Opinion: India Pakistan near conflict - Escalation management non-existent

[RajaBaja]

Sir what about Pakistan? how many times we have switched laps ? (Massomana sawal hy)

Good question. Pakistan has been in two camps from the beginning, the US and China. As Indian influence started to come in, they distanced themselves from Pakistan. Historically, the US would do things in a joint way and then pull back. That's what we told Trump in FM's meeting also that we don't want this love-hate stuff and want trade and business relations that are solid.

Due to US pulling back and putting sanctions on and off, we are almost in the Chinese camp as our 80% defense products now come from China. The remainder 20% is Turkey, some parts from the US and some small projects with other nations.

With China, the relationship is historical and solid. Only getting stronger by the day.

 

[RajaBaja]

Based on studying Israeli and Indian tactics, it's now clear they'll always lie and play deception in pretty much everything.

This saga of making Xi / China as friends, seems like a plot designed in an Israeli war tactics book. Where, you have a two front war scenario you can't fight. So you make the bigger enemy your temporary friend and make sure you can fool them enough in believing the relationship is now friends only. The hostility is gone. That changes China's war calculus and this then gives the Indian military full availability to fight Pakistan and try to take revenge for May's humiliation and take it as far or longer as possible because there will not be a two front war.

When dust is settled, at the end, India and China will not resolve their issues so things will go back to how they were, hostile! But for a big conflict, they split the enemy from 2 front to only 1 front to maintain focus and all power towards that conflict. This is how I see it.

@NA71 @PK781 @Hakikat ve Hikmet @PAKISTANFOREVER @Pakistan Space Agency @Hakwa Nadro

 

[PK781]

Based on studying Israeli and Indian tactics, it's now clear they'll always lie and play deception in pretty much everything.

This saga of making Xi / China as friends, seems like a plot designed in an Israeli war tactics book. Where, you have a two front war scenario you can't fight. So you make the bigger enemy your temporary friend and make sure you can fool them enough in believing the relationship is now friends only. The hostility is gone. That changes China's war calculus and this then gives the Indian military full availability to fight Pakistan and try to take revenge for May's humiliation and take it as far or longer as possible because there will not be a two front war.

When dust is settled, at the end, India and China will not resolve their issues so things will go back to how they were, hostile! But for a big conflict, they split the enemy from 2 front to only 1 front to maintain focus and all power towards that conflict. This is how I see it.

@NA71 @PK781 @Hakikat ve Hikmet @PAKISTANFOREVER @Pakistan Space Agency @Hakwa Nadro

nah my brother, I think you're underestimating the Chinese Govt.
They're much more smarter than the Indians and know all the games being played. They can't be fooled by idiots in Delhi.
Ofcourse that doesn't mean that we drop the ball in preparation for the next/eventual round......its coming sooner or later.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Based on studying Israeli and Indian tactics, it's now clear they'll always lie and play deception in pretty much everything.

This saga of making Xi / China as friends, seems like a plot designed in an Israeli war tactics book. Where, you have a two front war scenario you can't fight. So you make the bigger enemy your temporary friend and make sure you can fool them enough in believing the relationship is now friends only. The hostility is gone. That changes China's war calculus and this then gives the Indian military full availability to fight Pakistan and try to take revenge for May's humiliation and take it as far or longer as possible because there will not be a two front war.

When dust is settled, at the end, India and China will not resolve their issues so things will go back to how they were, hostile! But for a big conflict, they split the enemy from 2 front to only 1 front to maintain focus and all power towards that conflict. This is how I see it.

@NA71 @PK781 @Hakikat ve Hikmet @PAKISTANFOREVER @Pakistan Space Agency @Hakwa Nadro

Powerplay. Lie low and be nice UNTIL you are strong enough to take down your enemies.

 

[NA71]

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[RajaBaja]

India is internally having a debate to reduce it's Army's size and re-allocate those funds towards Missiles and Aircrafts. This trend of using superior air power in the world started back in the first Gulf War I, which was a practical show of modern airpower working on AWACS based battle space management systems.

