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[Flotilla]

Sorry buddy.ur country iran is weak in every aspect of the defence.ur missile force is not the best.and of course ur sam systems are also pathetic.we have seen ur country's performance when israel attacked ur country.

Ok, maybe Iran is so weak. But that means that Israel and US are stupids enough to stop fighting Irán to the last shell. So against iranian weakness we have israelo-us stupidity that surpasses iranian weakness. It is a good ratio.

 

[Abid123]

ur missile force is not the best

It is very good. The problem was that many of the missile launchers were destroyed early on. Hopefully the new IRGC top generals know that they should not sleep in normal apartment's during tension.

 

[tsunset]

It is very good. The problem was that many of the missile launchers were destroyed early on. Hopefully the new IRGC top generals know that they should not sleep in normal apartment's during tension.

There were a low number of launchers destroyed (not more than 20 at grand max). 20 is nothing compared to Iran arsenal of launchers and missiles

The western missile bases were rendered inoperable so Iran resorted to use those in central Iran

Right now the western bases should be operational

 

[ShapurII]

There were a low number of launchers destroyed (not more than 20 at grand max). 20 is nothing compared to Iran arsenal of launchers and missiles

The western missile bases were rendered inoperable so Iran resorted to use those in central Iran

Right now the western bases should be operational

We need to build more missile bases in central and eastern regions of Iran.

 

[tsunset]

We need to build more missile bases in central and eastern regions of Iran.

Iran needs to build a special long range MRBM (K-1 and K-4, not Emad/Ghadr) base close to Pakistan

Israel shown it is incapable of attaining central and eastern Iran, K-1/4 can reach Israel at will even if launched 50km away from Pakistan

 

[kastor ville]

We need to build more missile bases in central and eastern regions of Iran.

Yes, and perhaps we need to add some guerilla tactics, and spoofing, such as missile launchers disguised as semi trucks. and train caboose....parked them all over the country, heck, drive them around a few times a month. We need to learn about the enemy's battle planning...and take notes. We know, they relied heavily on surprise, also, they relied heavily on internal collaborators....we need to counter both of those weaknesses. Have an SOP for HV personnel, let's not housed them like normal civies. We need to invest money in them...make sure they're protected. This 2nd part is a bit distasteful and heavy handed for our citizens...I know it, but we have no choice, counter intelligence groups need to interrogate the captured spies, and find out how they were recruited, then we setup the same kind of links, websites and adverts......this way we can create fear/doubt for people thinking about clicking on those links and collaborating with the enemy. Last thing, is produce or import heavily armored cars for HV personnel. The idea of having people taken out by a fking MEK operative on a motorcycle needs to end.

 

[ToddE]

Ok, maybe Iran is so weak. But that means that Israel and US are stupids enough to stop fighting Irán to the last shell. So against iranian weakness we have israelo-us stupidity that surpasses iranian weakness. It is a good ratio.

It is very good. The problem was that many of the missile launchers were destroyed early on. Hopefully the new IRGC top generals know that they should not sleep in normal apartment's during tension.

Mass report the troll. Thread should be purely Technical.

 

[ToddE]

There are techniques and strategies to fight superior forces in air warfare.
DACT exercises tries to teach and learn how to fight different level air forces.

100 fighters are better than the just dozens Mig29A/B in service. And using them in challenging high mountains for masking and supported by an IADs capable of giving real time data two way (data link) for a realistic situational awareness will act as a force multuplier for a such small firghter fleet.

IMO (I have no proof) that is the correct way how can Ukrainian air force fight back RuAF with passive sensors (from Germany mainly Twinvis passive radar) in addition to medium range batteries of Hawk and Patriots systems.

Twinvis

HENSOLDT´s passive radar Twinvis leverages existing VHF and UHF signals from analogue and digital radio, as well as television. As it has no own emissions, it is silent. Absence of active transmitters makes it invisible to radar search and it is jammer-resistant. Features include gap...

www.hensoldt.net

Also Israel is offering similar platform for creating Air defense grids without emitters.

https://www.iai.co.il/news-media/iai-action/pasp

IAI’s ELTA division has become a global leader in integrating active and passive systems to create a comprehensive PASP (Acapella). “Our systems combine the best of both worlds,” Mr. F. states. “We integrate active radar like the MS-MMR with passive sensors, offering a robust and reliable air situation picture. These solutions are battle-tested, delivering consistent performance in real-world scenarios.”

