Turkey to build bomb shelters across the country

[MH.Yang]

No, i cannot understand. explain. how and what are Russia and Iran doing for Turkiye? Like explain why they'd care .. especially since we've not long ago had disagreements over Syria and Assad.
IQ test is not helping

Let me teach you another idiom, “怀璧其罪”. It means that in the geopolitical arena, your attitude does not matter, but your ability determines the action I will take against you. No matter how friendly you appear to me, if you have the power to threaten me, I will destroy you.

Because friendliness is changeable, while capability is long-lasting. So in Israel's interest, it will destroy and divide Iran, Turkey, etc. whether they are friendly or not, because you have the ability to threaten Israel's security. Israel can't guarantee that you will always be friendly, and it can't guarantee that the US will always be strong, so it can only destroy the threat in advance while the US is still strong.

And the reason Israel and the US are not attacking Turkey for now is not because of the NATO alliance, but because they are prioritizing the destruction of Iran, and the use of Turkey to weaken Russia.

 

[Anatolia]

And the reason Israel and the US are not attacking Turkey for now is not because of the NATO alliance, but because they are prioritizing the destruction of Iran, and the use of Turkey to weaken Russia.

Israel/US do not need Turkiye for that. they're well capable of doing that by themselves. Israel and US can destroy Iran without needing Turk help.
But the weaken Russia.. how? Like how can US/Israel use Turkiye to weaken Russia , i must be missing something.

 

[MH.Yang]

Then Turkiye will get its own Nuclear Weapons
USA will lose Turkiye to Russia-Iran-Pakistan-China-N.Korea pact
and USA will lose everywhere in the middle East , Caucasia , Eastern Mediterranean even in the Balkans

China-Russia-Iran will be so happy to be ally with Turkiye to kick American Forces out of Syria , Iraq and in the Eastern Mediterranean

Imagine , what about if Chinese-Russian Forces are in Turkish Incirlik Airbase instead of American Forces

You're a little smarter than Anatolia, at least you understood the use of Iran and Russia in the first place. But you still made a mistake, you grossly misjudged Israel's capabilities and China's position.

First of all, Israel is far more than just the power you see, it's not a small country with only 9 million people and US support. All the major countries of the world including Russia and the Islamic countries that you are counting on have a large number of Jews and pro-Jewish forces at the top of their economies and politics. The only exception is the homogeneous nation-state of China. If Israel launches an attack, you can't get real support from Russia and the Islamic world, only some lip service. There is also the fact that Turkey will have no less Mossad within it than Iran, and you will face the same kind of dilemma of being under siege by traitors that Iran has.

Secondly, don't think that China would get involved in a war taking place in Europe for Turkey. China is useful to Turkey in that it will gradually weaken Israel's biggest supporter, the US, but that will take decades.

No matter what the Turkish government does, China is unlikely to send troops to Turkey. This is because there are not too many Chinese interests in Turkey. China's interests are clearly centered in the region of East Africa, the Indian Ocean, Southeast Asia, and East Asia, rather than the Atlantic Ocean and the Mediterranean Sea. In the Islamic world, China is also clearly closer to the Arab countries, led by Saudi Arabia. That's because four countries - Saudi Arabia, UAE, Oman, and Kuwait - supply more than 40% of China's oil and gas.

One thing you have to realize is that China's anger towards Israel comes mainly from the people, because the Chinese cannot accept the massacre of Palestinians by Jews. But Israel has been avoiding a head-on confrontation with the Chinese government, and has even tried to remain as neutral as possible in the US-China conflict. You want the Chinese government to initiate a military conflict with Israel, that would require Israel to seriously offend China's interests. And I said before that China does not have great interests in Turkey.

 

[hyperman]

Go take a stroll in Tehran's streets and ask if any of them see Russia as an enemy.. and do the same in Moscow. That would answer that quickly for you.
Not the same if you asked if they see Turks as enemy or not, lets not pretend so you can win an argument online.

In short. Russia v Iran rivalry/hatred or whatever is not comparable with Turkish one. it just isnt.

I think you missed the point here. The scenario I was responding to was Turkey getting attacked by Europe and the Zionists, and I pointed out in this context, that its not implausible that we would see a realignment where you would see people who have had historical issues, put it aside for common converging interests, I don't see the Iranians supporting the Europeans if they attacked Turkey, in the same way we saw support for Iran against Israel.

