Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion

[Mohid Afzal]

Some new stuff .. any idea what that .... Look some advance generation

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I hope we get a better pic of this so that we know what it is along side the specs, but from the looks, it seems to be a very stealthy cruise missile

 

[Scorpio]

Pakistan Army’s FATAH-I Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System spotted for the first time in close-up during the Independence Day celebrations.

 

[RealNapster]

Don't be too sure. Pakistan's current birthrate is 3 which is good and sustainable. However it was 6 some 25 years ago. So it has halfed since 2000. If it halfs again in 25 years time it means that by 2050, Pakistan would have a birthrate of 1.5. A birthrate of 1.5 means your population is in decline and your race may be facing a demographic crisis like the white english are in the UK. Their birthrate is currently 1.4/1.5. Population growth is no longer a problem in Pakistan. In order to sustain your population, you need a birthrate of 2.1.

Pakistans total fertility rate is 3.6 now, less than 6 in 1990. But do you think reduction of just 2.4 in 35 years is an excellent job ? Our population growth rate is a time bomb and it have huge implications.

1. Pakistan economy grew from $250 billion to $411 billion. Still our per Capita is stuck at 1700-1800 why ? Because increase in population is more fast than increase in economy.

2. Pakistan is facing extreme water scarcity. We had more water and less people in say 1970s. Today we have less water and more people. Just do the calculation how less per Capita water everyone is getting. Provinces will actively start serious fights over water in 3-4 years. Just wait.

What we needed was a TFR of 2.2 in 2010 and maintained since then. But we can't even hope for a 2.2 TFR in 2035.

By 2050 we are going to be the third most populous country. And do you know what will be our TFR by then ? Still a fcuking 2.5. so please spare us this bullshit.

Pakistan projected to become third most populous country by 2050 | The Express Tribune

Country's fertility rate dropped from six live births per woman in 1994 to 3.6 in 2024, according to a UN report

tribune.com.pk

 

[Bilal]

Pakistans total fertility rate is 3.6 now, less than 6 in 1990. But do you think reduction of just 2.4 in 35 years is an excellent job ? Our population growth rate is a time bomb and it have huge implications.

1. Pakistan economy grew from $250 billion to $411 billion. Still our per Capita is stuck at 1700-1800 why ? Because increase in population is more fast than increase in economy.

2. Pakistan is facing extreme water scarcity. We had more water and less people in say 1970s. Today we have less water and more people. Just do the calculation how less per Capita water everyone is getting. Provinces will actively start serious fights over water in 3-4 years. Just wait.

What we needed was a TFR of 2.2 in 2010 and maintained since then. But we can't even hope for a 2.2 TFR in 2035.

By 2050 we are going to be the third most populous country. And do you know what will be our TFR by then ? Still a fcuking 2.5. so please spare us this bullshit.

Pakistan projected to become third most populous country by 2050 | The Express Tribune

Country's fertility rate dropped from six live births per woman in 1994 to 3.6 in 2024, according to a UN report

tribune.com.pk

The world is going to see population decline and aging. We should not follow the policies of 60s. We need to maintain a fertility rate of around 3.

There will be ample opportunities rather need across the world for our people.

 

[Princeps]

Smash nose section. @HRK
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Would love to see a HD photo of this if someone took

 

[TopGun786]

Yeah, with cruise/supersonic missiles we may be falling into the trap of perfect being the enemy of good enough

Hypersonic is best no doubt, but even these can miss target and be intercepted (with greater difficulty obviously), but if we do not have mass we are screwed.

In a future war, as we have indicated, we may well "start East" and work our way slowly to the west of India. This is Gulf War 1 level stuff in terms of scale.

If not using fighters and artillery that far East you need to look at Indian assets and more importantly main air bases and HAS. 26 bases in Central and East India. Assume eaxch has on average 20 HAS, plus say radar and SAM installations. Approx we need 30 missiles per base. Now assume many get intercepted and some miss target, to take that into account we may need 50 missiles per base. so, 26 x 50 = 1,300 missiles just for Central and Eastern India. I have not ben started on Western India yet....

Yes you are right about quantity. We need much more than that. But economically we are far behind. First we must build our economy. Alas we have lost multiple decades of growth.

