Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

And Chinese FM also visiting Pakistan.
I understand that last week Chinese friends were in Skardu but sadly the weather ruined the day .
It's good. we should always meet and greet chinese. they are our power. we are under their debt. they helped us a lot. we must apply a strategy to keep china away from india. India is trying to break our nexus and using russia to improve relations with China. typical hindu mindset.
 
The fact RoEs were changed mid-air tells volumes about the level of intelligence. Everyone in Pakistan was anticipating an Indian attack after April 22 when Pe Chalgham drama was done. Anticipation and actions taken under it are not intelligence based plan. PAF was suppose to know what type of weapons IAF fighters have loaded and from where these will be deployed. This is waht Moshin Naqvi is trying to tell there... hear his speech again. Had PAF known IAF intention earlier many of those dead civilians in Bahawalpur and Muridke would be alive, including children and we might have defended our places of worships. PAF did well despite IAF surprise ...
AVM or DG ISPR (don't remember who exactly) also said that PAF only target those aircraft which had released their payload.. this also raises question, if PAF was aware of IAF attack plan through intel, why did it allowed IAF to launch their weapons in the first place?

Anyhow, my problem is not PAF but the way this clown's false bravado.

Bro - a pilot will always need permission from ground controller to press the trigger. He can't simply go up in air and shoot whatever he wants. Do you know certain clearances were never given to let go PL-15? That part is actually true.

That special mention by AVM regarding changing of rules carried political weight as well. It was to imply that PAF didn't mean to act as aggressor and shoot before the aggressive intention of IAF was turned into action. It's a bit difficult to justify the "pre-emptive" shoot downs. The world doesn't believe "you had solid intelligence about confirmed attacks"

As i said earlier - initial objective was to deter which didn't work and clearances were passed to shoot. Even if we had started shootdowns preemptively - you still couldn't stop at least some planes to launch their weapons. It doesn't work like magic to lock and shoot the planes just because you have missile with longer range.

It's not like mohsin naqvi was spitting 100% true words. Politicians do get carried away. However, the intel did its job very well.

Do you think CAS just decided to put his matress in Ops room on 22 April and was sleeping there since 2 weeks?
Nope.
 
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@Fatman17

Man, you have moved those posts to the wrong thread. Or am missing something here?

Putin visit to Alaska in the thread of India Pakistan war. Why?
 
You have to admire the PAF's sharp thinking. They truly played a brilliant hand during the last air engagement. It showed incredible foresight. They seemed to have a gut feeling about their next move and with their deep understanding of IAF, they correctly predicted that the IAF would not dare to cross the border after the Abhinandan incident.

That single, astute calculation changed everything. It gave them the confidence to fight the battle on their own terms, utilising their top-tier PL-15 BVR missiles the moment they confirmed an attack. It was a masterful move, that would have a significant negative on the IAF's psyche for years to come. All this despite the fact that IAF has a huge budget and could afford so many expensive toys.

To add to that, it's also clear PAF are already thinking several moves ahead for the future. They know the next challenge will involve facing a barrage of land-based Brahmos missiles and the S-400 system (possibly S-500) trying to lock down the skies against their J-10Cs and JF-17s.

The PAF isn't just waiting for it to happen and will probably have their plans crafted out. In addition, it probably will involve coordiation with the newly created rocket force command I believe it's a game-changer that gives them the ability to proactively strike at enemy bases and saturate their air defences while PAF will maintain air superiority.

I hope the military planners now understand that any future fight will be a whirlwind, lasting only a few days. This means there is no room for hesitation. The entire strategy is about hitting with overwhelming and decisive force from the very first moment. I hope they really climb the escalation ladder in the next conflict. I predict it to happen in the next 3 years as long as Modi the Dumbo is around.
As some PAF guys stated, the operation was easier than the exercises they do. They have been practicing these kind of scenarios for many years with much larger packages.
 
Bro - a pilot will always need permission from ground controller to press the trigger. He can't simply go up in air and shoot whatever he wants. Do you know certain clearances were never given to let go PL-15? That part is actually true.
As I understand there was a blanket clearance to shoot down any/every enemy aircraft that fires anything in to Pakistan, engages in an air battle, or tries to cross in to Pakistan. The decision to engage or not was delegated to the fighters in the air soon after the enemy launched their first projectiles towards Pakistan.
 
@arsalan345

Arsalan sb,

India is trying to break our nexus and using russia to improve relations with China. typical hindu mindset.

No. It is called diplomacy.

Regards
 
Shivangi is on maternity leave as I revealed in this forum in a post two days back.
So obviously she did not participate in the Op.

Lastly and more importantly why would IAF bother about random claims made by nobodies on twitter.
Since when do female fighter pilots randomly go on maternity leave right when the country is close to conflict? You do know it isn't even allowed by policy because of the amount of resources and time it takes to train just one?
 
As I understand there was a blanket clearance to shoot down any/every enemy aircraft that fires anything in to Pakistan, engages in an air battle, or tries to cross in to Pakistan. The decision to engage or not was delegated to the fighters in the air soon after the enemy launched their first projectiles towards Pakistan.

Nope. Can't shoot without clearances.
J10s didn't turn on their radars unnecessarily.

Everyone comes into that loop including fighters launching, other sensors guiding the missiles and exploiting EW advatnages and ground controllers guiding the pilots on secure R/T channels.

That's the whole point - PAF assets weren't operating independently - That's what network centric warfare and multi-domain operations are all about.
 
Nope. Can't shoot without clearances.
J10s didn't turn on their radars unnecessarily.

Everyone comes into that loop including fighters launching, other sensors guiding the missiles and exploiting EW advatnages and ground controllers guiding the pilots on secure R/T channels.

That's the whole point - PAF assets weren't operating independently - That's what network centric warfare and multi-domain operations are all about.
How many jets could have been shot down if the PAF chose to?
 
How many jets could have been shot down if the PAF chose to?

The number could very well be around 10-12. Another important aspect which is being ignored is - what did PAF want to shoot primarily? The answer is Rafale.

They had more planes locked and had they chosen not to discriminate between whether it was a Rafale or any other aircraft. The number on kills would be higher with same numbers of PL-15s fired. One example is that recent article stating how one Rafale managed to land back safely despite a near proximity hit.

The Rafale still has way better protection capabilities even in the terminal stage. Although they didn’t know when they were being locked and shot at however when PL-15s turned on its own seekers. The Rafales definitely knew. So yes, there were certain instances where Rafale did dodge PL-15.

I could give you a real example as well with location but let's just leave it 😊
 

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