Iran can improve their IADs adding a complete layer of passive radar, supported by IR scanning sensors (like AD-08 IR search and tracking systems), turn off active radars and operate them with two way data link fighters when available.

Also at long term Iran should be capable of build and operate ASAT missiles. With those it would be possible to destroy some of the satellites that would eventually help an invader force to hunt IRIAF

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/usaf-to-cancel-e-7-aewc-aircraft-and-replace-it-with-space-systems/

The Pentagon has already started testing sensors for tracking airborne targets on board satellites NORTHCOM Commander Air Force Gen. Gregory Guillot recently said at a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee. Lt. Gen. Shawn Bratton, Space Force deputy for strategy, plans, programs and requirements confirmed Guillot’s statement.

it is not the matter of purchasing 100 or 200 fighters. IRIAF can add new layers on the IAD and use any fighter fleet to work together with that IADS. Ukraine has operated a very small force with limited success against RuAF. And they did combining their small fleet of aircraft with resilient IAD that includes passive sensors.

Iranian IADS does operate passive censors which IMO should always have been more than active ones. Iranian IADS made large strides mostly under the command of Gen. Farzad Esmaili who kept on adding a large network of radars and SAMS but most the search and tracking sensors were active. Modern ones yes including ECCM equipped large planar GaN AESAs but passive ones legged behind. An example is seen in Iranian drones and unveiled fighters that always lacked IRSTs despite that fact that there are companies inside Iran that produce long range IRSTs, on par with Russian ones. Check the IRST on Khordad HIMAD for example.

IMO they never took into consideration what kind of a pain in ass will Free Iraqi Airspace will become for Iran where anyone can come in freely and lob ALBMs/ALCMs at Iran and leave freely. Without large Air-superiority equipped IRIAF the Iraqi airspace is just such a Achilles heel for Iranian IADS that there is just no solution to it. Even if we park hypothetical batteries of Bavar-373, S-300 PMU2 at border with Iraq, the enemy fighters can still enter Iraq, freely lob high apogee separating MaRVed ALBMs at targets inside Iran and leave freely. The only possible solution to them will be a QRA fleet of 60 or so SU-35S armed with R-37, deployed at the western border FABs. These fighters can enter Iraqi airspace the same way Israelis do. They probably can disrupt the attack mechanisms of IAF while reciprocating the attack using their own PGMs, meanwhile IRGCAF can launch its own wave after wave.

By killing IRIAF, mullahs actually added pressure on IRGCAF instead of reducing it.

 

[Piet]

Iranian IADS does operate passive censors which IMO should always have been more than active ones. Iranian IADS made large strides mostly under the command of Gen. Farzad Esmaili who kept on adding a large network of radars and SAMS but most the search and tracking sensors were active. Modern ones yes including ECCM equipped large planar GaN AESAs but passive ones legged behind. An example is seen in Iranian drones and unveiled fighters that always lacked IRSTs despite that fact that there are companies inside Iran that produce long range IRSTs, on par with Russian ones. Check the IRST on Khordad HIMAD for example.

IMO they never took into consideration what kind of a pain in ass will Free Iraqi Airspace will become for Iran where anyone can come in freely and lob ALBMs/ALCMs at Iran and leave freely. Without large Air-superiority equipped IRIAF the Iraqi airspace is just such a Achilles heel for Iranian IADS that there is just no solution to it. Even if we park hypothetical batteries of Bavar-373, S-300 PMU2 at border with Iraq, the enemy fighters can still enter Iraq, freely lob high apogee separating MaRVed ALBMs at targets inside Iran and leave freely. The only possible solution to them will be a QRA fleet of 60 or so SU-35S armed with R-37, deployed at the western border FABs. These fighters can enter Iraqi airspace the same way Israelis do. They probably can disrupt the attack mechanisms of IAF while reciprocating the attack using their own PGMs, meanwhile IRGCAF can launch its own wave after wave.