How does any of this make them want to help Turkiye?

common enemies, In a scenario where Europe is attacking Turkey, I mean this is all hypothetical, I don't see the Europeans realistically attacking Turkey as Foinikas was suggesting.

 

[Anatolia]

I think you missed the point here. The scenario I was responding to was Turkey getting attacked by Europe and the Zionists, and I pointed out in this context, that its not implausible that we would see a realignment where you would see people who have had historical issues, put it aside for common converging interests, I don't see the Iranians supporting the Europeans if they attacked Turkey, in the same way we saw support for Iran against Israel.

It all depends what you mean by "support" . And I cant think of what support Russia and Iran would give us in any war scenario with Israel and Europe. And why should they? their main focus should be their own survival. The only way the three would support each other if Israel and Europe attacked us all three at the same time. again this is never going to happen, so not sure why even debate it lol

Europe is NOT ever going to support Israel in attacking Turkiye. the Europeans want NOTHING to do with Middle Eastern conflicts. How is their governments going to convince the masses that losing their sons for Israel is good thing?

common enemies, In a scenario where Europe is attacking Turkey, I mean this is all hypothetical, I don't see the Europeans realistically attacking Turkey as Foinikas was suggesting.

This YANG guy reckons the European world is just going to want to die for Israel because US/Israel says so .. yeah, not happening. And only reason Turkiye is existing is because of Russia .

 

[MH.Yang]

I think you missed the point here. The scenario I was responding to was Turkey getting attacked by Europe and the Zionists, and I pointed out in this context, that its not implausible that we would see a realignment where you would see people who have had historical issues, put it aside for common converging interests, I don't see the Iranians supporting the Europeans if they attacked Turkey, in the same way we saw support for Iran against Israel.



common enemies, In a scenario where Europe is attacking Turkey, I mean this is all hypothetical, I don't see the Europeans realistically attacking Turkey as Foinikas was suggesting.

Yes, Europeans will not attack Turkey; they will remain neutral. But is this attitude any different from Europeans attacking Turkey?

There was once a Japanese anime called "Doraemon," in which a fat man named Gōda Takeshi constantly bullies the protagonist, Nobi Nobita. Others can adopt four possible attitudes:

A. Help Nobi Nobita and attack the villain, Gōda Takeshi.

B. Support Nobi Nobita verbally and condemn the villain, Gōda Takeshi.

C. Remain absolutely neutral and refrain from expressing any opinion.

D. Help the villain, Gōda Takeshi, and attack Nobi Nobita.

But in reality, there are only two attitudes. B, C, and D are essentially the same.

 

[MMM-E]

One thing you have to realize is that China's anger towards Israel comes mainly from the people, because the Chinese cannot accept the massacre of Palestinians by Jews. But Israel has been avoiding a head-on confrontation with the Chinese government, and has even tried to remain as neutral as possible in the US-China conflict. You want the Chinese government to initiate a military conflict with Israel, that would require Israel to seriously offend China's interests. And I said before that China does not have great interests in Turkey.

Chinese dont have strategic mind to become a global power
You dont know even whats going on

USA-Israel wants to block China's trillion Dollars OBOR project with India-The UAE-S.Arabia-Greece



The IMEC corridor is a strategic countermeasure to China’s growing influence in the region, as China plays a proactive role in the Middle East


On the other hand , Turkiye plays a key role for China's trillion Dollars OBOR project

The Middle Corridor is the shortest multimodal trade route that utilizes a combination of rail, road, and sea transportation to connect China and Europe via Kazakhstan-Azerbaijan-Georgia-Turkiye


Following the Russia-Ukraine conflict, the traditional Northern Corridor involving Russia became less attractive.

Turkiye and Turkic Countries are as an imperative for the Countries seeking to reduce geopolitical risk with stable trade routes

 

[MH.Yang]

It all depends what you mean by "support" . And I cant think of what support Russia and Iran would give us in any war scenario with Israel and Europe. And why should they? their main focus should be their own survival. The only way the three would support each other if Israel and Europe attacked us all three at the same time. again this is never going to happen, so not sure why even debate it lol

Europe is NOT ever going to support Israel in attacking Turkiye. the Europeans want NOTHING to do with Middle Eastern conflicts. How is their governments going to convince the masses that losing their sons for Israel is good thing?

