PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[RajaBaja]

@RajaBaja

dear: can you list down top 10 major problems in Pak. in aero. sector?!

have you ever worked in an aero sector?

are you a professional aero. engineer or atleast aspire to be one?!

are you really aware of latest aero. developments?

IDK, your posts have loads of 'pre-assembled' words (portraying no thinking before words were generated!)

Dear - I don't give my intro on some online forum for very important reasons. Secondly, confusing questions, they go from asking if I am educated in aerospace..... to..... if I know anything about aviation industry . It's clear you aren't reading my posts, or understanding them? Kindly read a few posts again a couple of times, you'll find some critical details. Your question are loaded, so the response will be a full analysis, sorry for the lengthy post.

On my credentials, I am just an ordinary individual that comes here to kill time. But if you must know, you can refer to me as a professional in the areas I write about and highly qualified Alhamdulilah. There is lots of experience at very high levels not needed for discussion here.

You asked to write TEN things wrong about Pakistan's aerospace sector, I assume you mean military not commercial. For starters, there is no real "aviation industry" in Pakistan. So there are no 10 things wrong. Everything is wrong because we need this industry and also built on the latest standards like you see me writing about. Also, I won't use the term "aerospace" because the "space" sector is very limited so "aviation" may be a better term.

- Our military aviation industry is like an infant. It's now starting with first success being JF-17 at current level with PL-15, doing all workhorse duties for Pakistan. Since it was our first step into aviation industry, delays, education and learning gap, bad economy, etc, caused issues. But the project is a success. We gained critical know how and are now building majority of this aircraft here without the threat of any sanctions that alone is very big. It needed to be much ahead in technology R&D if our economy was better.

- We can have a bright future if we can foresee properly our threat environment (India, Israel weapon acquisitions) like I write about, assess our requirements, and take steps in fulfilling them. 5th gen is the latest standard. That must be introduced in Pakistan's aviation even slowly.

CRITICAL: I know some have issues with this 5th gen talk, especially a couple of our Chinese members. But they will proudly tell you that the main difference between them and the USA is that Chinese tech base is advanced with latest systems while the US has a huge wealth of legacy systems as old as 50 years! VERY True!

Because Chinese military really took off in 2000's and on the latest standard, which was 4th gen then. That's exactly why Pakistan needs to venture into this latest set of technologies too. We need our people trained in China or Turkey on real projects, and execute in steps some technology buildout here even under license but the latest 5th gen tech is a must! This process or capability improvement is an engineering model referred to as CMM (capability maturity model), there are other models out there also, all do the same thing.

Good thing is, Pakistan's military leadership is very focused on advance technologies, whether build slowly in components fashion similar to JF-17 approach, but build in Pakistan eventually. They also want a long term solution, a local advance fighter FREE of ANY foreign dependence to meet our defense needs and collaborate for future tech and enhancements.

If there was no Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Elon Musk and many others, the US economy may be half of what it is today. So you need a vision of the future. Whether you have money or not. You understand the future (threat picture, our airforce's requirements and direction) and you start taking action, divine help also comes. 5th gen is the vision here to meet our defense needs, slowly and steadily!

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

And now you have those nukes to guarantee they won't be sitting in cockpits in India.

Even so, do you think China would let Israel and India man handle Pakistan? Israel the nation that has been one of the promoters of countless anti-China narratives and propaganda operations and institutions for the last 2 decades at least?

If there comes a day there are Israel F-35s in India for whatever reason for such a development, China would know from a 10,000 miles away. Israeli operated F-35s in India is fair game for Chinese operated J-20s in Pakistan. Such a scenario will never happen though.

I am not opposed to PAF getting some pilots trained up well with J-35 in preparation for J-35s eventually getting into PAF. I'd love that. But this isn't something to show. It needs to be done in the shadows and without India's awareness. There's no point in aggravating India, a much wealthier and larger nation than Pakistan.

When India finds itself operating 5th gen, PAF can quickly find itself receiving J-35 and mysteriously being very well trained with the J-35 and its weapons, with good tactics already well formed and practised.

you're emotional man you're not talking logically, Israel want to destroy Pakistani nuclear facilities from day one, and just after the creation of Israel in 48 then prime minster of Israel ( can't remember his name) speak that the biggest hurdle/threat of security of Israel is Pakistan's nuclear capability And should be destroy as soon as possible, there is a you tube clip on this speech, Israel's No 1 aim is to destroy Pakistani nuclear capability since its creation

and as sending J-20 to counter Israeli F-35 in India, this isa pure speculation and nonsense by you, J-20 is China's strategic weapon, you can't throw your top secret tech in front spy from western countries and from India, at best China can sent J-35 to counter Israeli F-35 in India

and we want J-35 before India will have 5th gen (most possibly Su-57) because we know after acquiring 5th gen jet first thing India will do to attack Pakistani nuclear facilities and without 5th gen jet Pakistan is helpless in front of India

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Israel is a real threat to Turkey and Pakistan. GCC is all future and based on their own desire to establish mutual defense or not. ...

