Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Foinikas]

Where were you? sleeping ?? Seriously havent you been here??

there are threads here, including one i made that only included videos that have been geo located, with witness on spot explaining what happened.. because of witness in these videos you can easily locate the location and time.

There are other videos which you cant do that, so i didnt include those

Im one of the video its a poor para military guy explaining it, that poor guy had to be court martialed by now

There are four videos of crash site so even though Pakistan claims 6 kills, you can comfirm four, the other two were probably located in uninhabited areas hence why no wreckage claimed

But to deny these four is similar to denying the earth is flat, the evidence is so overwhelming

Go and look it up your self, use google translate for the vidoes commentary

I'm not denying,I'm just asking where are the videos.

 

[ThoroughPro]

Nope. Can't shoot without clearances.
J10s didn't turn on their radars unnecessarily.

Everyone comes into that loop including fighters launching, other sensors guiding the missiles and exploiting EW advatnages and ground controllers guiding the pilots on secure R/T channels.

That's the whole point - PAF assets weren't operating independently - That's what network centric warfare and multi-domain operations are all about.

That's what I heard from a senior ex-Airforce veteran on a program. The reason being that the clearance procedure takes/wastes time and since there were too many aircraft involved and too many engagements happening, it was left to the individual to make the call. Maybe I heard to wrong or misunderstood it. I'll have to go through a lot of long videos to find that again.

 

[flyingorca]

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[falcon34]

Nope. Can't shoot without clearances.
J10s didn't turn on their radars unnecessarily.

Everyone comes into that loop including fighters launching, other sensors guiding the missiles and exploiting EW advatnages and ground controllers guiding the pilots on secure R/T channels.

That's the whole point - PAF assets weren't operating independently - That's what network centric warfare and multi-domain operations are all about.

J10 didn't even turned on their radars!!

 

[Gripen9]

Aaj ki naeei shurli

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[Areesh]

I'm not denying,I'm just asking where are the videos.

Wreckage videos for these four kills can be found in this Twitter thread

1. Rafale
2. Mig 29
3 SU 30
4 mirage 2000

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[Foinikas]

Wreckage videos for these four kills can be found in this Twitter thread

1. Rafale
2. Mig 29
3 SU 30
4 mirage 2000

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It would be so nice for both countries to release official videos and confirm their losses like men.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

I'm not denying,I'm just asking where are the videos.

no body told Trump abtt videos, yet he believes 6-7 jets being shot down??

who initially started with 5, almost 60 days after the conflict!

 

[Areesh]

It would be so nice for both countries to release official videos and confirm their losses like men.

Pakistan didn't lose any aircraft

Yes India should have some shame and show some dignity and immediately tell its own people the number of aircraft it lost on that night in May

 

[TAC]

It would be so nice for both countries to release official videos and confirm their losses like men.

Err….Pakistan already confirmed their losses ‘like men’ but India is ‘operation is ongoing’ ‘numbers do not matter, the reason why they got shot down matters’& not to forget the biggest of them all, their shameless AC who doesn’t even give a passing mention to the top of the line jets he lost including Ra-fail (that have been confirmed world over) & instead humiliates himself further by 3 months after the event claiming 6 PAF jets were also shot down including a ‘big one’ He actually said he didn’t know earlier, I laughed so much when I heard that I think a little pee came out I think maybe he had a dream?Perhaps because India has used basanti’s as spokespersons, they’re struggling to accept their losses ‘like men’

 

[Foinikas]

Pakistan didn't lose any aircraft

Yes India should have some shame and show some dignity and immediately tell its own people the number of aircraft it lost on that night in May

No man,whatever they lost. It doesn't have to be a fighter.

 

[Foinikas]

Err….Pakistan already confirmed their losses ‘like men’ but India is ‘operation is ongoing’ ‘numbers do not matter, the reason why they got shot down matters’& not to forget the biggest of them all, their shameless AC who doesn’t even give a passing mention to the top of the line jets he lost including Ra-fail (that have been confirmed world over) & instead humiliates himself further by 3 months after the event claiming 6 PAF jets were also shot down including a ‘big one’ He actually said he didn’t know earlier, I laughed so much when I heard that I think a little pee came out I think maybe he had a dream?Perhaps because India has used basanti’s as spokespersons, they’re struggling to accept their losses ‘like men’

-The circus continues,they deny everything and say they don't have to prove it.

 

[rafale]

Bro - a pilot will always need permission from ground controller to press the trigger. He can't simply go up in air and shoot whatever he wants. Do you know certain clearances were never given to let go PL-15? That part is actually true.

That special mention by AVM regarding changing of rules carried political weight as well. It was to imply that PAF didn't mean to act as aggressor and shoot before the aggressive intention of IAF was turned into action. It's a bit difficult to justify the "pre-emptive" shoot downs. The world doesn't believe "you had solid intelligence about confirmed attacks"

As i said earlier - initial objective was to deter which didn't work and clearances were passed to shoot. Even if we had started shootdowns preemptively - you still couldn't stop at least some planes to launch their weapons. It doesn't work like magic to lock and shoot the planes just because you have missile with longer range.

It's not like mohsin naqvi was spitting 100% true words. Politicians do get carried away. However, the intel did its job very well.

Do you think CAS just decided to put his matress in Ops room on 22 April and was sleeping there since 2 weeks?
Nope.

I think some clearances were delayed due to civilian airliners in Pakistani and Indian airspaces because the Mad Dogs that these filthy Indians are didn't care.

Also, why would the total lockable jets be 10-12? They had 72 jets up in air and we had around 40......that'll be potentially 80 BVR missiles on the lower end........so could have taken out more of IAF???

@side-winder

 

[Areesh]

No man,whatever they lost. It doesn't have to be a fighter.

Four fighter are confirmed

But indians won't admit it due to lack of shame. This lack of shame is the biggest weapon Indians have right now. They can't lose any conflict with this weapon in their arsenal

 

[Starlord]

Even people like Parvin Sawhany are at times delusional. Like the way he keeps parotting that India was fighting Pakistan+China in the last conflict. Why did he never reveal the truth that if you think China was backing Pakistan just because we were using Chinese Equipment, then France + Russia + Israel were all backing India which would mean that Pakistan+China were fighting India+Russia+France+Israel! Which is simply NOT the case.

Why is it so darned difficult for them to digest that it was plain ol' Pakistan fighting and kicking Indian ass mano-a-mano?

Finally, so its not just me who is starting to get frustrated with Parvin's constant bickering over how India was fighting China+Pakistan, in fact is putting so much weight on China it almost feel like Pakistan was only a supporting role, China was the main adversary. Yes his views are relatively sane compared to others but I think he is not ready to give any credit to Pakistan or PAF without mentioning China, and now its starting to sound stupid.