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After losing industrial capacity and foreign trade dominance to China, US defence industry now is highly dependent on the Chinese supply chain, its days are also numbered.

Without solid industrial base, US will exhaust their fancy toys in a couple of weeks.

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Yes, I've read that. I hope so. But usually we have to wait a few years to be sure something has peaked.
China should at least allow the emmisson rise to US per capita level and then try to cut it down, it's too early for China to do so while per capita wise China is only half of America's.
 
In WW2, US and Russia beat Germany, it's not because they had better weapons than Germany, it's because they managed to outproduced Germany.
 
China should at least allow the emmisson rise to US per capita level and then try to cut it down, it's too early for China to do so while per capita wise China is only half of America's.
I don't think in today's modern age, emission and development are linked. Since we have more efficient and clean technology and energy sources.
 
Correct. And to this day Russia is proving the same, regardless of who is arrayed against them, they can produce enough to keep going and put pressure on Ukraine even with all of the western world supporting it.
 
I don't think in today's modern age, emission and development are linked. Since we have more efficient and clean technology and energy sources.
Unless you deindustrialize, but the world still needs products, some countries deindustrializing means some others have to industralize, otherwise this whole world will be running out of commodities.

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if you go back 2 decades+ you would hear things like China is producing so many pollutants. news used to be filled with it.

The roles have been reversed.
 
Unprecedented in the modern world history, even during the heydays of British and American empires they didn't manage to pull off a miracle like this.

A large percentage of that is foreign brand IP orders not Chinese brands.
 
In WW2, US and Russia beat Germany, it's not because they had better weapons than Germany, it's because they managed to outproduced Germany.
US was the same, they outproduced everybody else to win WWII. The Germans had better quality weapons and soldiers but they didn't have the industrial capacity.
 
if you go back 2 decades+ you would hear things like China is producing so many pollutants. news used to be filled with it.

The roles have been reversed.
Western propaganda is poisonous, some people still believe China is what it was decades ago as shown in this thread.
 

China’s electronics export juggernaut and lessons for the US​

Willem Thorbecke
Nimesh Salike
29 Aug 2025
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In 2021, China’s electronics exports exceeded those of the other five leading exporters combined.
This column analyses the rise of China as a centre for electronics manufacturing. It argues that the key drivers of growth were intense competition, education that facilitated technology transfer, and infrastructure development. However, China’s nonlinear innovation model also leaves it dependent on foreign technology and vulnerable to protectionism from other countries. To forestall protectionism, China should nurture domestic consumption. Other countries, including the US, should promote manufacturing by focusing on incentives, education, and infrastructure.

The value of China’s electronics exports increased from $5 billion in 1990 to $1 trillion in 2021. In 2021, its electronics exports exceeded the electronics exports of the other five leading exporters combined. Figure 1 shows the electronics exports of leading producers.

Figure 1 The value of electronics exports of leading producers

Figure 1 The value of electronics exports of leading producers

Figure 1 The value of electronics exports of leading producers


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Not only has the value of China’s electronics exports increased, but so too has China’s value added in these exports. Xing (2021) discussed how, when the first iPhone came out in 2007, China’s only contribution was a $6.50 per phone assembly fee to Foxconn. Many of the parts and components came from firms in Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and other Asian economies. By contrast, for Apple’s 2022 list of input providers, 151 suppliers resided in China.

How did Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and then China become centres for electronics manufacturing? Incentives played an important role. Entrepreneurs such as Byung-Chul Lee at Samsung and Tadashi Sasaki at Sharp faced intense competition. They needed to assiduously choose and master technologies to reduce costs and differentiate their products. If they failed, their firms faced bankruptcy. Education was also crucial. East Asian countries prioritised education, and this facilitated technology transfer (see Yoshitomi 2003). Infrastructure also mattered. Countries in the region constructed high-quality highways, ports, airports, and information and communication technology infrastructure. This attracted foreign investors, enhanced connectivity, and promoted global value chain (GVC) trade.

