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[mythbuster]

Ill do it in front of you so we don’t get your lies
And Ill use perplexity since its run by an Indian as well who Modi hugged too.

Prompt:
Provide a clear view of Alan warnes objectivity as an aviation journalist.
Including aspects of his relationship with Pakistan Air Force
his past articles
And his overall objectivity on all other matters.


Response:

Overall Objectivity and Reputation​

As editor of AirForces Monthly, Warnes is recognized for turning the publication into a leading military aviation magazine. His reputation is that of a knowledgeable and prolific journalist and author in the aviation defense field. However, his perceived close ties to the PAF have led to claims he acts as a de facto PR agent or propaganda asset for Pakistan’s military narrative. Indian defense communities on social media describe him as biased, accusing him of amplifying Pakistani narratives without adequate verification. Warnes himself rejects allegations of bribery or compromised integrity, but his pattern of favorable coverage towards PAF and selective reporting in Indo-Pak conflicts raises legitimate questions about complete objectivity in that context. Outside of PAF-related topics, his work is generally respected within the military aviation journalism sphere.

In summary, Alan Warnes is an experienced aviation journalist with deep expertise and significant influence, though his objectivity is questioned especially in relation to his coverage of the Pakistan Air Force, where his reporting often reflects the PAF’s perspective, drawing criticism and allegations of partiality from rival defense communities and observers.”

Surprisingly fair answer by perplexity

 

[Oscar]

Surprisingly fair answer by perplexity

It’s a good tool. Now watch raj dismiss perplexity

 

[Oscar]

Let's always give credit where it is due........Rafale is a good platform no question about it......and it wasn't just employed poorly by India, but rather also out gunned by PAF.

Meaning, in the omni-role solo fighter doing everything on its own profile that Dassault touted as, Rafales failed to protect themselves against PL15 threats.

Had they done the initial strike from a further 100km away, chances of Rafales been shot down would have been far less.

Poor tactics by IAF and failure of Rafale to be able to defend itself solo. It just can't.

Employed poorly means you let a good system go into a bad scenario based on poor intel.

If it was outgunned it was also IAFs fault to not know the scenario it faced

 

[rafale]

Employed poorly means you let a good system go into a bad scenario based on poor intel.

If it was outgunned it was also IAFs fault to not know the scenario it faced

Agreed.


Meanwhile i am still expecting a detailed post by you on why SPECTRA failed or was ineffective?.....Since it is literally the most hyped thing on Rafales......... like the role it played or not played? Possible theories.

 

[Liquidator]

He is known to paf supporter from many years. As said nothing new. You will not find his tweeter post with any credibility..

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If this a a source for him to get the information, what do you expect - means speaking to airforce chief, he confirmed - so what would expected he would not repeat the claims..

As said, he known with no credibility.

This is a stupidity, like example any reporter spoken to IAF Chief and he. Claimed 5 af down by IAF, and the reporter happily tweeting it.... Here’s the nuance:

If a journalist only repeats what an Air Force Chief (or any authority figure) says, without checking facts, context, or offering independent analysis → that’s not journalism, that’s just acting as a messenger.

A credible, independent reporter would:

Quote the official statement, but

Add verification (cross-checking with evidence, other sources, satellite imagery, open-source intelligence, eyewitnesses, etc.)

Mention that “this is a claim” and not an independently verified fact.

What kind of neutral and independent reporter posts it - one sided tweets about one airforce

History is written by the victor.

Pakistan has the PRIVILEGE to

- Say whatever the fu*ck it likes
- Whenever it fu*cking likes
- To whoever it fu*cking likes
- however it fu*cking likes

As the victor, it's word is all the proof the world needs. They'll listen to the victor as victory grants them that PRIVILEGE.

As the LOOSER best for you to remain silent to save further embarrassment. All analysts are talking about the PAF presentation.

Nobody gives a flying toss about the Indians, with their famous "losses are a part of war" & "it's not important how many got shot down but why they got shot down" anecdotes.

Also, another thing, the PAF are better looking than you ugly bastar**s.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Russia wants to buy back the two S-400 system that it sold to Turkey in 2020 for $2.5 billion dollars. Most of the Russian S-400 systems have either been destroyed by Ukraine or severely depleted due to the part shortages. Turkish S-400 system has not be deployed and now it needs updates. The Turkish acquisition of US built F-35 is delayed because it bought S-400 air defense from Russia since US refused the Patriot anti-missile defense systems. Now Turkey has leverage to re-enter the F-35 program and also buy the update F-16s.

Turkieye has built the equivalent IADS, so it does not really need them anymore. They can either train Syria to use them, or sell them to Russia as you say.

 

[ThrustVector998]

He is known to paf supporter from many years. As said nothing new. You will not find his tweeter post with any credibility..

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If this a a source for him to get the information, what do you expect - means speaking to airforce chief, he confirmed - so what would expected he would not repeat the claims..

As said, he known with no credibility.

This is a stupidity, like example any reporter spoken to IAF Chief and he. Claimed 5 af down by IAF, and the reporter happily tweeting it.... Here’s the nuance:

If a journalist only repeats what an Air Force Chief (or any authority figure) says, without checking facts, context, or offering independent analysis → that’s not journalism, that’s just acting as a messenger.

A credible, independent reporter would:

Quote the official statement, but

Add verification (cross-checking with evidence, other sources, satellite imagery, open-source intelligence, eyewitnesses, etc.)

Mention that “this is a claim” and not an independently verified fact.

