Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

Ahhh, ok bro............you win, they're not doing anything, we suck, we lost, let's just let the Israelis invade. I'm ready to change my name to shlomo! I also like Yoram.

I didn't say they're not doing anything. You don't even try to substantiate your claims for 10 seconds before having a breakdown and resorting to straw man arguments.

I don't trust this Israeli report but I hope it's true and they are producing hundreds of MRBMs per month again.

The real questions are whether we have reestablished access to all SSM bases in the West (need satellite imagery to confirm) and whether we have new methods to prevent Israel from being able to suppress launches from those bases in the next round (e.g., indications of new silo launchers, TELs being moved, more tunnel entrances, etc). This is the evidence I would like to see, not some vague low-quality Israeli report suggesting China is somehow helping Iran.

 

[kastor ville]

I didn't say they're not doing anything. You don't even try to substantiate your claims for 10 seconds before having a breakdown and resorting to straw man arguments.

I don't trust this Israeli report but I hope it's true and they are producing hundreds of MRBMs per month again.

The real questions are whether we have reestablished access to all SSM bases in the West (need satellite imagery to confirm) and whether we have new methods to prevent Israel from being able to suppress launches from those bases in the next round (e.g., indications of new silo launchers, TELs being moved, more tunnel entrances, etc). This is the evidence I would like to see, not some vague low-quality Israeli report suggesting China is somehow helping Iran.

Low quality report? You guys need to make up your mind...either Israel has infiltrated every level of our society or they haven't. If there is an outreach to the Chinese embassy and the Chinese responsed on the record, we are forced to believe that source. Yes, even when it's from the masters of lies. Because if it was propaganda why would they officially contact China and demand an answer?

 

[ToddE]

Now take that sentiment, and post things that can boost our chances, instead of you guys posting nonsense that every halfway smart Iranian knows.
Hint: Iran's leadership is incompetent and corrupt............noted!
Iran's generals are out of touch with today's warfare strategies..........noted!
We need an Airforce.....................................................................................................Noted!
We need a coherent policy vis a vis Nuclear capability and ambitions.............Noted!
What else?
Let's make it a forum sticky so we don't have to read page after page of the usual bashing and letting of steam, venting frustrations...etc.

I was hoping some of these stupid ass "generals" of IRI may read this forum and understand what reality is.

 

[Shafagh]

Can North Korea help?

Their equipment isn't on par with Russia or China, but they can fill in the gap left with Iran's lack of production capability.

Some KN 06s, engagement radars, their Tor M2 clones?

Can they fly in at least a few batteries?

Again, I think the Mig 29s at the very least should get sent to Russia to upgrade to SMT standard, and with Zhuk ME Radar.

It will give the Migs 150km detection range, various search modes.

These upgrades should at least give some fighting chance against F16s.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Israel’s GDP shrank by 3.5% due to the war with Iran, marking the first three-month decline since the regime’s economy plunged 20.8% in the last quarter of 2023, when it began an all-out war against Gaza, Lebanon, Yemen, and Syria, according to the Times of Israel.

Businesses close as Israel’s economy drops 3.5% after war with Iran

TEHRAN – A new report shows Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s much-ballyhooed decision to drag Israel into a direct war with Iran cost the regime the partial or total shutdown of countless businesses, as well as dents in consumer spending, export, and investment.

www.tehrantimes.com

Just 12 days wars, seems Israeli economy is quite sensitive.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

GDP shrinks 3.5% in Q2 2025, with private consumption down 4.1% and fixed investment plunging 12.3%; economists eye possible rate cut in September. The business sector was hit particularly hard, shrinking by 6.2%, the bureau said.

 

[kastor ville]

Israel’s GDP shrank by 3.5% due to the war with Iran, marking the first three-month decline since the regime’s economy plunged 20.8% in the last quarter of 2023, when it began an all-out war against Gaza, Lebanon, Yemen, and Syria, according to the Times of Israel.

Businesses close as Israel’s economy drops 3.5% after war with Iran

TEHRAN – A new report shows Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s much-ballyhooed decision to drag Israel into a direct war with Iran cost the regime the partial or total shutdown of countless businesses, as well as dents in consumer spending, export, and investment.

www.tehrantimes.com

Just 12 days wars, seems Israeli economy is quite sensitive.

• Early estimates suggest the direct and indirect costs of the 12-day war with Iran could range from $6 billion to $17.8 billion, or between 1% and 3% of Israel's GDP, according to Amir Yaron, Governor of the Bank of Israel, and analyst Andreas Krieg.

Total cost of Gaza war and Iran, plus its cumulative effect on the economy will equal 120 Billion or there about. Now, add the cost of lost opportunity cost and the fact there has been mass exodus of tech companies out of Israel, then you'll realize they're even hiding the economic losses. I will bet you a dollar the real cost with the next few years of stagnation is going to be closer to 1/4 of a trillion Dollars.......talk about a Pyrrhic victory.

Unrelated to this but a very good deciphering the 12 day war, and the signs of things to come



We said all of these things on the onset of that war.

 

[Shafagh]

• Early estimates suggest the direct and indirect costs of the 12-day war with Iran could range from $6 billion to $17.8 billion, or between 1% and 3% of Israel's GDP, according to Amir Yaron, Governor of the Bank of Israel, and analyst Andreas Krieg.

Total cost of Gaza war and Iran, plus its cumulative effect on the economy will equal 120 Billion or there about. Now, add the cost of lost opportunity cost and the fact there has been mass exodus of tech companies out of Israel, then you'll realize they're even hiding the economic losses. I will bet you a dollar the real cost with the next few years of stagnation is going to be closer to 1/4 of a trillion Dollars.......talk about a Pyrrhic victory.

