Pakistan Rocket Force Command News and Discussions

[AeroTech]

Conventional version/designation not unveiled yet. The above system are clearly marked for the conventional rocket force.

Question is, what's the point of a rocket force when you have the exact same industrial base/resources and are churning out missiles at the same pathetic annual rate?

Our entire doctrine basically has been that we can't make nearly enough so the ones we do make better be nuclear to offset the poor conventional numbers. What's your take on this?

 

[Yasser76]

The guy tries to look professional. If his flags are correct then we can wait till he is in-line.

Yeah, this will play out quickly.....

 

[TallGuy]

I let this idea sink in and it was even more bullcrap.

Everybody (specially Indians) already knows that SPD oversees both nuke and conventional missiles.

Up until the recent conflict, once you mobilized launchers for shaheen and babur, enemy would be guessing that is it nuclear or conventional. That would give you an advantage bcz the enemy hesitated a bit. Now, once every damn thing is a Fatah-xyz, and the ememy is sure that it's only conventional, you only give them more confidence. Bcz conventional ones are vintage and lack accuracy/firepower.

Lastly, thanks for conceding on my main point i.e. it's just damn rebranding of old garbage. New corps, new generals, new bureaucracy, new perks/benefits. Maujan hi maujan.

Indians were using SCALP ER and GL-SSCM "Brahmos" and we could use our arsnal

Why were we not using Raad 1 & II ALCM, why did we not use BABAR GL-LACM, Why did we Did we not use Abdali 1 SRBM (180km) Why did we not use Ghaznavi SRBM (300km), why did we not use Shaheen 1A SRBM (700km)

Think without hate - they are already using and attacking - what did we had? if "GUESSING" was an advantage we should/would have use our weapons.

understand we inducted all the system with Fabled "DUEL USE" Conventional/Nuclear label as deterrence. unfortunately the label/duel use turned our weapons to dead weight in conventional conflict since we could not use them as Indian was not using either.

What india used was declared conventional weapons. we did not had declared conventional weapons to use.

 

[HRK]

Ok need to understand that.

- Though the idea look similar to Chinese Rocket Force, but I believe Pakistan's main learning for a SEPERATE Command for Conventional Rockets come from Pakistan's own SPD which is also a seperrate command.

- If this guess work is true then it mean it will be under the command of Lieutenant General will have its
1- Own organizational structure similar to SPD
2- War Doctrine
3- War objectives
4- And control mechanism of all the conventional rocket systems of FATAH family.

- It's role and employment will not be similar to the conventional Artillery units of Pak Army but to inflict heavy punishment to India by Targeting Counter Value Targets.

- This mean Pakistan has adopted strategy of targeting "counter value targets in the early stage of war" to degrade the "capability and will of the enemy" to prolong the war

- This also mean Pakistan has strategy to fight "short, swift, yet decisive retaliationary war" against Indian Doctrines of Proactive Operations and Limited war.

- As It will deliver evils & horrors of war right into the High Value Targets situated in the population centers of India.
Therefore Imposed war will not remain limited in term of geography and it's objectives.

- To some extent It will address the instabilities that exists below the strategic level between India and Pakistan as per the "Stability-Instability Paradox Theory"

- It will also force India to rethink it's Proactive and Limited War Doctrines

 

[HRK]

Will it be under army? why it is a new arm then!

Yes under the Army not new but think it as elevated force structure due to changed needs and slight shift in doctrine

 

[aati]

@PANZER

What sort of silly statement is this - are you COAS Personal assistant??

No dear later came to my sense it will be under PA.

 

[Michael]

Ok need to understand that.

- Though the idea look similar to Chinese Rocket Force, but I believe Pakistan's main learning for a SEPERATE Command for Conventional Rockets come from Pakistan's own SPD which is also a seperrate command.

- If this guess work is true then it mean it will be under the command of Lieutenant General will have its
1- Own organizational structure similar to SPD
2- War Doctrine
3- War objectives
4- And control mechanism of all the conventional rocket systems of FATAH family.

- It's role and employment will not be similar to the conventional Artillery units of Pak Army but to inflict heavy punishment to India by Targeting Counter Value Targets.