The May's air war between Pakistan and India was the latest and the largest air war between comparable assets and battle space management systems.

If India invests heavily in it's airforce and missile systems, what will be it's ramifications on Pakistan? What will our needs look like to acquire systems to counter Indian massive expansion in all three domains, that is the aircrafts, the SAM systems and the offensive missile capability. Kindly give your opinions and watch what the Indian side is suggesting as a future strategy.

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@MH.Yang @Michael @nang2 @chinasun @iblini @pwfi @Hakikat ve Hikmet @Hakwa Nadro @NA71 @MirageV3ff @PAKISTANFOREVER @Pakistan Space Agency @Master Chief @TAC

 

[Ali_Baba]

India is internally having a debate to reduce it's Army's size and re-allocate those funds towards Missiles and Aircrafts. This trend of using superior air power in the world started back in the first Gulf War I, which was a practical show of modern airpower working on AWACS based battle space management systems.

The May's air war between Pakistan and India was the latest and the largest air war between comparable assets and battle space management systems.

If India invests heavily in it's airforce and missile systems, what will be it's ramifications on Pakistan? What will our needs look like to acquire systems to counter Indian massive expansion in all three domains, that is the aircrafts, the SAM systems and the offensive missile capability. Kindly give your opinions and watch what the Indian side is suggesting as a future strategy.

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@MH.Yang @Michael @nang2 @chinasun @iblini @pwfi @Hakikat ve Hikmet @Hakwa Nadro @NA71 @MirageV3ff @PAKISTANFOREVER @Pakistan Space Agency @Master Chief @TAC

Maybe in India they can have some of those discussions and make a strategic decision and a strategic choice to change their direction of travel of the priority of their services, relative to the priorities of the country.

Can the same be done in Pakistan, where Pakistan Army is the one that calls "all" of the shots ? Will the Pakistan Army really say, yes, the Airforce is now the lead service based on the recent conflicts? Will it really allow the funding flows to change to reflect that ? That is really the question.

The centricity of the Army across multiple decision making process in Pakistan is a problem unfortunately, especially on economic and political growth processes.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

India is internally having a debate to reduce it's Army's size and re-allocate those funds towards Missiles and Aircrafts. This trend of using superior air power in the world started back in the first Gulf War I, which was a practical show of modern airpower working on AWACS based battle space management systems.

The May's air war between Pakistan and India was the latest and the largest air war between comparable assets and battle space management systems.

If India invests heavily in it's airforce and missile systems, what will be it's ramifications on Pakistan? What will our needs look like to acquire systems to counter Indian massive expansion in all three domains, that is the aircrafts, the SAM systems and the offensive missile capability. Kindly give your opinions and watch what the Indian side is suggesting as a future strategy.

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@MH.Yang @Michael @nang2 @chinasun @iblini @pwfi @Hakikat ve Hikmet @Hakwa Nadro @NA71 @MirageV3ff @PAKISTANFOREVER @Pakistan Space Agency @Master Chief @TAC

Pakistan seriously needs to boost it's air defence systems and ballistic missile defence system too.

 

[kambhakt]

You clearly have no clue about reality...... do you? Here are the conditions to be in the "global south" that India has agreed to and Modi has said he'll talk to his cabinet to make policies on.

1) Peace, from Chinese border issues to peace with Pakistan on permanent basis and a mechanism of dialogues ONLY. Peace has no other meaning. Must be accomplished.

2) SAFETY of CHINESE NATIONALS: India to immediately STOP all terrorism related activities in Baluchistan and must respect Chinese interests. Indian funded proxies like TTP and BLA have killed Chinese citizens and India uses them to negatively effect the CPEC project. That's major Chinese investment.

3) India to join BRI. The Chinese leaders have pointed out years of "uncommitted" behavior by the Indians in BRICS and SCO. So if India now wants to jump into "global south" it needs to show commitment to SCO by doing the above.

@Hakikat ve Hikmet @TOPGUN @MirageV3ff @Hakwa Nadro @PAKISTANFOREVER @NA71

Can you give a link to this agreement.

