nahtanbob
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What is the anti-China alliance ? There is no alliance until countries cut back or are forced to cut back on trade with China
USA Rethinking the India-Pakistan Dynamic.
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nahtanbob
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Uzair Younus
Uzair Younus was a nonresident senior fellow and the former director of the Pakistan Initiative at the Atlantic Council’s South Asia Center.
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Rationale
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Actually , all this video tell you is that India has always refused US mediation and it was a "certain country" that went running to Daddy to save them when they couldnt handle the heat.
r3alist
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Instead of seeking real development, India decided it's wiser to fritter away once in a century diplomatic capital on saying mean things about Pakistan
It belongs in the playground
Now the Americans will simply invert it back upon India
If the Indian plan was to talk tough about China, but really act hard on Pakistan, it has resulted in the opposite
r3alist
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If we are talking about daddy, is modi not going to his Chinese daddy to protect him on u.s tariffs?
They are meant to be your strategic enemy......
And India has always accepted mediation, otherwise why did they stop?
r3alist
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Rationale
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How will China protect India from US tariffs ? India is just normalising relations with China. Anyway, China is a small market for Indian exports and itself is an exporter of many Indian exports goods impacted by US tariffs.
India doesn't have any strategic enemies. India stopped the fighting because its objective of demonstrating that it will respond to terrorists attacks by targetting perpetrators deep inside Pakistan had been achieved and Pakistan was asking for a ceasefire. There is no reason to keep fighting after your aims have been achieved.
nahtanbob
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You assumed the presence of anti-China alliance. I was pointing out all the Quad members had huge trading relationships with China
FuturePAF
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Doubt they want Pakistan as a mediator but more as a facilitator for the order they seek to build, with China seeking growth. They want to compete with China in Central Asia and any routes china (but also Russia and Iran) has to other regions. Pakistan sits at an important junction, to the Indian Ocean and on the way to the global south.
FuturePAF
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We need only listen to Clinton’s speech when China was allowed into the WTO. China found ways to bend the rules. India won’t get that much leeway nor is it likely to be as cunning to be quietly focused to outgrow the terms on its access.
FuturePAF
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I was careful not to say state department official. I said official in the current administration. Those boomers with nostalgia for the 80s.
PK781
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US doesn't really want a new so-called regional power in india to meddle in south asia so they will always keep Pakistan afloat and not let it sink.......although it tried its last pawn recently in the May conflict and had to lick its wounds. They finally realized that their investment and prodding was useless.
Pakistan needs to tread carefully amongst this war between the 2 sides trying to outdo each other (china and usa, though china is not aggressive militarily to them yet but a declining usa wont go down easily either)
The american admin does not like not having control so they will always lean on Pak mil-estb to do some of their work and bidding, and use Pakistan in some ways. This is why Pak now needs to be careful, and needs to step up and realize its geostrategic location and take full advantage in this fast changing world order.Pakistan is very fortunate and blessed to be sharing a border with China to its immense benefit. Hopefully the benefits of CPEC and other projects are realized soon so people can start seeing the benefits finally. But an honest nationalist govt is extremely crucial to this and not the current setup of thieves and bandits.
The world order is changing fast and I really hope we are at the right side of it for ensuring maximum benefit. Our people have suffered hard and long and have laid a lot of lives sacrificed, and they deserve to be uplifted. The resilience shown has been remarkable thru these last few decades by the common people, hopefully things change for the better.
As for india and its demonic plans, they've been paused and shelved for now due to Trump's peace plan (albeit a forced one when they realized they bet on wrong horse), it remains to be seen how long this pause would remain on the "operation sindoor" but india simply cannot be trusted and they will surely try again.
But any work for extracting critical rare earth for Pakistan's benefit would be deemed ok as long as any foreign investment/interest comes up and it would be in our advantage if it would be China or Americans to be digging it up and using it while giving Pakistan's economy a much needed boost. If the usa gets the contracts and all, you can bet they will also bring their tools to safeguard the area for their own security, which will obviously benefit locals.
with the indian-fatigue factor so high in the entire western world, this is time for Pakistan to take advantage and to straighten and strengthen its diplomatic and all other interests. Again, Allah has blessed Pakistan with the best geostrategic location which the world's powers cannot simply ignore. Pakistan is important for them all, whether they like it or not, and whether they admit it or not.
one little example would be Pakistan closing its airspace for all air traffic overflying it, imagine the chaos that would cause to all airlines.......
hopefully we get a govt and people in leadership who realize and use this geostrategic location and resources wisely and take this country to high dignity and standing that is its real destiny
Pakistan needs to tread carefully amongst this war between the 2 sides trying to outdo each other (china and usa, though china is not aggressive militarily to them yet but a declining usa wont go down easily either)
The american admin does not like not having control so they will always lean on Pak mil-estb to do some of their work and bidding, and use Pakistan in some ways. This is why Pak now needs to be careful, and needs to step up and realize its geostrategic location and take full advantage in this fast changing world order.Pakistan is very fortunate and blessed to be sharing a border with China to its immense benefit. Hopefully the benefits of CPEC and other projects are realized soon so people can start seeing the benefits finally. But an honest nationalist govt is extremely crucial to this and not the current setup of thieves and bandits.
