Pakistan Rocket Force Command News and Discussions

[Yasser76]

I'd really appreciate if your lecturing is also directed towards the 'respected' members who instigated me at the first place.

'All you are is a new ID'.
This is the sort of thinking the degrades the quality on these forums. You judge arguments based on how old the member is. That is the reason some of the most 'seasoned' members on this forum are the ones with the most ridiculous takes. They're only senior bcz they kept on posting useless garbage for years, not bcz of value addition or time spent in the defence industry. Offcourse not all members are the same.

Now, a bit about my 'seniority'. I originally joined this forum more than 11 years ago in 2014 with the username Alpha BeeTee. Spent years here but lost interest bcz I got sick and tired of the useless speculation and fanboyism related to our missile program. I was working inside the industry and to me, this forum became a lala land for teenage enthusiasts. The original account got lost when there was a mess up with the original defence.pk forum 2-3 years ago.

I was never going to return to this forum but bcz don't know why I started visiting again after the recent conflict b/w Ind vs Pak.

The sheer misinformation about our missile program, the tall claims, all that bakwaas was too much to handle for me and I ended up created this account in desparation to shoot down ridiculous claims about our program's supposed grandeous and capabilities. I know this is a futile exercise and my effort is a temporary run. I've already run out of gas and hardly visit the forum. I just cant tolerate uninformed individuals peddling as gurus/experts
and spilling all sorts of non sense about the missile program. Nobody inside the industry is a 'know-it-all' but I certainly know alot more that most conspiracy theorists here who get aggressive when I poke holes in their stupid claims about our capabilities.

So yeah, you should have some context before you wish to teach mannerisms to 'new-IDs' on this forum. Lastly, your first sentence is also an attempted insult, don't be self contradictory and apply your standards to yourself first.

Not reading all that but I am either really happy for you r sorry that happened.

 

[Musings]

Stick to the topic guys

 

[Yasser76]

@Yasser76 You and your little gang of jerks really need to stop doing this shit. Y'all gang up on someone with slight conflicting behavior and "new account" and think you're doing something very noble. Then they call you at, you pull your victim card of "DoN't TalK tO ReSpEcTfUl MeMbERS liKE thAT"

You did this BS with me and many other new members and now AeroTech.

Just because some has new account doesn't mean they're new to this forum and someone have that "Senior Member" Tag doesn't mean they're actually contributing some productive to forum.

Easy, wind your neck in mate. If you look at the chaps behaviour he kicked off the moment he joined and implied he was some high up insider and we are all simpletons. That is fine by me, it is an anonymous internet forum, we can all be whoever we want to be on here, but when people started to disagree he got personal straight away, which, incidentally, so have you by calling me a jerk when I have not even said anything to you.

I will let everyone reading to make up their own minds about what kind of people he is and you are now.

Cheers

 

[AeroTech]

Not reading all that but I am either really happy for you r sorry that happened.

Easy, wind your neck in mate. If you look at the chaps behaviour he kicked off the moment he joined and implied he was some high up insider and we are all simpletons. That is fine by me, it is an anonymous internet forum, we can all be whoever we want to be on here, but when people started to disagree he got personal straight away, which, incidentally, so have you by calling me a jerk when I have not even said anything to you.

I will let everyone reading to make up their own minds about what kind of people he is and you are now.

Cheers

@Mods.

I think there's a fair case to expel or limit the members who have nothing of value to add on a given topic and just stay here to run their mouths.

It would be really hard to skim through the useless garbage and look for posts of actual value or info.

 

[RajaBaja]

The holy 'Difai Idaaray' are supreme and cant supposedly do magnanimous F-ups that jeoperdize our national security. They just dont realize what we escaped in the recent conflict and what a week long war would've meant for our defence ecosystem. All India needs is a two-weeks space to fight a conventional war and that would be software update for all our enthusiasts. God forbid this.


There's no space for truth and the house of cards must keep on standing.

No one here says we didn't have holes. Even the US has holes in it's tactics. But you build a strategy by plugging in holes with strength.

Even if your "non disclosure" was signed last year, it's useless now due to rapid change in 2025.

I don't know how old are your dealings with the "difai idaaray". But I can tell you this much with 100% certainty. Today's military is 1000% different than May.