- This mean Pakistan has adopted strategy of targeting "counter value targets in the early stage of war" to degrade the "capability and will of the enemy" to prolong the war

- This also mean Pakistan has strategy to fight "short, swift, yet decisive retaliationary war" against Indian Doctrines of Proactive Operations and Limited war.

- As It will deliver evils & horrors of war right into the High Value Targets situated in the population centers of India.
Therefore Imposed war will not remain limited in term of geography and it's objectives.

- To some extent It will address the instabilities that exists below the strategic level between India and Pakistan as per the "Stability-Instability Paradox Theory"

- It will also force India to rethink it's Proactive and Limited War Doctrines

Some references of the PLA on tactical strikes.

In the PLA's tactical mission division, strike missions within a 1,000km radius are handled by the PLAGF. Certain specialized strike missions require assistance from the PLARF. Examples include anti-runway strikes, strikes against hardened targets, and strikes against underground engineering structures. Some missions are carried out jointly by the Navy and the Air Force.

PLAGF Group Army Direct Artillery Brigade:
Strike missions at ranges over 70 km and involving large-scale fire coverage.
155MM howitzers and various long-range rocket launchers, as well as short-range box-type tactical missiles, etc.
The scale of firepower reaches the campaign level.

Each combined-arms brigade has an artillery battalion under its command. Each combined-arms battalion also has an artillery company under its command, ultimately forming firepower coverage at all levels.

If the PRF is a conventional strike force, then its strike capability is only comparable to that of the PLAGF's artillery brigades.
What's the point of designating it as a separate branch of the military?

 

[aati]

How much range we are talking about here, till now 700km? Will it increase to cover all of India like SPD or just inflict enough damage to dissuade India from going further.

 

[NA71]

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[Yasser76]

Really disappointed that 8 pages in no one has put the Youtube clip of Elton's Rocket Man on here..... that was an easy win....

 

[safriz]

So fully replicating PLA Rocket force model, that's strange. We don't have as much resources as China, nevertheless a welcome addition.
But it should better be modelled same as PLA ROCKET FORCE, not something under PA only.

I remember Soviets had a similar rocket force. I used to work with retired personnel from that unit

 

[NA71]

Now what is this .....drone or what

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[falcon34]

Now what is this .....drone or what

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Long range subsonic stealth cruise missile.
Al Murtajiz means punisher or the one that strikes terror so it's most probably a missile, longer ranged successor of Al rasoob kinda.

 

[RajaBaja]

It also has to do more with the way SPD handled the Fatah launches and perhaps (the lack of) proper guidance equipment to ensure good hits. Those launches were reluctant and perhaps not as accurate and destructive. Nuclear weapons are launched not in droves and w/o much regard to accuracy, may be such was the SPD philosophy. New force would have all the bells and whistles to 'deliver warheads on foreheads'. With Indians already spinning up their Brahmos, it is was a necessity to establish this command...

Operating Fatah rockets by plugging in GPS coordinates isn't rocket science. The people who fired these missiles were trained for it.

The creation of a rocket force is also a MESSAGE indeed. It's a message that Pakistan conventionally has the military might to deal with India now. So a "Rocket force" structure is created separately for independent planning, acquiring and maintaining local built missiles for its responsibilities. A kill chain system of conventional deterrence is being created that will be auto-invoked and put to work when need be. Remember, we are using Chinese systems and have borrowed from Chinese strategic thinking also. PLA has a massive independent Rocket Force division.

Rocket Force: Conventional deterrence. Focused on local capability already built, and ongoing additions to "Fatah" systems (not 5 under development)

SPD / Strategic Forces Command: Nuclear deterrence only with strategic assets like Ghauris, Shaheen's, Ababeels and some Abdalis and Babur's, etc.

 

[imadul]

Closer integration with PLA Joint Operations Command Center (JOCC).
PA officers are embedded with PLA JOCC for a long time per Prawin Sawhney.

Close integration with PLA doctrine and access to PLA EW, Detection, navigation, BEIDOU BDS for precision land and land to sea attacks.

Land based conventional and non-conventional missile under one integrated command for deterrence and offensive punishment, and close integration with PAF, PN, nuclear triad.
SPD can easily work with new PARF.

To achieve Anti-Access/Area Denial (A2/AD).

Multi-Domain Precision Warfare (MDPW) capabilities alongside PLA, and development at formal level for PA.

It is a strategic move by PA.