China’s linear and nonlinear innovation models

Xing (2021) documented how China followed a linear innovation model, moving up the value chain step-by-step. Within global value chains, the lead firm would allocate tasks across countries based on differences in factor endowments. When Apple began producing iPhones, China’s comparative advantage was in low-wage labour. Chinese workers assembled imported parts and components into phones. The huge demand for smartphones then motivated Chinese firms to join this value chain.

Interacting with lead firms gave Chinese companies opportunities to assimilate technologies and gain production know-how. In the mobile phone sector, Chinese firms advanced from assembly to producing non-core parts. As Chinese firms gained competitiveness against Asian rivals, they supplied printed circuit boards, battery packs, displays, and other more sophisticated inputs.

Xing (2021) discussed how firms also followed a nonlinear innovation model. Chinese phone makers could not produce core technologies such as operating systems and semiconductors. In 2006, MediaTek offered a turnkey solution to manufacture cellphones. They provided the hardware and software needed to power cellphones. Firms with low-wage workers used MediaTek’s chipset and Google’s Android operating system to make phones. Chinese phone makers Oppo, Vivo, Xiaomi, and Huawei then developed their own brands even though they lacked the technological prowess of competitors like Apple and Samsung.

Chinese firms progressed from imitating to innovating. Competition to access China’s 1.4 billion consumers forced them to differentiate their products. Understanding Chinese consumers better than foreign brands gave them a competitive advantage.

China’s most innovative firm, Huawei, spent $25 billion on research and development in 2024 (Zhe 2025). Huawei strives to use R&D funds efficiently. For instance, to foster innovation, it relies on individual stars rather than large teams. Employees at Huawei consider technological innovation and customer satisfaction to be their highest goals. As Wang (2021) noted, Huawei in 2018 submitted 5,405 intellectual property (IP) applications to the World Intellectual Property Organization, which ranked first among global multinational corporations. Huawei had acquired 87,805 IP rights by 2018.

Threats to China’s electronics industry

The Achilles' heel of the nonlinear innovation model is that it leaves China dependent on foreign technology. When the Trump Administration restricted Huawei’s access to Google Android and to US technology, it limited Huawei’s ability to sell phones abroad. While Huawei has developed its own operating system, the inability of users to access Google’s app store makes Huawei’s phones less attractive.

Chinese electronics exports can also be harmed by tariffs. In recent work (Chen et al. 2025), we investigate how tariffs and other factors affect China’s electronics exports. To do this, we use the methodology of Bénassy-Quéré et al. (2021). They explained annual disaggregated bilateral exports using a series of fixed effects, the bilateral real exchange rate between exporting and importing countries, bilateral tariff rates, and other variables. We use data on China’s bilateral exports to 196 trading partners for 44 categories of electronics exports. These products include phones, semiconductors, computers, semiconductor manufacturing and testing equipment, software, scientific instruments, and other parts and accessories. We use the electronic goods that are included in the Information Technology Agreement. The sample extends from 2003 to 2018.

The results indicate that a ten percentage point increase in the tariff rate would reduce electronics exports by between 12% and 21%, and that a 10% appreciation of the Chinese renminbi would reduce electronics exports by between 7% and 8%. The higher response of exports to tariff changes than to exchange rate changes is an example of the international elasticity puzzle (Fontagné et al. 2018). Even though tariffs and exchange rates should have the same impact on exports in many trade and international macroeconomic models, researchers have found that tariff rate changes affect exports more than equivalent exchange rate changes. Tariffs on China’s electronics exports would cause a large decrease in exports. In another paper, we find that China’s exports after the Global Crisis stopped responding to exchange rates, but were still harmed by tariffs (Thorbecke et al. 2025).

Lessons for reshoring production to the US

President Trump has used the threat of tariffs to motivate companies to invest in the US. During his first administration, this strategy failed to establish a Foxconn factory in Wisconsin.