This YANG guy reckons the European world is just going to want to die for Israel because US/Israel says so .. yeah, not happening. And only reason Turkiye is existing is because of Russia .

Turkey is the heir to the Ottoman Empire. You, like us Chinese, are descendants of a great ancient civilization. You should learn from your own long history that a strong nation can only rely on itself, and cannot pin its fate on the mercy and charity of outsiders. Strive hard, become self-reliant, eliminate traitors, and maintain firm convictions. Only in this way can you survive in the long river of history.

 

[MH.Yang]

Chinese dont have strategic mind to become a global power
You dont know even whats going on

USA-Israel wants to block China's trillion Dollars OBOR project with India-The UAE-S.Arabia-Greece

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The IMEC corridor is a strategic countermeasure to China’s growing influence in the region, as China plays a proactive role in the Middle East


On the other hand , Turkiye plays a key role for China's trillion Dollars OBOR project

The Middle Corridor is the shortest multimodal trade route that utilizes a combination of rail, road, and sea transportation to connect China and Europe via Kazakhstan-Azerbaijan-Georgia-Turkiye
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Following the Russia-Ukraine conflict, the traditional Northern Corridor involving Russia became less attractive.

Turkiye and Turkic Countries are as an imperative for the Countries seeking to reduce geopolitical risk with stable trade routes

You continue to underestimate Israel. Do you think the Jews are fools who don't understand the need to appease China's interests before destroying Turkey?

Let me remind you that the Israeli government handed over two important ports, Haifa Port and Ashdod Port, to China despite strong opposition from the US government.

Why do you think Israel was willing to do this, even at the risk of angering the US government? Israel wants to replace Turkey in the Battle of the B&R! Why do you think they were willing to pay such a high price to replace Türkiye?

 

[MMM-E]

Turkey is the heir to the Ottoman Empire. You, like us Chinese, are descendants of a great ancient civilization. You should learn from your own long history that a strong nation can only rely on itself, and cannot pin its fate on the mercy and charity of outsiders. Strive hard, become self-reliant, eliminate traitors, and maintain firm convictions. Only in this way can you survive in the long river of history.

The TURKS could survive in the long river of history since 209 BC

The TURKS were multiple times super power
And nobody could rule the Turks in history

We eliminated traitors ( FETO , PKK , etc )
Thanks to the Turkish Defense Industry , Our enemies can not attack us

The Turks are close to having one of the world's leading military industry by over 90% self sufficiency

 

[Anatolia]

Turkey is the heir to the Ottoman Empire. You, like us Chinese, are descendants of a great ancient civilization. You should learn from your own long history that a strong nation can only rely on itself, and cannot pin its fate on the mercy and charity of outsiders. Strive hard, become self-reliant, eliminate traitors, and maintain firm convictions. Only in this way can you survive in the long river of history.

I don't know how it looks from China. but pretty sure all our in our region agree that NATO or any outsiders give no help to Turks. you will always see comments like "NATO will do nothing for Turks against this and that" and it's true. And history tells us that in WW1 we could not depend on Muslims to help us. thats why we're on our own. and I like it that way.

But point you made earlier. You say US/Europe would instantly choose Israel over Turks. And I agree, they could. maybe not the extent you might think. but I agree. But you also claimed that Turks was/is useful in a way to counter Russia, yes? Wouldn't that mean there's almost no chance of Turks being attacked if Russia was to be contained with Turks help? or do you think like me. Russia is no real threat to Europe and west and it's all just hype lol.

 

[MMM-E]

You continue to underestimate Israel. Do you think the Jews are fools who don't understand the need to appease China's interests before destroying Turkey?

Israel is my azz who dreaming to destroy Turkiye
better worry about Israel which were destroyed 2 times in history
and the Jews were living without a State for 1.877 years between 70 AD and 1947

Even RABBIS says Israel will be destroyed again because they once again caused mischief and discord in the region and killed innocent people.

Israel will lose in the long battle

Let me remind you that the Israeli government handed over two important ports, Haifa Port and Ashdod Port, to China despite strong opposition from the US government.

HAIFA Port will be the main base for the IMEC corridor which is a strategic countermeasure to China’s growing influence in the region, as China plays a proactive role in the Middle East

USA-Israel-India

 

[MH.Yang]

Israel is my azz who dreaming to destroy Turkiye
better worry about Israel which were destroyed 2 times in history
and the Jews were living without a State for 1.877 years between 70 AD and 1947

Even RABBIS says Israel will be destroyed again because they once again caused mischief and discord in the region and killed innocent people.

