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[ToddE]

Agreed that Iranian IADs was crippled by Israel by insider agents and aeroballistic missiles.

IAF just refused to fight IADS. They instead went after Search n Track assets first with ALBMs/ALCMs/SOWS fired from safe distances inside Iraq + more devastating internal terrorist hired agents. TBH that was one hell of a plan by them.

But Regime needs Air force. If not they won't live too much. I don't know if Trump would eventually pave the way with huge secondary sanctions to Russia or even China. But IRIAF It is a key asset for Regime survival.

There is no other alternative.

IRI has no money or time to rebuild IRIAF. I see nothing happening on that front. Even if they place an order of some 100 Air superiority jets, it will take like ~5 years to complete the order. The comes training and adaptation period which is even more time consuming. IRGCAF performed brilliantly in the 12 day war with their non stop strikes inside Israel at will. One of the top most armed to teeth Missile force in the world with highest most combat experience globally. Illiterate leadership will throw money to IRGCAF for this simple reason. Retarded plan altogether to leave skies open.

 

[Flotilla]

Soldiers Follow orders! there are lot of occasions where missions are flown with knowledge that they may never return. but they do it! for the country.

Against USAAF/USN look how Vietnam with ancient tech flew and fought - yes, they took losses yes! but their name is engraved in history! there Valor their courage! in times when everything seems lost/gloomy - you need heroes! so as a Nation can stand up!

you have heroes! those who manned Air defenses when they knew they will die. still fought. you have heroes who took the missile launchers out and fired at the entity!

celebrate them with honor! that they deserve.

In the back of the vietnamese Air force was the whole soviet union. Poor IRIAF doesn't have such support, training or fighters (Mig21 was a peer adversary for the F4).

Any IRIAF pilot will give his life whenever there is a chance to fight back or win a Battle (not even a war!). But everybody knows that right now the IRIAF it is not only oudated. It is completely alone. And without long range IADs would be useless any sacrifice.

If Regime wants to survive they need new and high number of new fighters.

The best IRIAF decision was to clear the Air bases and keep as much as personnel and fighters possible.

F4, F5 and even Mig29 can be very useful for a future renewed Air force, but they re a bit less than useless against Israel and US. Remember US was supporting the Air campaign with first hand real time information from AEW satellites.

Ukranian Air force never answer RuAF in direct kinetic Air combat and IRIAF did very well preserving their assets.

 

[ShapurII]

سپاه با موشکاش می‌تونه این کشورا رو نابود کنه چون هیچ‌کدومشون پدافند هوایی در حد اسرائیل ندارن....... مشکل اینه که پدافند خود ایران از دور می‌خوره واسه همینه که یه نیروی هوایی قوی با جنگنده‌های درست‌وحسابی لازمه تا قبل از این‌که تهدید برسه آسمون ایران جمعش کنه.

اون هم شدنی نیست
نابود کردن یه کشور در سایز اسرائیل با موشک اون هم به شرط بازدارندگی اتمی داشتن شدنی هست اما هیچ کدوم از خطرات جدی کنار دست ما با موشک نابود نمی‌شن. فقط کافیه هزینه‌های بسیار زیاد اقتصادی رو تحمل کنن
و اگر به هر شکلی کار به درگیری زمینی برسه، ما بدون نیروهوایی حتی نمی‌تونیم نیروهامون رو تو کشوری به پهناوری ایران جابجا کنیم​

 

[Persian Gulf]

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[Shafagh]

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Yes, acquire whatever you can. Iran needs some semblance of air force, whatever it is.

If you are facing drones, then launch patrols with F5s flying at low altitude.

 

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these claims embarrass the air force even more

 

[Shafagh]

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these claims embarrass the air force even more

Well... claiming to have detected and locked onto Israeli jets is more digestible than the F35 downing story.

IRIAF can still have a fighting chance if they upgrade the Migs with Zhuk ME radar and SMT package, and then acquire some SU 27s.

-Mig 29SMT
-SU 27
-Kowsar
-F14

This fleet would present some form of aerial capability, albeit weak. It's better than no air force at all.

Save the rest of the fleet for low altitude patrols and drone hunting in the eastern provinces.

 

[Shafagh]

The attack on Syria lasted 12 years and involved multiple NATO countries plus the gulf Arabs.
I am sorry, but this isnt the win you think it is.

