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Pakistan army’s rocket firing was irrelevant and inconsequential. PAF stole the show by downing multiple Indian frontline jets and grounding the Indian Air Force for two days.

Pakistan Air Force wins in the air. Pakistan army generals lose on the ground. Predictable story of Pakistan military.
 
Falcon26 said:
Pakistan army’s rocket firing was irrelevant and inconsequential. PAF stole the show by downing multiple Indian frontline jets and grounding the Indian Air Force for two days.

Pakistan Air Force wins in the air. Pakistan army generals lose on the ground. Predictable story of Pakistan military.
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How dare you state this !!…😎

now the faujeets will try and send a vigo over the internet..
 
Falcon26 said:
Pakistan army’s rocket firing was irrelevant and inconsequential. PAF stole the show by downing multiple Indian frontline jets and grounding the Indian Air Force for two days.

Pakistan Air Force wins in the air. Pakistan army generals lose on the ground. Predictable story of Pakistan military.
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As the recent Iran-Israel war also proved, air-power is now the primary lead service and the most consequential force for modern warfare. I do think that the PA should be reduced slightly and the PAF should be massively increased in capability with those funds( in an ideal world you can increase the size of the air force without taking from the PA but Pakistan is an economic basket case unfortunately). The PAF alone can stop a war in its tracks before it fully starts, the PA cannot do that, or the Navy.
 
Ali_Baba said:
As the recent Iran-Israel war also proved, air-power is now the primary lead service and the most consequential force for modern warfare. I do think that the PA should be reduced slightly and the PAF should be massively increased in capability with those funds( in an ideal world you can increase the size of the air force without taking from the PA but Pakistan is an economic basket case unfortunately). The PAF alone can stop a war in its tracks before it fully starts, the PA cannot do that, or the Navy.
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Pakistan shares a massive land border. Ground forces still matter.
 
Rational Philosopher said:
Pakistan shares a massive land border. Ground forces still matter.
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In the age of nuclear weapons, I don't think it matters as much as it used to. People need to adjust for that reality. Future conflicts and wars between Pakistan and India will be aerial and naval, with both sides trying to land long distance punches at each other. The Pakistan Army simply does not matter as much as it once used to.
 
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Ali_Baba said:
In the age of nuclear weapons, I don't think it matters as much as it used to. People need to adjust for that reality. Future conflicts and wars between Pakistan and India will be aerial and naval, with both sides trying to land long distance punches at each other. The Pakistan Army simply does not matter as much as it once used to.
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The rocket force will keep 'em relevant, they will have more guided munitions than PAF and PN combined, with ranges exceeding 1500km.
 
Falcon26 said:
Pakistan army’s rocket firing was irrelevant and inconsequential. PAF stole the show by downing multiple Indian frontline jets and grounding the Indian Air Force for two days.

Pakistan Air Force wins in the air. Pakistan army generals lose on the ground. Predictable story of Pakistan military.
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You forgot to Add they took out 2 S400 radars at Bhuj and Adampur.
They turned LOC into nightmare for indian forces.
The rockets used waren't even 100.
They had a 150 kg warhead. You will need quite high resolution sat imagery to show the damage done by them.
Overall the response was strategic in nature, it wasn't for fireworks, it knocked India out, It's AD and radars all long the border took hits. It effectively opened India's sky for relentless bombing by pak, had the conflict continued.
You can look up the vids on X the rockets made impacts and quite well served their intended purpose
 
Falcon26 said:
Pakistan army’s rocket firing was irrelevant and inconsequential. PAF stole the show by downing multiple Indian frontline jets and grounding the Indian Air Force for two days.

Pakistan Air Force wins in the air. Pakistan army generals lose on the ground. Predictable story of Pakistan military.
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This aspect will be discussed after 50 yrs or more....the current environment here is not so conducive....we do not have our own version of Pravin Pravin Sawhney
 
falcon34 said:
You forgot to Add they took out 2 S400 radars at Bhuj and Adampur.
They turned LOC into nightmare for indian forces.
The rockets used waren't even 100.
They had a 150 kg warhead. You will need quite high resolution sat imagery to show the damage done by them.
Overall the response was strategic in nature, it wasn't for fireworks, it knocked India out, It's AD and radars all long the border took hits. It effectively opened India's sky for relentless bombing by pak, had the conflict continued.
You can look up the vids on X the rockets made impacts and quite well served their intended purpose
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PAF did Bhuj and Adampur. Fatah series Rockets had nothing to do with that.
LoC engagements were SH-15 and other Howitzers.
Absolutely no proof of any damage to any radar on Indian side. Just claims.
X vids show what? A plume of dust from 10 KM away without showing exact impact point. If X vids are DBA gauage then there are vids also showing carters in open fields where missiles completely missed there marks.
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A clear room of improvement is there in long range percison targeting and DBA.
 
Falcon26 said:
Pakistan army’s rocket firing was irrelevant and inconsequential. PAF stole the show by downing multiple Indian frontline jets and grounding the Indian Air Force for two days.

Pakistan Air Force wins in the air. Pakistan army generals lose on the ground. Predictable story of Pakistan military.
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Making politically driven statements in utter ignorance is predictable as well.

There was enough done on the LoC to where miles worth of territory was completely vacated with reported incursions into opposing side posts.

F1 strikes did not do what was expected because it was piecemeal launches.

Now the mixed results tactically having anything to do with political issues you feel badly about or otherwise. Historical poor performance at strategic decisions aside, throwing the baby out with the bathwater have no value to the discussion.
 
Falcon26 said:
Pakistan army’s rocket firing was irrelevant and inconsequential. PAF stole the show by downing multiple Indian frontline jets and grounding the Indian Air Force for two days.

Pakistan Air Force wins in the air. Pakistan army generals lose on the ground. Predictable story of Pakistan military.
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Well said. Atleast PA did not send pigeons.
 
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Their imagination derive from Hinduism. Wildest claims and stories.
 
Oscar said:
Making politically driven statements in utter ignorance is predictable as well.

There was enough done on the LoC to where miles worth of territory was completely vacated with reported incursions into opposing side posts.

F1 strikes did not do what was expected because it was piecemeal launches.

Now the mixed results tactically having anything to do with political issues you feel badly about or otherwise. Historical poor performance at strategic decisions aside, throwing the baby out with the bathwater have no value to the discussion.
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I think the problem is, LoC action is not as sexy as shooting down multiple fighter jets in our case, or in their case having good satellite imagery of hangars and building damaged.

Army could have done more to highlight the success of their SH-15
 
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