Israel will lose in the long battle




HAIFA Port will be the main base for the IMEC corridor which is a strategic countermeasure to China’s growing influence in the region, as China plays a proactive role in the Middle East

USA-Israel-India
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Of course, I knew Israel would ultimately fail.

Israel's population was too small, its territory too small, and it was in a state of hostility with almost all of its neighboring countries, making it heavily dependent on external support. Islamic nations could lose a hundred wars against Israel, but winning just one would destroy it.

Furthermore, with the continued decline of the United States, Israel's doom was foreseeable. But the world is darkest before the dawn, and the beast is wildest before its death. The Israeli government also understood the need to eliminate as many potential enemies as possible before the United States' decline.

Therefore, the real question has never been whether Israel will perish, but how many nations and peoples will Israel take with it.

In my opinion, you Turks have seriously underestimated Israel, and you blindly believe that Turkey has not been infiltrated by Mossad and that it can remain united even in the face of siege from Israel and the United States. I don't think your final outcome will be better than Iran's.

 

[MMM-E]

In my opinion, you Turks have seriously underestimated Israel, and you blindly believe that Turkey has not been infiltrated by Mossad and that it can remain united even in the face of siege from Israel and the United States. I don't think your final outcome will be better than Iran's.

Türkiye sentences group of Mossad spies to century in prison​

Türkiye sentences group of Mossad spies to century in prison

A Turkish court on Thursday condemned a family of three and three others to a total of 100 years in prison for spying for Israel’s Mossad and gathering...

www.dailysabah.com

Türkiye has filed charges against 20 people accused of spying for Israeli intelligence agency Mossad, seeking prison sentences ranging from about 19 to 45 years each

Turkish indictment targets locals allegedly hired by Mossad for espionage

Prosecutors allege defendants engaged in espionage on behalf of Mossad against foreign nationals living in Türkiye - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

Turkish police have detained 7 people suspected of selling information to the Israeli spy agency Mossad.

Turkey detains 7 suspected of spying for Israel

Suspects allegedly collected data on individuals and companies in Turkey and sold it to Mossad.

www.aljazeera.com

Turkiye arrests alleged Mossad financial operative​

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/turkey-arrests-alleged-mossad-financial-operative-2024-09-03/

and Turkiye kicked USA-Israel backed traitor FETO Members out of the Turkish Armed Forces


better worry about tiny Israel with 1,7 million muslim population
and surrounded by full of enemies from 4 sides

Turkish intelligence agency MIT is everywhere in the region

 

[Foinikas]

Wishful thinking on your part. No one from the EU is coming, trying to fight Turkey as an invading army, they would be thrown into the Sea just like their forefathers at Gallipoli.

Nobody cares about useless Israel in NATO except slave USA

On the contrary,the problem is Turks have become used to Westerners needing them.

Let me ask you a question: You see a genocide going on in Gaza and a takeover of Palestinian lands in the West Bank. No country has stood up against them military. The UN couldn't manage to impose sanctions on them. The entire EU cannot do something to stop this genocide.

What more proof do you need that Jews are actually ruling behind the world's biggest governments. Sure,some say they will recognize a Palestinian State. Do you think the Jewish lobby and international Zionism,would allow Israel to be threatened by Turkey?

In a question between Turkey and Israel's survival,the majority NATO countries,who are ZOG with freemason rulers and many paid and funded by Jewish magnates,will prefer to dissect Turkey,to Balkanize it. To take over whatever parts are strategic for them, instead of having "unreliable" partners ruling them,partners who could potentially ally with Russia/Iran and hinder their interests.

I promise you, if such a scenario ever comes, they are all getting nuked, before they make landfall in Anatolia. If the absurdity even even came close to coming true of all of the EU and whatever collectively attacking Turkey on Israel's behalf, the Turkish govt would by that time have an alternative arrangement outside of the NATO umbrella present, namely a weapons sharing agreement with Pakistan.

Do you actually believe Pakistan would doom itself by giving nuclear weapons to Turkey or fire nuclear weapons to save Turkey? That would automatically doom Pakistan,as USA,France and India would strike back with nukes.