US?
No offense, but you asked this question already. How many times are you going to ask the same question?

I am genuinely curious. If the 100 planes would be useless against USA, then in this scenario one could argue that they would just be better off spending the $10 billion on more offensive and survivable weapons.
Completely irrelevant. These two things are completely irrelevant from one another. Refer to what I said earlier.

Here's the essence of your argument:
Imagine I am short-sighted and I can't see without glasses. And you say: OK, you can't see, but your opponent is strong and he can punch you and break your glasses. So, instead of buying glasses, you should buy a hearing aid instead.

And maybe just buy the amount of jets that you have space for under the mountains
Another weird argument. Why don't you build more underground air bases instead? Why is that not a possibility?
 
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Of course I understand how useful an air force is against Israel, but please enlighten me if the opponent was the US?
There are techniques and strategies to fight superior forces in air warfare.
DACT exercises tries to teach and learn how to fight different level air forces.

100 fighters are better than the just dozens Mig29A/B in service. And using them in challenging high mountains for masking and supported by an IADs capable of giving real time data two way (data link) for a realistic situational awareness will act as a force multuplier for a such small firghter fleet.

IMO (I have no proof) that is the correct way how can Ukrainian air force fight back RuAF with passive sensors (from Germany mainly Twinvis passive radar) in addition to medium range batteries of Hawk and Patriots systems.


Also Israel is offering similar platform for creating Air defense grids without emitters.


IAI’s ELTA division has become a global leader in integrating active and passive systems to create a comprehensive PASP (Acapella). “Our systems combine the best of both worlds,” Mr. F. states. “We integrate active radar like the MS-MMR with passive sensors, offering a robust and reliable air situation picture. These solutions are battle-tested, delivering consistent performance in real-world scenarios.”

Iran can improve their IADs adding a complete layer of passive radar, supported by IR scanning sensors (like AD-08 IR search and tracking systems), turn off active radars and operate them with two way data link fighters when available.

Also at long term Iran should be capable of build and operate ASAT missiles. With those it would be possible to destroy some of the satellites that would eventually help an invader force to hunt IRIAF


The Pentagon has already started testing sensors for tracking airborne targets on board satellites NORTHCOM Commander Air Force Gen. Gregory Guillot recently said at a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee. Lt. Gen. Shawn Bratton, Space Force deputy for strategy, plans, programs and requirements confirmed Guillot’s statement.

it is not the matter of purchasing 100 or 200 fighters. IRIAF can add new layers on the IAD and use any fighter fleet to work together with that IADS. Ukraine has operated a very small force with limited success against RuAF. And they did combining their small fleet of aircraft with resilient IAD that includes passive sensors.
 

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