ToddE
Trusted Member
We are Iranians regardless of where we live. We dont want to see our nation being broken because government has no balls.
Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds
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We are Iranians regardless of where we live. We dont want to see our nation being broken because government has no balls.
Persian Gulf
INT'L MOD
The question is not whether or not it is "significant". The question is whether China has helped Iran to boost its missile production levels above pre-war levels (your claim). The Israeli report you presented as evidence for this assertion is not convincing.
Boost compared to post-war situation ≠ boost compared to pre-war situation. Famidi?
kastor ville
Registered Member
Now take that sentiment, and post things that can boost our chances, instead of you guys posting nonsense that every halfway smart Iranian knows.
Hint: Iran's leadership is incompetent and corrupt............noted!
Iran's generals are out of touch with today's warfare strategies..........noted!
We need an Airforce.....................................................................................................Noted!
We need a coherent policy vis a vis Nuclear capability and ambitions.............Noted!
What else?
Let's make it a forum sticky so we don't have to read page after page of the usual bashing and letting of steam, venting frustrations...etc.
kastor ville
Registered Member
Ahhh, ok bro............you win, they're not doing anything, we suck, we lost, let's just let the Israelis invade. I'm ready to change my name to shlomo! I also like Yoram.
Persian Gulf
INT'L MOD
I didn't say they're not doing anything. You don't even try to substantiate your claims for 10 seconds before having a breakdown and resorting to straw man arguments.
I don't trust this Israeli report but I hope it's true and they are producing hundreds of MRBMs per month again.
The real questions are whether we have reestablished access to all SSM bases in the West (need satellite imagery to confirm) and whether we have new methods to prevent Israel from being able to suppress launches from those bases in the next round (e.g., indications of new silo launchers, TELs being moved, more tunnel entrances, etc). This is the evidence I would like to see, not some vague low-quality Israeli report suggesting China is somehow helping Iran.
kastor ville
Registered Member
Low quality report? You guys need to make up your mind...either Israel has infiltrated every level of our society or they haven't. If there is an outreach to the Chinese embassy and the Chinese responsed on the record, we are forced to believe that source. Yes, even when it's from the masters of lies. Because if it was propaganda why would they officially contact China and demand an answer?
ToddE
Trusted Member
I was hoping some of these stupid ass "generals" of IRI may read this forum and understand what reality is.
Shafagh
Registered Member
Can North Korea help?
Their equipment isn't on par with Russia or China, but they can fill in the gap left with Iran's lack of production capability.
Some KN 06s, engagement radars, their Tor M2 clones?
Can they fly in at least a few batteries?
Again, I think the Mig 29s at the very least should get sent to Russia to upgrade to SMT standard, and with Zhuk ME Radar.
It will give the Migs 150km detection range, various search modes.
These upgrades should at least give some fighting chance against F16s.
Their equipment isn't on par with Russia or China, but they can fill in the gap left with Iran's lack of production capability.
Some KN 06s, engagement radars, their Tor M2 clones?
Can they fly in at least a few batteries?
Again, I think the Mig 29s at the very least should get sent to Russia to upgrade to SMT standard, and with Zhuk ME Radar.
It will give the Migs 150km detection range, various search modes.
These upgrades should at least give some fighting chance against F16s.
shapurzolaktaf
Registered Member
Israel’s GDP shrank by 3.5% due to the war with Iran, marking the first three-month decline since the regime’s economy plunged 20.8% in the last quarter of 2023, when it began an all-out war against Gaza, Lebanon, Yemen, and Syria, according to the Times of Israel.
www.tehrantimes.com
Just 12 days wars, seems Israeli economy is quite sensitive.
Businesses close as Israel’s economy drops 3.5% after war with Iran
TEHRAN – A new report shows Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s much-ballyhooed decision to drag Israel into a direct war with Iran cost the regime the partial or total shutdown of countless businesses, as well as dents in consumer spending, export, and investment.
www.tehrantimes.com
Just 12 days wars, seems Israeli economy is quite sensitive.
shapurzolaktaf
Registered Member
GDP shrinks 3.5% in Q2 2025, with private consumption down 4.1% and fixed investment plunging 12.3%; economists eye possible rate cut in September. The business sector was hit particularly hard, shrinking by 6.2%, the bureau said.
kastor ville
Registered Member
Israel’s GDP shrank by 3.5% due to the war with Iran, marking the first three-month decline since the regime’s economy plunged 20.8% in the last quarter of 2023, when it began an all-out war against Gaza, Lebanon, Yemen, and Syria, according to the Times of Israel.
