Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

onlinpunit said:
They destroyed SriNagar AFB in response !
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Even your Shiv Aroor reported that a dogfight over Srinagar resulted in two PAF aircraft been shotdown, he later choked on it realising they were IAF jets.
Lahore seaport is still considered dangerous as Indian navy has laid mines there .
 
side-winder said:
No Sir - it wasn't just discussion. Swammy was the first guy to have come and categorically mentioned 5 jets. Then Rahul categorically said "if you had listened to me, you wouldn't have lost those 5 jets". Then Trump just recently made remarks about 6-7 jets. The Economist clearly stated 5 jets were shot down.

Number 4 is confirmed from the OSINT available - if the number ends here - what's the problem letting everyone know that it's that - there is nothing beyond number 4.

Pakistan from day one have clearly maintained - no jets lost - some missiles surely went through our AD and hit our bases - Only real damage is one aircraft damaged.
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This is exactly what Rahul Gandhi was questioning. As for Swamy—well, he’s known for being a loudmouth. And Trump? Even his own staff probably couldn’t trust his words, since what he said in the evening often didn’t match what he said the next morning.

From what I’ve reviewed, the early assumption was that four aircraft went down, but one of those turned out to be just a Mirage 2000 fuel tanker. Looking at OSINT, most of the focus has been on the Rafale, and nearly all neutral sources agree that one rafale aircraft is confirmed, with two losses at most being reported with confidence. Beyond that, the only “evidence” of five or six downed jets comes from Pakistan’s claims—none of which independent sources have verified.

So far, no credible independent evidence supports the idea that India lost 5–6 aircraft. If anyone insists otherwise, they should present the proof. At best, the reports show Pakistan making the claims, but without validation.

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Raj-Hindustani said:
This is exactly what Rahul Gandhi was questioning. As for Swamy—well, he’s known for being a loudmouth. And Trump? Even his own staff probably couldn’t trust his words, since what he said in the evening often didn’t match what he said the next morning.

From what I’ve reviewed, the early assumption was that four aircraft went down, but one of those turned out to be just a Mirage 2000 fuel tanker. Looking at OSINT, most of the focus has been on the Rafale, and nearly all neutral sources agree that one rafale aircraft is confirmed, with two or three losses at most being reported with confidence. Beyond that, the only “evidence” of five or six downed jets comes from Pakistan’s claims—none of which independent sources have verified.

So far, no credible independent evidence supports the idea that India lost 5–6 aircraft. If anyone insists otherwise, they should present the proof. At best, the reports show Pakistan making the claims, but without validation.

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Sir - no use beating around the bush - it's in the interest of IAF's own self to come up and just tell - nothing beyond 4.

No harm in accepting that - atleast that much the whole world knows - if there is nothing beyond - just say it and officially refute the speculations of everyone around the world.
 
So where are the wreckage of PAF jets
This joker is still raking it in by blabbering lies and nonsense that Indians want to listen .

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side-winder said:
Sir - no use beating around the bush - it's in the interest of IAF's own self to come up and just tell - nothing beyond 4.

No harm in accepting that - atleast that much the whole world knows - if there is nothing beyond - just say it and officially refute the speculations of everyone around the world.
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Thats the difference of opinion - we don't have any evidence, more than three aircrafts,, rest mor just claims.. it's good times, Pakistan should share the videos..

Just summarising this one - with help from chatgpt ( no editing)

Executive Summary of the Four-Day Conflict (May 7–10, 2025)​

1. Most Serious Confrontation in Decades​

The brief but intense military escalation between India and Pakistan was the most significant since the last major clash decades ago. The crisis was marked by expanded geographic reach, use of new weapons systems, and a high level of misinformation.(Stimson Center)

2. Military Firsts & Weapon Innovation​


  • India deployed cruise missiles—notably BrahMos and the European SCALP-EG—for the first time across Pakistani territory.

  • Pakistan fired conventionally armed short-range ballistic missiles, like Fatah-I and Fatah-II.

  • Both countries used drones offensively for the first time, signaling a new phase in air warfare.(Stimson Center)

3. Rapid, Precise Indian Response​

India executed coordinated standoff strikes across Pakistan, demonstrating significant reach and precision—especially on May 7 and May 10. While Pakistan intercepted some attacks, it remained highly exposed to Indian airpower.(Stimson Center)

4. No Cross-Border Airspace Violations​

Neither country’s manned aircraft entered the other’s airspace, showing mutual caution regarding air defense threats.(Stimson Center)

5. Aircraft Losses & Air Defense​


  • On the first day (May 7), India likely lost several aircraft to Pakistani counter-air operations. These losses were neither confirmed nor denied by India.(Stimson Center)

  • In the following days, Indian air defenses largely thwarted Pakistani drone and missile attacks, with limited damage reported.(Stimson Center)

6. Limited Pakistani Impact​

Pakistan's retaliatory strikes after initial aircraft losses resulted in minimal observable damage to Indian military assets, although four installations reportedly sustained minor damage.(Stimson Center)

7. Fog of War & Propaganda​

The crisis was marred by widespread disinformation. Pakistan made numerous unverified claims—from successful attacks to missile failures—while India exercised restraint, avoiding public exaggeration.(Stimson Center)

