Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Jalz]

Ali Larijani used to be a hardliner. He was the head of the IRIB. The IRIB as the propaganda machine of the system is an organization that is not offered to just anybody. He's one of the most trusted people in Khamenei's circle. Sure, he's a reformist now, but he has close ties with Khamenei and his family. His brother used to be the Head of the Tehran University of Medical Sciences. His other brother was the head of the judiciary system. His other brother is the top-strategist of the system on the level of people like Velayati and he founded the Institute for Research in Fundamental Sciences, a key school in theoretical physics and mathematics in Iran. So, it's way more complicated than what you think.

The subsidy system is in place for the people in the system to steal our wealth. We're smuggling fuel to neighboring countries. One liter of gasoline in Iran is about 2-3 cents. In most of our neighboring countries, it's well above $1 per liter, or sometimes even $1.5 per liter. Tens of millions of liters of fuel are smuggled monthly. Who do you think can do that without getting arrested? Obviously, normal citizens cannot be behind this scale of smuggling.

They hated Ahmadinejad because he wanted to stop this free wealth-generating system for these people.

No the subsidy system is in place for industrialists. They dont have an incentive to invest into newer machines because they are energy effecient. When Natural gas and fuel cost nothing what incentive do factory owners have to modernize? Politicians are too retarded or scaried to implement subsidy reform.

 

[FUB]

I really wonder why you think posting about the bible and Israel's plans to conquer its neighbours is relevant to Iran

Hmm.... Critical thinking tic-toc tic-toc
Oh yeah, because Iran is the only country that is standing in the way of that tiny country, and Iran is challenging that tiny country.
I wonder why you put your thumb on the scale. Anyone can go back to look at your timeline.

 

[ShapurII]

No the subsidy system is in place for industrialists. They dont have an incentive to invest into newer machines because they are energy effecient. When Natural gas and fuel cost nothing what incentive do factory owners have to modernize? Politicians are too retarded or scaried to implement subsidy reform.

Name one 98%-profit industry

 

[FUB]

Arab governments care less about Israel wanting to annex their territory than you do. Just be concerned about the level of Israeli control in the United States and leave the arabs to defend themselves

I do not care about Arab governments. I quoted the bible because these genocidal maniacs are quoting their made-up Talmud and claiming that they have the right to all the land. After all, god gave them that right. I posted the clip of a homosexual senator talking about the bible and saying that Christians must allow the cabal to murder women and children. The actual gospel calls them out for what they are. It has everything to do with Iran. If they can, then Tehran would like Gaza.

 

[Jalz]

Name one 98%-profit industry

you dont need profit. You cut subsidies and direct most of it to industrialists to modernize their factories. Then you give the rest to the general population to help them deal with potential price hikes.

 

[Liquidator]

I really wonder why you think posting about the bible and Israel's plans to conquer its neighbours is relevant to Iran

Motive is important to discuss. Not rocket science is it?

Anyway.....get your rockets ready.

 

[PakAl]

How can you have demands when you are losing? It makes no sense.
It's pretty much like what Zelensky thinks he could achieve.

You want to make demands? You'd better be able to impose your conditions, otherwise you'll have to concede.

I understand but then Iran will end up like Syria Iraq and Libya, just before Nato invasion of Iraq the UN inspectors were in Iraq destroying all long range missiles etc, the same with Libya where Gaddafi left the nuke program, Syria was sanctioned and isolated just like Iran but propaganda was always there that Syria has chemical weapons and during Iraqi war, western experts claimed Iraq transfered chemical weapons to Syria (all propaganda).

So Iran is trapped, they cannot ignore UN inspection and deal because otherwise they may get attacked again, plus the military and economic sanctions are harming Iran. If Iran does negotiate, allow UN inspectors, get rid of nuclear energy, this will take away Iran freedom for nuclear energy.

Another issue is if Iran does not plan to build nukes then why take the country to war over peaceful nuclear energy, why allow country to be under sanctions which cost them trillion of damages when they have no plans to build nukes.

I personally think it's all propaganda, Libya, Syria, Yemen had no nukes or nuclear energy plans but under different excuses were destroyed. Usa Israel doesn't care about nuclear energy use but only using it as a propaganda to harm Iran, if Iran does the deal, they will soon demand destruction of long range missiles and so on.

 

[PakAl]

You guys still don't realize that whites don't want peace with us? It's not a matter of us wanting anything. They will subjugate Iran or destroy it, they only respect and make deals with what they can't destroy. You can't negotiate your way out of the situation we've been put in.

This is the reality unfortunately. Muslims don't learn from the history, look what they did to Saddam, Assad, Gaddafi, and many other Muslims states. The west want pro western government, but still this will not satisfy them until you become a puppet, and loose all your independence. So instead of direct occupation they want indirect occupation, you can run your country however you like but your economy, finance, military will be controlled by outsiders. Looking at Syria and Bashar Al Assad, he was a secular nationalist leader, his government was secular nationalist, it wasn't some extremist religious government but they never accepted him because he wasn't a puppet, now they have Yazeed in power and they love him.

 

[kastor ville]

And when Israel bombs Iran's industrial infrastructure and we are unable to defend against attacks due to having no air defense is this what you are going to tell Iranians who longer can buy new cars or afford food because fertilizer facilities were destroyed?

They won't do shit without approval of the US, and Trump doesn't want the price of oil shooting up with the drag that tarrifs have put on the US economy.

 

[kastor ville]

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here we go again with the hubris that can age like milk

I already like what Larijani is doing...he flew to Iraq, and Lebanon, he's sending a message that we're still here! Next stop is Pakistan.

 

[Jalz]

They won't do shit without approval of the US, and Trump doesn't want the price of oil shooting up with the drag that tarrifs have put on the US economy.

They bombed Iran already and oil prices didn't factor into Trump's calculus.

 

[ShapurII]

They won't do shit without approval of the US, and Trump doesn't want the price of oil shooting up with the drag that tarrifs have put on the US economy.

Iran is no longer a major player in the oil market and the demand/supply ratio for oil is not as high as it used to be in the first decade of the millennium.

 

[Jalz]

Iran is no longer a major player in the oil market and the demand/supply ratio for oil is not as high as it used to be in the first decade of the millennium.

He meant oil prices rising because people are worried the war might spill over into the persian gulf

 

[ShapurII]

He meant oil prices rising because people are worried the war might spill over into the persian gulf

Oil prices jumped by $2-3 last time. Nobody takes Iran serious when it says that it's going to shut the Strait of Hormuz, or attack Arab oil installations.

When you overuse a threat and never deliver, markets stop responding to it.

 

[kastor ville]

He meant oil prices rising because people are worried the war might spill over into the persian gulf

Yes, in the way that Iran will play hardball and close down the strait. It's really the only weapon Iran has at this moment......it's nothing trivial, it's pretty daunting if they ever make that decision. This the only thing that would worry the US and Trump, the oil spike could send most of the world into a recession. Trump is already on thin ice when it comes to the economy, the tariffs haven't shown up yet in the reports, well, the whole sale price index that came out 2 days ago, showed a higher price than they were expecting, but I suspect, there is a bigger print in the mail, combine that with a spike in energy prices...and that could push the economy over the cliff.

PS: when you're up against the one of the world's superpowers, you should never pick a direct fight....it's useless, and costly for the little guy. You have to fight in creative ways.