Businesses close as Israel’s economy drops 3.5% after war with Iran
TEHRAN – A new report shows Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s much-ballyhooed decision to drag Israel into a direct war with Iran cost the regime the partial or total shutdown of countless businesses, as well as dents in consumer spending, export, and investment.
Just 12 days wars, seems Israeli economy is quite sensitive.
- Early estimates suggest the direct and indirect costs of the 12-day war with Iran could range from $6 billion to $17.8 billion, or between 1% and 3% of Israel's GDP, according to Amir Yaron, Governor of the Bank of Israel, and analyst Andreas Krieg.
Unrelated to this but a very good deciphering the 12 day war, and the signs of things to come
We said all of these things on the onset of that war.
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Shafagh
Registered Member
It needs to be bloody for Israel in order to disuade Trump from intervening. Half of his voters are angry because of Israel dragging the US into war. If they think Iran won't fight back, they will give in and say "Ok well, I guess it's necessary... an easy win" and then he will get his war.
Israel is strong militarily, but the country itself is tiny and very fragile. Why Iran is showing restraint is beyond me.
muhammed45
Elite Member
First, Entekhab is a reformist website hence a west loving source.Not really. That's the problem with authoritarian systems. They rarely care about raising a replacement, as they want to hold onto power until the very last moment.
Didn't they stab him in the back last time? The Guardian Council rejected his candidacy. I remember Omid Dana was so excited about this dude to the point that he event went on as far as saying that he was certain that he would be the president.
They're dealing with two nuclear powers while having no nukes, no air force and no IADS. Normally, under conditions like this, where one side is significantly stronger than the other, the weaker side either goes for nuclear deterrence (like North Korea did), or surrender. It seems that they're preparing for the latter.
@muhammed45
Just saw this and it reminded me of you.
Listen to what Sardar Esbati says about Russians:
ببینید: ولایتی علیه پوتین؟ / توییت ولایتی درمورد «مرد هزار چهره» حکایت از چه دارد؟
امروز علی اکبر ولایتی مشاور مقام معظم رهبری در امور بینالملل در توییتی با هشتگهای آلاسکا، اوکراین، قفقاز و مردهزارچهره نوشت: تاریخ پرافتخار ملت مقتدر و کهن ایران نشان میدهد که این مردم هیچگاه اجازه معامله بر سر امنیت ملیشان را نخواهند داد.www.entekhab.ir
We are not waiting to see What Putin says or what Putin does. Russia cannot be worse than Soviet that armed Saddam to teeth. So when it comes to defending homeland, we don't wait on somone else's movements.
Russia does whats best for its national interests.
One thing i must say about Russia to save you from this confusion that you suffer from, Russians consider themselves as superior white people. Not ordinary white but the superior white nation.
So they won't care what happens to bunch of brown Muzzie in middle of deserts of Asia.
You have to work on real politics. Russia is not our brother nor share us their faith. Look at them from a white nation's perspective. They actually are the dominant power of Europe.
ShapurII
Trusted Member
What does that have to do with anything? I asked you to watch the part where an IRGC general was talking about Russia's involvement in Syria.
Yeah, 3 decades of our so-called friendship with Russia doesn't show that unfortunately.
So do the US and Israel. That's no excuse.
If you guys understand these things, then why are you so obsessed with Russia when they constantly stab you in the back?
shapurzolaktaf
Registered Member
Russia is just a country with its own interests, like any other country. They're a neighbour, INSTC benefits both of us, we have agreements to not support each others enemy during wars (which brings more stability). I think Iran knows all the goods and bads, but we have to get along and find common interests.
We wanted to have ties with west, different times, gave up almost everything, but they attack and murder our scientists during negotiations. We can't isolate ourselves from east.