8. Escalation Tempered by Nuclear Context​

Both sides managed escalation carefully, likely influenced by their shared nuclear capabilities. The conflict didn’t feature overt nuclear signaling but nonetheless underscored deep risks.(Stimson Center)

9. High Cost, Likely Deterrent Effect​

Human casualties and equipment losses, though limited, were substantial enough to foster cautious behavior going forward.(Stimson Center)

10. U.S. Diplomacy Crucial in De-escalation​

U.S. diplomatic intervention—particularly via Secretary Marco Rubio—played a decisive role in brokering the ceasefire in the conflict’s final hours, helping prevent further escalation.(Stimson Center)

www.stimson.org

Four Days in May: The India-Pakistan Crisis of 2025 • Stimson Center

An early assessment of available evidence on what transpired in the recent India-Pakistan crisis and its implications
www.stimson.org www.stimson.org

 
side-winder said:
I don't think we hit those bloody launchers.
Missiles on Mushaf were launched next morning from roughly same location as for Rafiqui ie Surat Garh.
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According to @Panzerkiel another wave of missiles were sent in response to these attacks, he didn't provided any specific details, any idea on that
 
Raj-Hindustani said:

7. Fog of War & Propaganda​

The crisis was marred by widespread disinformation. Pakistan made numerous unverified claims—from successful attacks to missile failures—while India exercised restraint, avoiding public exaggeration.(Stimson Center)

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hmmm really?
lahore port😂
 
Raj-Hindustani said:
Thats the difference of opinion - we don't have any evidence, more than three aircrafts,, rest mor just claims.. it's good times, Pakistan should share the videos..

Just summarising this one - with help from chatgpt ( no editing)

Executive Summary of the Four-Day Conflict (May 7–10, 2025)​

1. Most Serious Confrontation in Decades​

The brief but intense military escalation between India and Pakistan was the most significant since the last major clash decades ago. The crisis was marked by expanded geographic reach, use of new weapons systems, and a high level of misinformation.(Stimson Center)

2. Military Firsts & Weapon Innovation​


  • India deployed cruise missiles—notably BrahMos and the European SCALP-EG—for the first time across Pakistani territory.

  • Pakistan fired conventionally armed short-range ballistic missiles, like Fatah-I and Fatah-II.

  • Both countries used drones offensively for the first time, signaling a new phase in air warfare.(Stimson Center)

3. Rapid, Precise Indian Response​

India executed coordinated standoff strikes across Pakistan, demonstrating significant reach and precision—especially on May 7 and May 10. While Pakistan intercepted some attacks, it remained highly exposed to Indian airpower.(Stimson Center)

4. No Cross-Border Airspace Violations​

Neither country’s manned aircraft entered the other’s airspace, showing mutual caution regarding air defense threats.(Stimson Center)

5. Aircraft Losses & Air Defense​


  • On the first day (May 7), India likely lost several aircraft to Pakistani counter-air operations. These losses were neither confirmed nor denied by India.(Stimson Center)

  • In the following days, Indian air defenses largely thwarted Pakistani drone and missile attacks, with limited damage reported.(Stimson Center)

6. Limited Pakistani Impact​

Pakistan's retaliatory strikes after initial aircraft losses resulted in minimal observable damage to Indian military assets, although four installations reportedly sustained minor damage.(Stimson Center)

7. Fog of War & Propaganda​

The crisis was marred by widespread disinformation. Pakistan made numerous unverified claims—from successful attacks to missile failures—while India exercised restraint, avoiding public exaggeration.(Stimson Center)

8. Escalation Tempered by Nuclear Context​

Both sides managed escalation carefully, likely influenced by their shared nuclear capabilities. The conflict didn’t feature overt nuclear signaling but nonetheless underscored deep risks.(Stimson Center)

9. High Cost, Likely Deterrent Effect​

Human casualties and equipment losses, though limited, were substantial enough to foster cautious behavior going forward.(Stimson Center)

10. U.S. Diplomacy Crucial in De-escalation​

U.S. diplomatic intervention—particularly via Secretary Marco Rubio—played a decisive role in brokering the ceasefire in the conflict’s final hours, helping prevent further escalation.(Stimson Center)

www.stimson.org

Four Days in May: The India-Pakistan Crisis of 2025 • Stimson Center

An early assessment of available evidence on what transpired in the recent India-Pakistan crisis and its implications
www.stimson.org www.stimson.org

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Raj-Hindustani said:
The crisis was marred by widespread disinformation. Pakistan made numerous unverified claims—from successful attacks to missile failures—while India exercised restraint, avoiding public exaggeration.
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"Avoiding public exaggeration" Lmao
 
falcon34 said:
According to @Panzerkiel another wave of missiles were sent in response to these attacks, he didn't provided any specific details, any idea on that
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Yes - Per my info - PAF's last attack was around 1100 hrs. Mushaf was hit around 0900 hrs. But i don't think those BrahMos launchers were hit. They are mobile assets anyway.
 
Raj-Hindustani said:
These OSINT analysts don’t buy into media hype—they focus only on government claims. When they mention “claims,” they’re really just pointing out the official government narratives. So he was pointing to the useless claims
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The claim by you Air chief? 5 pakistani jets shotdown?
 
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