By killing IRIAF, mullahs actually added pressure on IRGCAF instead of reducing it.

Greetings

I agree with what you posted.

Regarding the QRA, even more so. Especially the SU-35S and R-37 combo.

I know that I am probably correct in the internal Political Leadership and the Armed Forces, across the board. If these two camps cannot reconcile their difference's in rebuilding Iran's critical infrastructure, then it will just continue on the same path.

Sometimes it really give me a cramp to see how North Korea fares in this regard.

O k. so lets be flippant about this for a moment..

Maybe it is time to farm out this division to a suitably qualified, and but-kicking person to solve. Even to an non-resident person for s time.

A name that comes to mind is Kim Yo Jong , sister of Kim Jong Un.

Piet

 

[Persian Gulf]

Israel shown it is incapable of attaining central and eastern Iran

didn't they attack Isfahan every day and every precisely hit a 747 tanker in Mashhad (the furthest point from Israel)

 

[Persian Gulf]

We need to build more missile bases in central and eastern regions of Iran.

Khamenei won't be happy about his unilateral 2000km range limit being broken

 

[ShapurII]

Khamenei won't be happy about his unilateral 2000km range limit being broken

Isn't it 2,500km?

 

[Persian Gulf]

Isn't it 2,500km?

no, it was always 2000km

Iran floats expanded missile range amid vows of ‘crushing’ response to Israel

The story: Iranian officials are increasingly warning of a “crushing” response to Israel’s Oct. 26 aerial strike on Iran. Meanwhile, as regional tensions escalate, an advisor to Iran’s supreme leader has suggested that Iran could lift a self-imposed limit on the range of its missiles and...

amwaj.media

Iran’s Leader Sets Missile Range Limit | Arms Control Association

www.armscontrol.org

 

[ToddE]

Greetings

I agree with what you posted.

Regarding the QRA, even more so. Especially the SU-35S and R-37 combo.

I know that I am probably correct in the internal Political Leadership and the Armed Forces, across the board. If these two camps cannot reconcile their difference's in rebuilding Iran's critical infrastructure, then it will just continue on the same path.

Sometimes it really give me a cramp to see how North Korea fares in this regard.

O k. so lets be flippant about this for a moment..

Maybe it is time to farm out this division to a suitably qualified, and but-kicking person to solve. Even to an non-resident person for s time.

A name that comes to mind is Kim Yo Jong , sister of Kim Jong Un.

Piet

DPRK by pure luck got its old stupid communist dictator Kim Jong Il replaced by younger, aggressive and nationalist Kim Jung Un. It happened at right time for DPRK. IRI unfortunately is still under Islamist peace dove senile Khamenei who deliberately ruined Iranian deterrence by resisting nuclear weapons, ICBMs, IRIAF.

Make no mistake, DPRK is still a bankrupt socialist hell hole with national GDP about quarter of Tehran City but its leader loves its nation. He armed it to the teeth and is just not bowing down to foreign pressure. IRI leadership loves using foreign involvement for domestic politics. So there is the difference. What kind of a traitor leader you gotta be to say in the middle of a hot war against Israel that your own country is not important. Khamenei said it but can we expect that from Kim? Same Kim who test fires ICBMs every Tuesday or who now wields 60 devices.

Iran's MODAFL started cutting the IRIAF budgets some 25 years ago in favor of IRGCAF and proxy networks in region. I wrote an entire piece on it in the very same thread. The last actual $$$ that MODAFL gave to IRIAF was during Obama diplomacy times when F-14A fleet's FMC airframes rose to 40+ with 26 QRA airframes. US released the parts that Iran just could not build at home. Same MODAFL funded IRGC's quds force that wasted hundreds of billions of USD of Iranian nation in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan to what avail? IRIAF is a dead force until we get new leadership. I get it IRGCAF is more important as we saw in recent war but Mullahs could have easily secured Iraqi airspace through a credible fleet of MRCA's like SU-35S had they been serious.

 

[ToddE]

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