 

[RajaBaja]

Out of the 63 Kinzhals fired by Russia, over 25 were intercepted by Ukrainian air defense. The Kinzhal, is far more advanced and faster than any operational BrahMos variant, it was meant to be Russia’s “silver bullet.” Yet, as I’ve said before, such missiles come with their own drawbacks.

If there’s one lesson to take from missile strikes in the Ukrainian conflict, it’s that ballistic missiles tend to have a higher chance of hitting high-value targets (HVTs). Around 1,300 Iskanders were launched, with only a little over 60 intercepted — roughly a 4.3% interception rate.

On the other side, Ukraine effectively used HIMARS and ATACMS to destroy S-400s, S-300s, and multiple other HVTs deep inside Russian territory.

Therefore, Pakistan’s strategy of maintaining a separate line of conventional, non-strategic ballistic rockets , such as the Fatah-1 and Fatah-2 , is rooted in ground realities.

When did I say anything about Fatah system? You've twisted my post to make some point you still weren't able to. I don't think you even read my post properly, yet you responded by twisting my post.

Go through threads, I may have been one of the first few people who explained the concept of the Rocket Force and WHY it exists, and comparison to SPD and its tactics.

If you couldn't counter my points on tactics, you should've just left the post as is. The topic was the Rocket Force's strategy and tactics building. From Iran-Israel, India-Pakistan and Ukraine-Russia war, the Rocket Force's core responsibilities will be to create effective strike packages that can penetrate Indian layered AD's. That would mean, a combo of drones + rockets + cruise + high speed missiles down to even individual systems in volleys, every target will have a strike package of its own. Iran has thrown 30-50 to 300 drones + missiles in one go. Russians are using near 100 as a tactical attack number but for high value, they have used even 400 drones + cruise missiles + hypersonic missile. Every attack tactic is made by it's goals and Ukraine's AD involved.

Lastly, there is NO such thing as Iskander only getting 4.3% interception rate. That's a false number or quoted out of facts, out of full package details. The maximum hit ratio Russia could achieve through large packages is near 25-30%. That's the same I've quoted in so many of my analysis about the Brahmos.

If Russia was getting such a massive result, why would it waste billions of dollar on sending so many different platforms in hundreds? What 400 missiles and drones could do, since 25-30% hit, you could just use 20 Iskanders due to near 4% interception and get the job done. 20 Iskanders will cost much less than a 400 combo attack package and definitely take much less time to develop. Russia would then only be building Iskanders due to 95% success rate.

 

[RealNapster]

The world is going to see population decline and aging. We should not follow the policies of 60s. We need to maintain a fertility rate of around 3.

There will be ample opportunities rather need across the world for our people.

There are almost 10+ countries today with TFR less than replacement rate of 2.1. but how much human capital are we exporting to Japan, south Korea, china, Spain, etc ? Not even in some thousands.

Also, the world is not going to finance our national budget for 400+ million Pakistanis. We, from our own resource, are going to do it. But how will we when our per Capita is 1700 USD since 15 years now. ?

And even if the world start importing our human capital in bulk, how much Pakistanis you think we will be sending each year ? Say 3 million per year ? Still you will have to look out for remaining 300-400 million Pakistanis.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Pakistans total fertility rate is 3.6 now, less than 6 in 1990. But do you think reduction of just 2.4 in 35 years is an excellent job ? Our population growth rate is a time bomb and it have huge implications.

1. Pakistan economy grew from $250 billion to $411 billion. Still our per Capita is stuck at 1700-1800 why ? Because increase in population is more fast than increase in economy.

2. Pakistan is facing extreme water scarcity. We had more water and less people in say 1970s. Today we have less water and more people. Just do the calculation how less per Capita water everyone is getting. Provinces will actively start serious fights over water in 3-4 years. Just wait.

What we needed was a TFR of 2.2 in 2010 and maintained since then. But we can't even hope for a 2.2 TFR in 2035.

By 2050 we are going to be the third most populous country. And do you know what will be our TFR by then ? Still a fcuking 2.5. so please spare us this bullshit.

Pakistan projected to become third most populous country by 2050 | The Express Tribune

Country's fertility rate dropped from six live births per woman in 1994 to 3.6 in 2024, according to a UN report

tribune.com.pk

There are almost 10+ countries today with TFR less than replacement rate of 2.1. but how much human capital are we exporting to Japan, south Korea, china, Spain, etc ? Not even in some thousands.