What kind of neutral and independent reporter posts it - one sided tweets about one airforce

If you're sure he's biased and promoting fake PAF claims, why don't you ask your air force to show the current status of the 4 Rafales, just line them up for a photoshoot like you did for the S400 launchers, whats stopping you here?

 

[TAC]

I’m simply questioning his neutral credibility—nothing more.

If a genuinely independent and reputable media outlet had published such claims, then I might consider them credible.

But from what I’ve seen, the most independent outlets only reported with caution, using terms like “Pakistan claims” or “India claims”—and that’s exactly the right approach.

A few reports did mention confirmation from neutral sources, but even then, they framed it cautiously, saying “2–3 aircraft” rather than giving absolute numbers.

I haven’t seen any credible independent media outlet confirm the downing of six planes. Most just quoted the claims and referred to Trump’s statement or Pakistan government.

They didn’t have / get anywhere near the access / insights Alan has been given by PAF. No doubt he has a good relationship with PAF but he is not on their payroll and is a thorough professional. Just because much of what he reports is too painful to accept does not render it untrue. In fact it fits in very well with Pakistan’s consistent claims much of which are backed by evidence and in contrast India’s evasive flip flopping and contradictory, incomplete & inconsistent narratives.

 

[Master Chief]

Without hard evidence, nothing can be accepted.

Basic common sense but then common sense isn’t so common among south Asians.

Hyphenation of all south asians together is considered highly offensive in a particular south asian nation.

 

[Master Chief]

I’m simply questioning his neutral credibility—nothing more.

If a genuinely independent and reputable media outlet had published such claims, then I might consider them credible.

But from what I’ve seen, the most independent outlets only reported with caution, using terms like “Pakistan claims” or “India claims”—and that’s exactly the right approach.

A few reports did mention confirmation from neutral sources, but even then, they framed it cautiously, saying “2–3 aircraft” rather than giving absolute numbers.

I haven’t seen any credible independent media outlet confirm the downing of six planes. Most just quoted the claims and referred to Trump’s statement or Pakistan government.

Then why stress over the matter?

You don't question the Delhi narrative(s). Teekh hain. We are happy your upper echelons of military management are not under any scrutiny whatsoever. Please keep them in their jobs.

Everyone wins this way.

Think of us as fans of every football club but Manchester United, who are extremely happy that Manchester United deny the existence of any problem, despite the results laid bare in front of them, and simply retain Ruben Amorim as their manager.

 

[Master Chief]

Entire Indian establishment and Modi were shell shocked , you don't ground your entire airforce for downing of few aircrafts...... truth will come out soon but crestfallen Indians will take a dip in Ganges and come up with an excuse

Sir, Suryakumar Yadav was explicitly deployed to give Pakistan the "response" (his words, not mine) that Rafales could not.

Win by 7 wickets is a befitting response to 7 downed aircraft and hindustani qom is now satisfied.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

The British haven't lost all of their imperial reflexes yet. Although they speak with a forked tongue, it still requires cold blooded logic and observation to understand a matter. Kudos to Alan Warne...

 

[PakistaniDefender]

In the early morning of May 10, a JF-17C Thunder Block 3 of 14 Sqn ‘Tail Choppers’ departed Rafiqui on a deadly Destruction of Enemy Air Defence (DEAD) mission, to destroy the S-400 system deployed to Adampur. As the JF-17 headed towards the target, the S-400’s radars were being saturated by a substantial amount of jamming and other electronic warfare methods. At the same time, the JF-17 was spitting out decoys coupled with evasive manoeuvres.

As it got inside the S-400’s firing range, the pilot was ordered to fire his CM400AKGs. He flew well inside the Rafale’s Meteor’s MAR but thankfully for the pilot, there was no resistance. According to the PAF, the CM-400AKGs scored a direct hit on the ‘Cheese Board’ low altitude tracker and ‘Big Bird’ early warning and broad surveillance radars, and as a result put the S-400 missile launchers out of action. Three days later, the Indian PM, Narendra Modi, visited Adampur AFS, where he posed for a photo in front of a S-400 missile system to show that it was still operational. But as the PAF Commander said: “They didn’t show him with the radar systems – without them it is useless.” The CM-400AKG is China’s long-range air-launched air-to-ground weapon, powered by a solid-fuel rocket that can reach supersonic speeds of Mach 5. It is passive, so doesn’t need to be guided onto the target by radar. The range of the S-400 missiles (up to 400km) is the same as the JF-17’s CM-400AKG. As the senior officer told me: “To get inside the range of an S-400 radar and come back alive is quite an achievement because you are giving the missile a chance to shoot you down. You must employ your game plan and the maximum range you can go. We employ scenarios through ACE and Combat Commanders School (CCS), flying them regularly again and again as we do on the squadrons.” So, what happened was no different than what the PAF had trained for. Similarly, the PAF gave a crippling blow to the IAF by destroying the IACCS at Barnala.

No mention of the S400 at Bhuj??

 

[Yousafzai_M]

Who is this Alan guy? and why is he being given access to such sensitive areas?

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Sir, Suryakumar Yadav was explicitly deployed to give Pakistan the "response" (his words, not mine) that Rafales could not.

Win by 7 wickets is a befitting response to 7 downed aircraft and hindustani qom is now satisfied.

I have personally no problem with that! Stopped watching cricket matches a long time back for all the fun and excitement is in the "air matches". The Pak cricket team fills you with a melancholy while the PAF fills you with ecstasy. Even a psychotic folk knows who to choose: the Bharatis their cricket team, and the Paks their air force.....