Jinnah Class Frigate | Updates & Discussion

In the age of long range anti-ship missiles, unless IN can secure air suprioritgy, these ships will be toast. If we can take out S-400s we can take these out
the barak 8 is a very capable air defence....my main concern with Indian ships has been their air defences...which are quite capable.....launching 2 to 3 harpoons wont cut it cuz we are against 32 interceptors and i am pretty sure the Indians would use two interceptors per missile if they want to insure safety....so the use of launching REKs and SDBs is a good bet.....Or maybe we can launch LW torpedos....
 
the barak 8 is a very capable air defence....my main concern with Indian ships has been their air defences...which are quite capable.....launching 2 to 3 harpoons wont cut it cuz we are against 32 interceptors and i am pretty sure the Indians would use two interceptors per missile if they want to insure safety....so the use of launching REKs and SDBs is a good bet.....Or maybe we can launch LW torpedos....

Oh my , another one popping up now....
 
MIG-29K threat is non existent. Carrier sailed for 3 days in may and sailed right back to home port.

If it gets past PN Sub, it will then have to stay 400km away due to PN coastal missiles

It will then have to generate attack sorties with MIGs flying top cover and also a CAP pair over the carrier 24/7. That intself will require 6 planes to be kept back for CAP. Remember they have no organic refuellers or AEW either

If 4-6 MIGs do manage to make it anywhere near Karachi they are massively outranged by AMRAAMS and PL-15S.

You will just end up with 6-0 over the Arabian Sea and possibly the loss of a carrier.

We can better that by inducting even longer range sea drones and costal anti ship missiles

A anti ship missile with a 700km to 1000 km range, just makes it impossible for Indian any other navy to operate in the Arabian sea without our permission
 
In the age of long range anti-ship missiles, unless IN can secure air suprioritgy, these ships will be toast. If we can take out S-400s we can take these out

That is more of a target then a offensive threat

We will launch multiple offense weapons and SOMETHING will get through and then indians will be stuck trying to cover up the loss of a ship or multiple ships
 
wouldn't something like rasoob or sarfrosh be more suitable for this..or maybe even taimoor?
20 of these and than u sneak in a few rasoobs and Taimoors. There's an Stealth SDB also in works with AI swarming capabilities
 
PNs (and Pakistans as a whole) biggest need is a more resilient and reliable. Air defense network. While HQ-9 AND reportedly HQ-9B performed reasonably well along with the more point defense style missiles and guns against India, this was the clear chink in the armor. And as weak as the aor defense over Pakistani airspace may be without fighters, the naval theater is far more dire an issue. I think any future attack may come from the sea given how poorly IAF performed as a whole and the fact that even the vaunted S400 performed poorly. So PN needs to be even more aggressively equipped for air defense than the rest given the current disparities.

First thing is that the best way to deal with hypersonic missile attack is long range, fire and forget, missiles backed by a plethora of medium ranged, fire/forget quick reaction missiles. In my estimation the available missiles to PN that fit that bill will be Siper block1 or block 2. Reportedly these should be able to intercept aircraft and missiles up to 100 - 150km respectively. Behind these should be medium ranged quick reaction missiles like CAMM-ER. Now PN needs to force the issue here because if they intend to continue these then it needs to make the supplier (Italy/Leonardo) find a way to enable PN to quad pack these. The clear answer would be Sylver and Mk-41 launchers which can already do so. But those arent available so PN needs to get these certified for MDAS. JCFs should come with MDAS from go (while 16 cells is insufficient in my eyes - should try for 32 cells) this can be somewhat mitigated if they are carrying quad packed missiles. 8 siper and 32 CAMM-ER (From total 16 cells). The baburs should also be upgraded to 8 cell MDAS (from 12 cell GWS.26). This will give them 32 medium ranged missiles, dramatically increasing survivability.

If Italy cant figure out a way to make it work or neither turk or Italy show a willingness to do so, the. PN should move on from CAMM-ER and replace it with G/M-1 (upgraded and quad packed variant of Hisar D/RF - 40KM range). G/M-1 is specifically designed to take on Hypersonic missiles with a new AESA radar seeker and a new guidance algorithm for better interception rates against supersonic anti-ship missiles.

Tughrails also need a better missile than HQ-16. HQ-16FE could fit the bill with addition of a dual mode (ARH/SARH) seeker and the 160km range. Sadly the number would still be limited by the lack of quad packing but the range and independent firing with ability to engage 8 targets (vs current 4) and at far longer ranges, would improve survival of these ships as well.

If Tughrail and JCFs are lead ships backed by smaller ships like Yarmooks, Baburs, and F-22P which all ideally would also be converted to quadpacked 8 cell VLS with CAMM-ER or G/M-1, then these battle groups should enable long range engagement of brahmos attacks (with Sipers and HQ-16FE) and have enough fast reaction missiles to cover the group for any additional brahmos breaking through. All the while you could have a sub with each group and a handful operating at sea alone in hunter killer roles.


HQ-9s are good against aircrafts but not effective against CMs. The problem with cruise missiles (whether subsonic or supersonic) is their late detection. Long range SAMs against CMs is not an effective solution. Only credible solution against cruise missiles is Point defense systems.

Our all airbases + naval bases + warships needs to have potent PDMS (point defense systems which are not for area wide protection but to protect a specific location or an asset ). This PDMS could be CAMMs OR HQ-10s. Small range, autonomous fire and forgot missiles where you can use multiple very quickly against incoming threats. That's the only credible solution. The HQ-9s, 19s, S-400s all those big names cannot defend a facility or an asset against multiple incoming supersonic cruise missiles.
 
Two S-400s were destroyed, that may cause you pain but there you go.

Just like Chinese sats were used for real time targeting you can bet your very last dollar (or Indian Rupee) they have perfected ship tracking to enable realy time missile targeting of moving IN assets. They are planning to defeat the USN with this tech.

IN will be target practice.
you sound like this musali dude
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Pakistan Navy should start investing ins USV they are low cost and very capable of sinking ships
Our Surface fleet is decent but still ways off from IN surface fleet
 
wouldn't something like rasoob or sarfrosh be more suitable for this..or maybe even taimoor?

Just joined, 3 negative posts, post liked by Metal-1 (Your fellow Indian), just after we banned Indian trolls.

Let me guess, what is the story now, "Dad is in Navy and I am from Karachi".

We may not agree with or even like some of the Indian posters on here, however, we do respect them for standing by their flag.

Take my proud flag off your profile.
 
Man c'mon this is getting a bit ridiculous, you have accused half of this forum of being Indian.

Dude, please, think about what is going on, look at their joining dates, the nature of their initial posts and the fact many of the banned Indian accounts seem to be resurfacing
 
Dude, please, think about what is going on, look at their joining dates, the nature of their initial posts and the fact many of the banned Indian accounts seem to be resurfacing
I have seen what they are saying and none of it strikes me as "Indian talk" Giving some objective analysis should be encouraged, as for account creation date look man this a public forum new people join all the time even lot of the older members were new at some point that doesn't mean they should be ganged up on.
 

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