Unrelated to this but a very good deciphering the 12 day war, and the signs of things to come



We said all of these things on the onset of that war.

It needs to be bloody for Israel in order to disuade Trump from intervening. Half of his voters are angry because of Israel dragging the US into war. If they think Iran won't fight back, they will give in and say "Ok well, I guess it's necessary... an easy win" and then he will get his war.

Israel is strong militarily, but the country itself is tiny and very fragile. Why Iran is showing restraint is beyond me.

 

[muhammed45]

Not really. That's the problem with authoritarian systems. They rarely care about raising a replacement, as they want to hold onto power until the very last moment.


Didn't they stab him in the back last time? The Guardian Council rejected his candidacy. I remember Omid Dana was so excited about this dude to the point that he event went on as far as saying that he was certain that he would be the president.


They're dealing with two nuclear powers while having no nukes, no air force and no IADS. Normally, under conditions like this, where one side is significantly stronger than the other, the weaker side either goes for nuclear deterrence (like North Korea did), or surrender. It seems that they're preparing for the latter.

@muhammed45
Just saw this and it reminded me of you.
Listen to what Sardar Esbati says about Russians:

ببینید: ولایتی علیه پوتین؟ / توییت ولایتی درمورد «مرد هزار چهره» حکایت از چه دارد؟

امروز علی اکبر ولایتی مشاور مقام معظم رهبری در امور بین‌الملل در توییتی با هشتگ‌های آلاسکا، اوکراین، قفقاز و مردهزارچهره نوشت: تاریخ پرافتخار ملت مقتدر و کهن...

www.entekhab.ir

First, Entekhab is a reformist website hence a west loving source.

We are not waiting to see What Putin says or what Putin does. Russia cannot be worse than Soviet that armed Saddam to teeth. So when it comes to defending homeland, we don't wait on somone else's movements.

Russia does whats best for its national interests.

One thing i must say about Russia to save you from this confusion that you suffer from, Russians consider themselves as superior white people. Not ordinary white but the superior white nation.

So they won't care what happens to bunch of brown Muzzie in middle of deserts of Asia.

You have to work on real politics. Russia is not our brother nor share us their faith. Look at them from a white nation's perspective. They actually are the dominant power of Europe.

 

[ShapurII]

First, Entekhab is a reformist website hence a west loving source.

What does that have to do with anything? I asked you to watch the part where an IRGC general was talking about Russia's involvement in Syria.

We are not waiting to see What Putin says or what Putin does. Russia cannot be worse than Soviet that armed Saddam to teeth. So when it comes to defending homeland, we don't wait on somone else's movements.

Yeah, 3 decades of our so-called friendship with Russia doesn't show that unfortunately.

Russia does whats best for its national interests.

So do the US and Israel. That's no excuse.

One thing i must say about Russia to save you from this confusion that you suffer from, Russians consider themselves as superior white people. Not ordinary white but the superior white nation.

So they won't care what happens to bunch of brown Muzzie in middle of deserts of Asia.

You have to work on real politics. Russia is not our brother nor share us their faith. Look at them from a white nation's perspective. They actually are the dominant power of Europe.

If you guys understand these things, then why are you so obsessed with Russia when they constantly stab you in the back?

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

What does that have to do with anything? I asked you to watch the part where an IRGC general was talking about Russia's involvement in Syria.

Yeah, 3 decades of our so-called friendship with Russia doesn't show that unfortunately.

So do the US and Israel. That's no excuse.

If you guys understand these things, then why are you so obsessed with Russia when they constantly stab you in the back?

Russia is just a country with its own interests, like any other country. They're a neighbour, INSTC benefits both of us, we have agreements to not support each others enemy during wars (which brings more stability). I think Iran knows all the goods and bads, but we have to get along and find common interests.
We wanted to have ties with west, different times, gave up almost everything, but they attack and murder our scientists during negotiations. We can't isolate ourselves from east.

 

[muhammed45]

What does that have to do with anything? I asked you to watch the part where an IRGC general was talking about Russia's involvement in Syria.


Yeah, 3 decades of our so-called friendship with Russia doesn't show that unfortunately.


So do the US and Israel. That's no excuse.


If you guys understand these things, then why are you so obsessed with Russia when they constantly stab you in the back?

What do we do then? Join hands with Ukraine and bomb Moscow?

Man you cannot stop nagging for a moment.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Soroka hospital in Beer Sheba after Iranian missile impact

 

[ShapurII]

What do we do then? Join hands with Ukraine and bomb Moscow?

Man you cannot stop nagging for a moment.

Stay indifferent to a war that in no way concerns us?
Do not give our own drones to a country that is in cahoots with our sworn enemy?
Do not talk about strategic alliance with that country?

Do I need to continue?

 

[ShapurII]

Russia is just a country with its own interests, like any other country.

Obviously. Yet, this logic doesn't apply to the US in the IR, for some reason.

They're a neighbour, INSTC benefits both of us

Yet, they do nothing to promote or even establish INSTC. The recent move by the Republic of Azerbaijan and Armenia is a huge blow to INSTC and Russia doesn't seem bothered by it, or willing to do anything about it.

we have agreements to not support each others enemy during wars (which brings more stability).

Which Russia doesn't respect as Putin clearly said: Israel is an almost Russian-speaking country and Russia-Israel relations are based on mutual trust.

I think Iran knows all the goods and bads, but we have to get along and find common interests.

We should also find common interests with the US and even Israel then. Why does this apply to Russia, but not the US or Israel?

We wanted to have ties with west, different times, gave up almost everything, but they attack and murder our scientists during negotiations. We can't isolate ourselves from east.

Because you do not want to accept that Israel and the West are a package deal for now. You can't have ties with one, but not the other.