Also, the world is not going to finance our national budget for 400+ Pakistanis. We, from our own resource, are going to do it. But how will we when our per Capita is 1700 USD since 15 years now. ?

And even if the world start importing our human capital in bulk, how much Pakistanis you think we will be sending each year ? Say 3 million per year ? Still you will have to look out for remaining 300-400 million Pakistanis.

Agreed. The best way around this is to start focusing on education and making Pakistan industrialised. We somehow need to make Pakistan's economic advancement based on being competent in scientific and technological advancements.

 

[RealNapster]

Agreed. The best way around this is to start focusing on education and making Pakistan industrialised. We somehow need to make Pakistan's economic advancement based on being competent in scientific and technological advancements.

People don't think about a fact, which is that we are adding 1 New Zealand every year into our population. You can not add 1 NZ and then hope you will export that resource to other countries as well. These things are not manageable at all in it's current form. We desperately need to stabilize population. Pakistan have not seen economic growth of 7% for 2 consecutive years since may e 1970s now. How can we suddenly hope for anything better now ? What have changed, that we can finally expect a 7% economic growth for next 10 consecutive years ?

 

[Bilal]

There are almost 10+ countries today with TFR less than replacement rate of 2.1. but how much human capital are we exporting to Japan, south Korea, china, Spain, etc ? Not even in some thousands.

Also, the world is not going to finance our national budget for 400+ million Pakistanis. We, from our own resource, are going to do it. But how will we when our per Capita is 1700 USD since 15 years now. ?

And even if the world start importing our human capital in bulk, how much Pakistanis you think we will be sending each year ? Say 3 million per year ? Still you will have to look out for remaining 300-400 million Pakistanis.

You we are sending an average of million plus people each year already. And things are about to get really bad in a lot of regions, specially the developed countries.

Plus, we on no way can afford an aging/declining population. You think growing population is bad? That would be a nightmare.

 

[RealNapster]

You we are sending an average of million plus people each year already. And things are about to get really bad in a lot of regions, specially the developed countries.

Plus, we on no way can afford an aging/declining population. You think growing population is bad? That would be a nightmare.

Sir indeed we are sending 1 million every year. But we are adding around 5 million every year. Our economy, education system, water reserves, health sector, job market etc still need to accommodate 4 million extra people every year. It's like giving everything (health, education, security, etc) to a full New Zealand every year. Can we really do that ?

Now if we start exporting 5+ million Pakistanis every year, that would be different. But is the world ready for 5+ million Pakistani immigrants every year ?

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Sir indeed we are sending 1 million every year. But we are adding around 5 million every year. Our economy, education system, water reserves, health sector, job market etc still need to accommodate 4 million extra people. It's like giving everything (health, education, security, etc) to a full New Zealand every year. Can we really do that ?

No we can't. I'm sure there's some sort of calculation that can be done taming into account Pakistans resources like fertile land, water, etc, to calculate what number percentage we could comfortably support while also having a good qualify of life.

 

[RealNapster]

No we can't. I'm sure there's some sort of calculation that can be done taming into account Pakistans resources like fertile land, water, etc, to calculate what number percentage we could comfortably support while also having a good qualify of life.

Bro there is going to be no more fertile land anymore. Thanks to housing societies and Pakistanis craze for large houses . In my childhood , the nearby village was 3 km away from our village and there were fields and no houses in-between. Today both these villages have already merged.

Housing societies, lack of rains, decreasing water table, and no dams have ensured nothing grows in 10 years.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Bro there is going to be no more fertile land anymore. Thanks to housing societies and Pakistanis craze for large houses . In my childhood , the nearby village was 3 km away from our village and there were fields and no houses in-between. Today both these villages have already merged.

Housing societies, lack of rains, decreasing water table, and no dams have ensured nothing grows in 10 years.

You're right. Serious fundamental issues in the way this country is being run. I've grown tired of repeating it but short term celebrations are used as distractions for the country diving head first into a very dangerous landslide.

Nothing looks good the way the future trajectory is. Resources and land poorly managed. Demographics will explode in more ways than one.

Maybe only Allah really can save this country