Our mindset from years ago was made like "We don't have Petrol for our tanks" and our guns won't work when we'll see Hindutva devs flying around in millions because they are so many. Well, all that went out of the window pretty damn fast with moral sky high.

Pakistan is now working on bigger goals and power status. South Asia doesn't have ONE, but TWO powers. India and Pakistan! And we hold MANY keys for the world during conflicts. We are the ONLY nation with good trading terms with all major powers. That's a fact.

From May onwards, India will be dealt with conventionally first. That's a set stone. Military's growth by inducting a new "Rocket Force" is screaming this expansion. If 3 years can pass without a long term war, or national or international disaster damaging world trade, 2028 economic re-balancing will increase the economy to $ 600-700 billions and defense budget to $ 15-20 billion. That's needed towards a regional power goal.

 

[Musings]

Last warning - topic or get ready for a ban

 

[mythbuster]

It's probably a good thing that people like us are bound by non disclosure agreements and have a Divine obligation to never spill the beans bcz the truth would make most of the fanboys vommit. You poke a tiny bit of hole in their narrative of our grandeous and they start accusing you of being Indian, or an attention seeker, or a liar.
Most of these are university kids or retired uncs from non-defence industries. They dont have an iota of how inept the system is.

The holy 'Difai Idaaray' are supreme and cant supposedly do magnanimous F-ups that jeoperdize our national security. They just dont realize what we escaped in the recent conflict and what a week long war would've meant for our defence ecosystem. All India needs is a two-weeks space to fight a conventional war and that would be software update for all our enthusiasts. God forbid this.


There's no space for truth and the house of cards must keep on standing.

While agreeing with the gist of your posts about our ' not so latent inefficiencies ' you come across as someone who's nursing some personal grudges ( that's if we accept your claim you have been involved in our missile program ) ..... your assertion about the consequences of a drawn out conventional battle with India is not an earth shattering revelation , everyone with few working neurones knows that.....it all boils down to resources not our technical skills or planning inefficiencies......our missile program is not as advanced as we wish it to be but at the same time it's not as bad you portray it to be.....too much negativity is not helpful , balanced and intelligent criticism is always welcomed .....no hard feelings , have a nice weekend.

 

[AeroTech]

While agreeing with the gist of your posts about our ' not so latent inefficiencies ' you come across as someone who's nursing some personal grudges ( that's if we accept your claim you have been involved in our missile program ) ..... your assertion about the consequences of a drawn out conventional battle with India is not an earth shattering revelation , everyone with few working neurones knows that.....it all boils down to resources not our technical skills or planning inefficiencies......our missile program is not as advanced as we wish it to be but at the same time it's not as bad you portray it to be.....too much negativity is not helpful , balanced and intelligent criticism is always welcomed .....no hard feelings , have a nice weekend.

I sounded frustated not bcz of personal grudges but bcz of the level of hallucinations being peddeled as our 'hidden defence capabilities'.

And when you try just a bit to move people closer a notch to reality, you get aggressive reactions.

From my pov, we need a stark reality check that forces us into course correction. Offcourse that wont happen on a defence forum.

Also, I'm not trying to bring 'revelations' here. Just working in a certain defence industry doesnt make me special bcz hundreds of others who work with me would have the same info and would have the same knee jerk reactions to ridiculous tall claims.

Also, I have little doubts that the adversary has a very real picture of our capabilities bcz it's not rocket science. Our defence sites, missile production sites, their numbers, locations, annual production rates, inventories, budgets, etc are quite well known. Bcz that's the enemy's job and not a very difficult one in our case. So no one lives in delusions except our defence ethusiasts.

The best thing would have been to privatize your missile production and not hide every single thing bcz it's somehow 'strategic'. This would have removed gross inefficiencies, introduced transparency, and made our progress for everyone to see. Bottom line is that mass production is a matter of survival now considering future wars. For that you need huge money, manpower, resources, and a powerful industrial base. And right now, we're still not moving in the right direction. Rather what's happening is a new facelift for same rotten system.

 

[Abid123]

The Pakistani establishment could recover the stolen $15 billion from Nawaz Sharif family and another $15 billion from Zardari family, hold them accountable, and permanently remove them from politics. Instead of recycling failed leadership, it could pave the way for two new political parties under a controlled framework….something resembling a soft martial law setup, but with fresh faces and national interest at the core

Surely has to be a lot more than 30 billion USD they have stolen.