The world order is changing fast and I really hope we are at the right side of it for ensuring maximum benefit. Our people have suffered hard and long and have laid a lot of lives sacrificed, and they deserve to be uplifted. The resilience shown has been remarkable thru these last few decades by the common people, hopefully things change for the better.
As for india and its demonic plans, they've been paused and shelved for now due to Trump's peace plan (albeit a forced one when they realized they bet on wrong horse), it remains to be seen how long this pause would remain on the "operation sindoor" but india simply cannot be trusted and they will surely try again.
But any work for extracting critical rare earth for Pakistan's benefit would be deemed ok as long as any foreign investment/interest comes up and it would be in our advantage if it would be China or Americans to be digging it up and using it while giving Pakistan's economy a much needed boost. If the usa gets the contracts and all, you can bet they will also bring their tools to safeguard the area for their own security, which will obviously benefit locals.
with the indian-fatigue factor so high in the entire western world, this is time for Pakistan to take advantage and to straighten and strengthen its diplomatic and all other interests. Again, Allah has blessed Pakistan with the best geostrategic location which the world's powers cannot simply ignore. Pakistan is important for them all, whether they like it or not, and whether they admit it or not.
one little example would be Pakistan closing its airspace for all air traffic overflying it, imagine the chaos that would cause to all airlines.......
hopefully we get a govt and people in leadership who realize and use this geostrategic location and resources wisely and take this country to high dignity and standing that is its real destiny
Raj-Hindustani
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Uzair Younus
Uzair Younus was a nonresident senior fellow and the former director of the Pakistan Initiative at the Atlantic Council’s South Asia Center.
I’ve been following Western and U.S. media, and apart from a single article offering a different angle, I find it hard to verify if what it says is actually true.
To me, the situation feels like a bubble. Trump’s unpredictability, and the fact that he acts more like a businessman than a political leader, has already caused damage to India–U.S. relations.
When that bubble eventually bursts—for example, if the war in Ukraine ends—I believe the U.S. will again try to improve ties with India. But since India has capable foreign policy makers, they won’t rush into it. The damage to trust has already been done. But again, both sides will work on it.
Sooner or later, the U.S. will try to win India back, and I don’t see they will going to change the long-term trajectory, and suddenly Pakistan will become important player for them.
As for Pakistan, its value to the U.S. is mainly strategic—location, Iran, Afghanistan, and to some extent China. Beyond that, I don’t see much depth in the relationship. Washington will maintain some level of engagement with Pakistan, because might in coming years, they need Pakistani airspace and military bases to operates against these countries, uSa will always keep nd wants that option open
In short, I don’t see any major policy changes happening right now
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Rationale
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The United States has a lot of leverage over Pakistan right now. If the Pakistan Democracy Act passes, the US Congress and gets signed into law, the current regime in Pakistan will collapse. The Trump administration and the regime both know that the US has them by the balls and the hybrid regime serves at Trump's pleasure. So, the US will extract maximum advantage and use Pakistan to do its "dirty work " - to borrow a phrase from Pakistan's defence minister.
Raj-Hindustani
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“I see Pakistani leaders as often willing to compromise with the U.S. for short-term gains.
Back in the 1970s, Pakistan unnecessarily involved itself in the Cold War against the Soviet Union, believing that siding with the U.S. would bring benefits. To justify this to the public, false claims were even spread that the Soviets were preparing to invade Pakistan for minerals.
During the 10 years of war, Pakistan compromised heavily. By hosting militant groups to fight the Soviets, the country’s security situation deteriorated badly. The long-term impact was devastating—foreign investors avoided Pakistan, and the country missed its chance for sustained economic growth. Pakistan chose dollars and weapons, but failed to think beyond them.
After 2001, the cycle repeated. Pakistan again switched sides, taking action against the very same groups it had once hosted, and the security environment grew even worse.
Now I fear history may repeat itself. If conflict escalates between Israel/U.S. and Iran, Washington will likely offer Pakistan some incentives, and once again Pakistan might provide airspace or even bases, repeating the same short-sighted pattern
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