And then in the end it took 1 general to sell out and pull his forces back, and Syria went down in a flaming wreck. The Syrian military did not even fight back.

Iran already has helicopters and troops can easily be garrisoned, in hot spots.
Iran has plenty of mobile AA

Iran is flying 50 year old Bell helicopters and Chinooks, with a few Mi8s. What mobile AA are you referring to? Hertz 9? Azarakhsh? It is no guarantee those simple short range systems can provide adequate protection from OTH weapons and ASMs. Even small drones are difficult to track and hit, and Iran does not have mass produced modern SPAAG.

My God, you jews are bad at this.

Why do you have to name call like this?

 

[Flotilla]

Save the rest of the fleet for low altitude patrols and drone hunting in the eastern provinces.

Using light combat aircrafts in eastern provinces is more than enough to tackle with terrorists groups or skirmishes.

But beware. You need a high performance aircraft to operate in western areas. Just because any flying F5/Kowsar it is a sitting duck in front of F15/35 connected with AEW&C systems.

So even if you enjoy light CAS aircrafts built inside Irán, you finally will need a high energy superiority fighter to operate with confidence inside your own airspace.

I am sure that IRIAF will enjoy some new fighters. You don´t build a underground air base and renew some of the most important airfields just for a bunch of new F5/Kowsars.

 

[Shafagh]

I am sure that IRIAF will enjoy some new fighters. You don´t build a underground air base and renew some of the most important airfields just for a bunch of new F5/Kowsars.

Yes because they thought they were getting Su 35, but Russia is dragging their feet on deliveries. Last report was only 2 of them were delivered disassembled, and even this claim is speculative.

At least buy Su 27s and start an indigenous modernization program to introduce Iranian avionics.

I remember a couple years ago, Kazakhstan was looking to sell some of their Mig 31s. It was another missed opportunity for IRIAF. They need to be actively procuring whatever they can before the arms embargo is reinstated.

 

[BigMela2onin]

I remember a couple years ago, Kazakhstan was looking to sell some of their Mig 31s. It was another missed opportunity for IRIAF. They need to be actively procuring whatever they can before the arms embargo is reinstated.

I believe they were bought by the US, most likely so that they couldn't be sold to Iran.

 

[Kyussis]

I believe they were bought by the US, most likely so that they couldn't be sold to Iran.

Those were "Fulcrum C" nuclear capable MiG-29 9-13s from Moldova.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Those were "Fulcrum C" nuclear capable MiG-29 9-13s from Moldova.

U.S. Buys 81 Soviet-Era Combat Aircraft from Kazakhstan, Potentially for Supply to Ukraine - Defence Security Asia

In October last year, the Kazakh government advertised the sale of 117 fighter and bomber aircraft acquired during its time as part of the Soviet Union.

defencesecurityasia.com

The articles from 2024 speculates that it was to provide them to Ukraine but that hasn't happened. Apparently they sold to the US at $20k per airframe!

 

[sahureka2]

U.S. Buys 81 Soviet-Era Combat Aircraft from Kazakhstan, Potentially for Supply to Ukraine - Defence Security Asia

In October last year, the Kazakh government advertised the sale of 117 fighter and bomber aircraft acquired during its time as part of the Soviet Union.

defencesecurityasia.com

The articles from 2024 speculates that it was to provide them to Ukraine but that hasn't happened. Apparently they sold to the US at $20k per airframe!

but in the article they omit to write what is foreseen in the sale, I attach the Kazakh article from 2023 which indicates:
https://zhalagash-zharshysy.kz/aqparat/qazaqstanda-117-zhojghysh-ushaq-zharamsyz-bolyp-qaldy/
"It is subject to electronic tendering with the condition of disposal through cutting and disposal within the territory of the Republic of Kazakhstan. The main condition is its complete destruction," Ministry specialists say.

 

[Arkan55]

And then in the end it took 1 general to sell out and pull his forces back, and Syria went down in a flaming wreck. The Syrian military did not even fight back.

What are you talking about?
They were literally bombed to shit by the Americans along with the whole of NATO.
Not sure, how you are going to pass 12 years long campaign that took the collective might of NATO along with a ton of mercenaries to FINALLY take out Syria as a HUGE win.
This is not the flex you think it is.