 

[TopGun786]

I'd really appreciate if your lecturing is also directed towards the 'respected' members who instigated me at the first place.

'All you are is a new ID'.
This is the sort of thinking the degrades the quality on these forums. You judge arguments based on how old the member is. That is the reason some of the most 'seasoned' members on this forum are the ones with the most ridiculous takes. They're only senior bcz they kept on posting useless garbage for years, not bcz of value addition or time spent in the defence industry. Offcourse not all members are the same.

Now, a bit about my 'seniority'. I originally joined this forum more than 11 years ago in 2014 with the username Alpha BeeTee. Spent years here but lost interest bcz I got sick and tired of the useless speculation and fanboyism related to our missile program. I was working inside the industry and to me, this forum became a lala land for teenage enthusiasts. The original account got lost when there was a mess up with the original defence.pk forum 2-3 years ago.

I was never going to return to this forum but bcz don't know why I started visiting again after the recent conflict b/w Ind vs Pak.

The sheer misinformation about our missile program, the tall claims, all that bakwaas was too much to handle for me and I ended up created this account in desparation to shoot down ridiculous claims about our program's supposed grandeous and capabilities. I know this is a futile exercise and my effort is a temporary run. I've already run out of gas and hardly visit the forum. I just cant tolerate uninformed individuals peddling as gurus/experts
and spilling all sorts of non sense about the missile program. Nobody inside the industry is a 'know-it-all' but I certainly know alot more that most conspiracy theorists here who get aggressive when I poke holes in their stupid claims about our capabilities.

So yeah, you should have some context before you wish to teach mannerisms to 'new-IDs' on this forum. Lastly, your first sentence is also an attempted insult, don't be self contradictory and apply your standards to yourself first.

Without reading your long paragraph i must say that first you must learn how to respect others. It was your arrogant comments that put you in trouble. You started fist fighting with everyone right from the beginning mi have no personal issues with you.

 

[Oscar]

It's probably a good thing that people like us are bound by non disclosure agreements and have a Divine obligation to never spill the beans bcz the truth would make most of the fanboys vommit. You poke a tiny bit of hole in their narrative of our grandeous and they start accusing you of being Indian, or an attention seeker, or a liar.
Most of these are university kids or retired uncs from non-defence industries. They dont have an iota of how inept the system is.

The holy 'Difai Idaaray' are supreme and cant supposedly do magnanimous F-ups that jeoperdize our national security. They just dont realize what we escaped in the recent conflict and what a week long war would've meant for our defence ecosystem. All India needs is a two-weeks space to fight a conventional war and that would be software update for all our enthusiasts. God forbid this.


There's no space for truth and the house of cards must keep on standing.

All I say on the subject is that there is a thin veneer of competence in every idary - and like a thing shopping bag holding trash together it is barely enough to keep it from bursting.

 

[r3alist]

Bottom line is that mass production is a matter of survival now considering future wars. For that you need huge money, manpower, resources, and a powerful industrial base. And right now, we're still not moving in the right direction. Rather what's happening is a new facelift for same rotten system

But this can't be news to anyone, isn't there a distinction between capability, and the capability to indigenously create capability?

The latter will always be the rational option in Pakistan's geopolitical context.

The former is the aim, but is it not the military is job to work with in the constraints of what they have

This again cannot be news

All I say on the subject is that there is a thin veneer of competence in every idary - and like a thing shopping bag holding trash together it is barely enough to keep it from bursting.

This slightly depressed me, reading this

 

[White Privilege]

FATAH-I, FATAH-II & FATAH-IV in a single frame
View attachment 141005

where is F3 ??

 

[Oscar]

. All India needs is a two-weeks space to fight a conventional war and that would be software update for all our enthusiasts. God forbid this.

The saving grace for Pakistan is India’s own incompetence. They solve even 50% of it and there will be MKis flying over Islamabad and taking pot shots here and there while these Jarnail make veiled threats of “Do not dare cross this line or we will launch that!”

 

[Scorpio]

where is F3 ??

Some secrets should remains .. until they become surprise ....