Haeberle et al. (2025) and Dzieza (2020) discussed how Foxconn responded to the threat of tariffs by agreeing to build a liquid crystal display factory in Mount Pleasant, Wisconsin. Town officials offered Foxconn four square miles of land. To obtain the land they declared that the farms located there were blighted ― much to the dismay of the residents who claimed that they had maintained their farms. Government officials offered Foxconn $3 billion in subsidies. Despite the agreement, Foxconn, instead of building the promised 20 million-square-foot factory, constructed an empty building one-twentieth that size. It employed only 281 people, and many played video games or watched Netflix because they had nothing to do. Foxconn let employees go after receiving subsidies for hiring them, pocketed subsidies in excess of $400 million, and never constructed a working fab.

A lesson from the Foxconn affair is that the threat of tariffs is not enough to reshore factories to the US. The Asian experience indicates that incentives, education, and infrastructure are crucial. As an example of misaligned incentives, Pat Gelsinger, the former CEO of Intel, earned $179 million in his first full year and $16.9 million in his last full year. This is despite the fact that Intel’s stock price kept falling and that, even with $8 billion in government subsidies, Gelsinger failed to improve Intel’s performance. In terms of education, US student performance in the 2022 OECD Programme for International Student Assessment exams for math was the worst ever (OECD 2022). Concerning infrastructure, the American Society of Civil Engineers gave US infrastructure a grade of C in 2025 (ASCE 2025). To promote manufacturing, the US must improve incentives, education, and infrastructure.

Conclusion

China has imitated, innovated, and mastered electronics manufacturing. Surpluses in electronics have made up more than half of China’s massive trade surpluses after 2008. Setser (2024) showed that China’s goods trade balance may actually be 50% higher than reported. These imbalances have generated tariffs and protectionism abroad. Exchange rates may not act as shock absorbers to correct these surpluses. To forestall protectionism, China should nurture domestic consumption. The US, rather than blaming other countries, should promote manufacturing by focusing on incentives, education, infrastructure, and other fundamentals.

 
It is an impressive statistic but it is a double edged sword and shows how imbalanced the Chinese economy is. China cannot consume 50% of global production on its own and international trade is becoming increasingly isolationist and protectionist. If China cannot find external markets for its products, it will have to scale down production which will lead to massive economic and job losses.
 
It is an impressive statistic but it is a double edged sword and shows how imbalanced the Chinese economy is. China cannot consume 50% of global production on its own and international trade is becoming increasingly isolationist and protectionist. If China cannot find external markets for its products, it will have to scale down production which will lead to massive economic and job losses.
Trade with the west is declining while with the rest of world fast growing, overall it's still growing significantly.

China exports: Global shipments rose 4.8% in May; inflow to US falls nearly 35%

 
I hope China can reduce its pollution and replace coal with cleaner sources, preferably nuclear, soon.
Do you know why you almost can't find trash in China? Because trash is money.

China has built so many power plants that it now has no waste to burn.​

Maria Heloisa Barbosa Borges
Published27/07/2025 às 12:04

China's waste-to-energy plan faces collapse due to lack of waste
China's waste-to-energy plan faces collapse due to lack of waste

The country invested heavily in plants to generate energy from waste, but slow growth left part of the infrastructure idle.

China has rapidly expanded its power plant network to generate energy from garbage, but now faces an unusual problem: there are more incinerators than solid waste availableWith more than a thousand plants in operation, a significant portion of them operate below capacity.

According to a report by Cinda Securities, Chinese plants operate, on average, at only 60% capacity. The supply of waste has grown in recent years, but at a slower pace than the accelerated construction of these plants. structures reflection of an optimism that disregarded recession, decline in urbanization and post-pandemic changes.

Too much capacity, too little waste

China has built so many power plants that it now has no waste to burn.

Since the 1980s, China has been known as the "world's garbage dump," importing waste from various countries. But that has changed. Instead of excess garbage, today the country has a surplus of incineration plants to generate energy and there is not enough material to feed them.

 

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