Opinion: India Pakistan near conflict - Escalation management non-existent

[kobra]

These are all very effective missile systems in their defined role. What Pakistan really needs is a counter reponse to BrahMos.

Spot On. Going by the humilation their AF recieved in May and what happened b/w Irn & Isr, It can be said with certainity that Modi is going to use their jewel in numbers, They did hit our bases last time and we dealt aome blow but this timw they can throw big salvos, i mean in dozens.
We have to get rid of restraint and calculated response policy. Israhell had multi layered multi nation Air/missile defense system, infact the most protected airspace in the worl yet irani missile brought havoc there, despite at such a great distance. We need policy shift, we cant afford dozens of missiles landing in our main cities.

 

[Dalit]

Spot On. Going by the humilation their AF recieved in May and what happened b/w Irn & Isr, It can be said with certainity that Modi is going to use their jewel in numbers, They did hit our bases last time and we dealt aome blow but this timw they can throw big salvos, i mean in dozens.
We have to get rid of restraint and calculated response policy. Israhell had multi layered multi nation Air/missile defense system, infact the most protected airspace in the worl yet irani missile brought havoc there, despite at such a great distance. We need policy shift, we cant afford dozens of missiles landing in our main cities.

If there was one big learning moment for Pakistan, it was the use of BrahMos by our enemy. We need to learn and develop counter capabilities. Cost effective doesn't mean that you stop developing high performance missile capabilities. Both go hand in hand.

Make no mistake. The enemy will use these weapons again and we better be prepared.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I'll take both these as one, exactly right

Just objectively stand back, and look at this in the third person

Pakistan as above mentioned much smaller, much poorer we are told

Yet somehow, it really doesn't count for anything, because nukes and cost inflicted, is effectively a non-starter.

So you have a parity, or an equilibrium.


So the two Nations, you would think would find an equilibrium mutually agreed ..... As in, this is not all ideal but let's respectfully acknowledge one another


Current day India does not allow it, it insists on maximalist outcomes that are inherently destined to disappoint. Like the last two decades. It simultaneously pretends Pakistan is not a factor, but constantly saying it and repeating it, thus making Pakistan a factor. It's like a hormonal teenager that can't have a mature discussion

Therefore you wonder, what are they thinking?

Do they really consider themselves a civilization? Do they really take themselves seriously?
I don't believe they do, because they just don't know how to

For whatever reason, indians feel that they have a divine right to be the most superior race on the planet HOWEVER the reality is that they are the COMPLETE OPPOSITE to what they want to be and indian kind knows this VERY WELL. This causes them to act wildly and impulsively. One of the reason they blame for their inferiority is Pakistan. Pakistan and Pakistanis make them feel insecure and suicidal. Have no idea why this is.

indians are weird creatures. They worship and are desperate to be slaves of white europeans and jews YET the white europeans and jews despise indians and see them as an inferior race.

 

[Ak01]

Are you sure? Can you provide credible and independent evidence to the links that confirm Pakistani naval ships are no match for the indian naval ships?

PS Your post sounds like the propaganda before May 2025 that the Pakistani airforce is at least 35 years behind the iaf.

Can you post links to credible and independent evidence that supports all the claims and assertions you have made above?

 

[Abid123]

Next time hit financial targets in Mumbai. Lit them up.

 

[PK781]

If the Pakistani security establishment is really serious, it needs to be very careful not to fall in the american traps. Trump cozying up to Pakistan can change at any time once their interest is no longer there. Remember they were all onboard when india launched its attack on our soil, so their true intentions will always be to hurt Pak when the chance presents itself. Remember they will always be trying to contain China which goes against our strategic and economic interests. A prosperous and strong Pakistan is a nightmare for the zionists in usa and israel and russia and also for the extremist hindutva in india. They all want every muslim country to be weak, destroyed and slave and bow to them.

We will suffer heavy price if we still go the "showing restraint" and "acting maturely" and trying to earn brownie points from the west (its practically useless). Remember they will always try to discourage us from taking out the enemy, like they did in May 2025 they protected their little bitch from destruction by forcing Pakistan to show restraints (thru arabs, thru iran, thru usa) only so they can tweak the weaknesses found and bolster that.

the enemy learned that the brahmos missile did wonders for them as it penetrated and hit our cities. Next time they will use those and also try to target our seaport and karachi as thats our economic engine and trade route. They are emboldened by the brahmos capability. Not to forget, Russia will always assist them as they're still licking the wounds from the USSR breakup and they haven't forgotten what we did to them in afghanistan. The Quran is very clear: none of them are our friends. Anyone pretending to be a buddy is only in it for financial interests.
The world economy and developed west has stagnated to full. Now the zionists and global elites will trigger wars and destruction(in the name of population reduction) so like it or not, war will come now n it will be devastating.
Pakistan has to accept why it came into existence which is to counter the extremist india and also to aid the 2nd coming of Prophet Isa AS and Imam Mahdi in the end times. Its now upto our people to accept this and be ready. :ife is no longer about chilling and enjoying 80-odd yrs on this earth......that time has passed.
You only guarantee peace when your enemy is deadscared from your destructive capacity.......which india has not experienced yet. The restraints shown have only emboldened them for the next round.