 

[RajaBaja]

Can you give a link to this agreement.

Shouldn't you ask Modi? But people connected with your leadership know it and report on it.

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[iblini]

Those are funny thoughts, by the way!

So what are Uyghurs, a Turkic-speaking people, doing in China if the basis is religion? Why not give northwest China independence and let them govern themselves, if you truly believe in that idea?

When the Qing dynasty expanded west in the 18th century, Uyghur-majority areas were absorbed into the Chinese empire

do you believe based on religion - land shoud get devided?

Han and Tang dynasty, silk road, search for these keywords, the Han Chinese were there and set up governor, station troops when the Uyghur weren't even existed as a race.

 

[kambhakt]

Shouldn't you ask Modi? But people connected with your leadership know it and report on it.

Neither of these youtube channels are connected to our leadership.

 

[RajaBaja]

Neither of these youtube channels are connected to our leadership.

Praven S. is well connected. Isn't he an ex-IA officer?

But let's make it easier, Victor Gao has said it on many media appearances "don't take our partnership with Pakistan lightly". So if India wants to be China's trading partner on "friendly terms", that route goes through a peaceful Pak-India relationship. These nations don't need to become friends and trade, they just don't need to go to war.

One thing about China is, they are very clear about who a friend and enemy is. It's not like India that for 60 years, you spent billions to get ready to go to war with China and one sunny day, you decided to call them friends.

For the Chinese, if they want to be on friendly terms with India, it will mean they don't want to go against India and that's very respectful. It would mean India will commit to peace with Pakistan so some regional stability can take place and everyone goes to trade and grow economy.

Problem is, India doesn't want this relationship. It just needed a photo op with Xi to upset Trump. India's strategy has always been "Shake Peter's hands to make Paul empty out his pockets in anger" so India can make some more!

 

[kambhakt]

Praven S. is well connected. Isn't he an ex-IA officer?

But let's make it easier, Victor Gao has said it on many media appearances "don't take our partnership with Pakistan lightly". So if India wants to be China's trading partner on "friendly terms", that route goes through a peaceful Pak-India relationship. These nations don't need to become friends and trade, they just don't need to go to war.

One thing about China is, they are very clear about who a friend and enemy is. It's not like India that for 60 years, you spent billions to get ready to go to war with China and one sunny day, you decided to call them friends.

For the Chinese, if they want to be on friendly terms with India, it will mean they don't want to go against India and that's very respectful. It would mean India will commit to peace with Pakistan so some regional stability can take place and everyone goes to trade and grow economy.

Problem is, India doesn't want this relationship. It just needed a photo op with Xi to upset Trump. India's strategy has always been "Shake Peter's hands to make Paul empty out his pockets in anger" so India can make some more!

Pravin Sawney being an ex - IA officer does not make him connected to leadership.

India is already a trading partner of China. Trade is trade. Friendly terms or Enemy terms does not matter. China trades with the USA. USA trades with China. No friendly terms there. USA purchases fertilizer from Russia. No friendly terms there.

You guys don't mix sports with politics and we don't mix trade with politics.

 

[RajaBaja]

Pravin Sawney being an ex - IA officer does not make him connected to leadership.

India is already a trading partner of China. Trade is trade. Friendly terms or Enemy terms does not matter. China trades with the USA. USA trades with China. No friendly terms there. USA purchases fertilizer from Russia. No friendly terms there.

You guys don't mix sports with politics and we don't mix trade with politics.

None of what you said was the topic! The main issue is, to be "friends" with China, XI and his FM has told you to follow a set of instructions. When those check boxes will be checked, the discussion will move forward. The top of those instructions are to resolve border disputes in the neighborhood, both with China and Pakistan.

India is just buying time per Israel's command. They wanted to take the bigger power out of the two front war scenario to focus on Pakistan alone. Chinese know this strategy very well. It's a "temporary" friendship not to involve China pretending to be good trade partners. Later, India will go back to who runs their economy, that's Trump!