 

[PK781]

Next time hit financial targets in Mumbai. Lit them up.

do that in their whole country, not just 1 city.

 

[Oscar]

A mix of CM802 and CM 400AKG by JF17s and AM39 Exocets by Mirages can really confuse the Indian navy air defenses. Plus if the ships are close to Pakistan waters then Zarb( C602) can come to party as well. Key lies in active monitoring and locating of the aggressive Indian naval assets.

Am39s are finished from the Mirage platform.

SM-39 stock with Agosta is long in the tooth as well

 

[Hakwa Nadro]

Yes, we will do whatever is possible within our capacity. But the issue here is, IN is superior to PN by a lot. We need PN numbers soon and PN needs more VLS system on urgent basis also, to create a larger long range missile and AD force. We also need to acquire supersonic to hypersonic weapons very quickly. In other words, the PN needs upgradation this year and massive.

We don't target economic activity where civilians are. That's not how PA operates. No civilian casualties. There is a religious aspect to it also.

While the highlighted part is not false at all but it doesn't mean we go into all is doom and gloom. IIRC not a few years ago the IAF had the same status vis PAF. I am not trying to underestimate our enemy, they do have a very impressive lineup of military hardware indeed, on land, in the air and both on and under the sea. But on a closure look their impressive lineup is individually assembled with a hodgepodge of local and international parts and equipment and the supplier countries being as diverse as Finland, UK, France, Italy, Germany, Israel, Russia and the USA to name a few. While it looks very impressive on paper this very strength of the Indian Military has become its weakness against Pakistan and also China and should be exploited to the max when dealing with them. As for targeting economic activity, we could always give them a warning before hand (and when successful in this endeavor use the tactic for psychological warfare). Right now Pak Military should also invest heavily in drones / uav /ucav / usv / uuv/ ugv warfare. Investing in unmanned vehicles could somewhat negate india's quantity edge. Unmanned systems should be extensively optimized for EW. IMO building unmanned systems should be easier, faster and cheaper and it would be better if we got it off the self from China and Turkiye as our need is immediate. But in the real sense of the matter our military brass, especially our Airforce knows better and have a better understanding of our threat from our enemies and a real understanding of their current and future capabilities and in this sense IA our Navy won't let us down and pull off a better drumming of IN then our PAF did to IAF.

 

[gamaji]

Indian navy is not only bigger but has more ships with higher number of displacement. They also have more weapons installed in them. PN modernization started recently. Also IN outmaches PN with way higher number of assets then IAF vs PAF

Yeah, bigger and heavier ducks found it safer to stay on their own shores. Cowards.

 

[gamaji]

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Ah, so this is the link you could come up with? BTW, would have been better if you had it in up till the feet.

 

[NA71]

If there was one big learning moment for Pakistan, it was the use of BrahMos by our enemy. We need to learn and develop counter capabilities. Cost effective doesn't mean that you stop developing high performance missile capabilities. Both go hand in hand.

Make no mistake. The enemy will use these weapons again and we better be prepared.

BrahMos is now their prime weapon and they are openly saying that the next round will see heavy usage of this system against Pakistan.

Both soft kill or hard has little success rate. It is our major concern since BrahMos was inducted.

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[RajaBaja]

BrahMos is now their prime weapon and they are openly saying that the next round will see heavy usage of this system against Pakistan.

Both soft kill or hard has little success rate. It is our major concern since BrahMos was inducted.

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Yes. Next war will be Brahmos + Drones + S-400's + Navy firing Brahmos or other missiles. All this will be done at stand off ranges. The math the Indians did is very simple. 1 lost Rafale costs $ 200+ million dollars plus global embarrassment. So keep them away. For 1 Rafale, you could get 100 Brahmos, with 25%+ target hit rate and no embarrassment.

We just need to plan it correctly, upgrade the Navy on urgent basis, put a 3 layered AD in place similar to theirs and acquire more J-10C's. J-35 is existed, would come in real handy. But it's guess work right now.

 

[NA71]

We just need to plan it correctly, upgrade the Navy on urgent basis, put a 3 layered AD in place similar to theirs and acquire more J-10C's. J-35 is existed, would come in real handy. But it's guess work right now.

Again, as I mentioned before, AD against supersonic and hypersonic system can not be 100% efficient (Ref. Iran Israel conflict 2025).

More focus on offensive capabilities.

 

[RajaBaja]

Again, as I mentioned before, AD against supersonic and hypersonic system can not be 100% efficient (Ref. Iran Israel conflict 2025).

More focus on offensive capabilities.

That is correct. Pakistan needs supersonic hi-machs or hypersonic standard attack missile for all it's 3 services. Subsonic cruise missiles have become a thing of the past in my opinion due to advancement in ADS.

Turkey and a couple of other nations built a modular VLS system for fast attack corvettes and OPV ships. You can install or bolt it on to existing platforms and in a short period, you gain 24-32 VLS capability. That's something Pakistan needs to deploy on as many ships as possible.