Turkiye has the largest embassy of Zion on its territory, a good trade partner as well as a weapons supplier to Zion. I think Turkiye can look after itself and they don't need anyone's else.

GCC proudly want to be remain America's puppet nations. They like being America's puppet nations. They are more than willing to eliminate Palestine in return for security guarantees for the GCC monarchies. They are a group of pathetic nations blessed with too much wealth. They will not mind more Zionist attacks on their territories against Palestinians as long as the monarchies are safe. It's that simply.

For the first 2 decades of this century, the US and Europe used India to maintain pressure on Pakistan so it did not launch another Mujahedeen campaign like it did against the Soviet Union, to oust NATO from Afghanistan.

Those same nations have encouraged Zion to use India once again against Pakistan, so Pakistan remains bogged down between India and Afghanistan so Pakistani military support for Palestine and Iran can be limited.

That just frees Zion to single out Iran for its long-term military campaign.

Iran would love to see Turkiye and Pakistan by it's side but Turkiye national interests lie with NATO first, Europe second while Pakistan Iran need some military interoperability which is nowhere to be seen.

 

[RajaBaja]

And now you have those nukes to guarantee they won't be sitting in cockpits in India.

You are using the "nukes" comment probably the 2nd or 3rd time in your posts. The world won't allow you to use nukes. These aren't "tennis balls" you throw at each other playing cricket. You first have to fight conventionally like we did in May and you hope the other side will give you time to escalate per "your choice". Apply this logic in your mind.

Secondly, I think you or someone commented "why would Israel send it's aircrafts to India". Is this a serious question? Does Israel care with American on it's back?

Israel will carry out many secret operations using F-35's in peace time way before India gets its SU-57's. So our strategy calls for a counter.

Turkiye has the largest embassy of Zion on its territory, a good trade partner as well as a weapons supplier to Zion. I think Turkiye can look after itself and they don't need anyone's else.

GCC proudly want to be remain America's puppet nations. They like being America's puppet nations. They are more than willing to eliminate Palestine in return for security guarantees for the GCC monarchies. They are a group of pathetic nations blessed with too much wealth. They will not mind more Zionist attacks on their territories against Palestinians as long as the monarchies are safe. It's that simply.

For the first 2 decades of this century, the US and Europe used India to maintain pressure on Pakistan so it did not launch another Mujahedeen campaign like it did against the Soviet Union, to oust NATO from Afghanistan.

Those same nations have encouraged Zion to use India once again against Pakistan, so Pakistan remains bogged down between India and Afghanistan so Pakistani military support for Palestine and Iran can be limited.

That just frees Zion to single out Iran for its long-term military campaign.

Iran would love to see Turkiye and Pakistan by it's side but Turkiye national interests lie with NATO first, Europe second while Pakistan Iran need some military interoperability which is nowhere to be seen.

Frankly speaking, this Iran-Turkey-Pakistan thing will never happen and was never on the cards before either.

Your logic of Turkey has an embassy and they can take care of themselves, well Qatar was one of the brokers of the "Abraham Accord" with Trump. Look what happened to Qatar.

So Turkey can't "hope for the best" when a present danger sits nearly 600 KM away. Their plans call out for a joint defense cooperation with Pakistan. Similar to what we saw in May when they urgently sent some stuff to us.

Since Turkish coup, Pakistani pilots trained their junior pilots as they fired hundreds of pilots who were a part of the coup. And many Pakistani pilots have been doing rotations in Turkey. So there is a joint aspect evolving into a full defense cooperation between the two nations.

 

[m52k85]

Everone is dancing to the tune of Rajas Baja.

 

[Corax]

Everone is dancing to the tune of Rajas Baja.

Dunning Kruger effect.

 

[RajaBaja]

Dunning Kruger effect.

You think I'm having DK effect?

 

[Trailer23]

Well, too many daydreamers here. Let's be real, Pakistan doesn't need anything more sophisticated than J 10C

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Someone outta ship a Vibrator for this b!tch.

 

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Someone outta ship a Vibrator for this b!tch.

Boeing 747 will pass through easily from this wide open lady Vibrator will not work .

 

[Trailer23]

Boeing 747 will pass through easily from this wide open lady Vibrator will not work .

a. That was funny as f#*k.
b. It could almost be taken as a reference from the classic movie 'Snatch'.

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[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Dear - I don't give my intro on some online forum for very important reasons. Secondly, confusing questions, they go from asking if I am educated in aerospace..... to..... if I know anything about aviation industry . It's clear you aren't reading my posts, or understanding them? Kindly read a few posts again a couple of times, you'll find some critical details. Your question are loaded, so the response will be a full analysis, sorry for the lengthy post.

On my credentials, I am just an ordinary individual that comes here to kill time. But if you must know, you can refer to me as a professional in the areas I write about and highly qualified Alhamdulilah. There is lots of experience at very high levels not needed for discussion here.

You asked to write TEN things wrong about Pakistan's aerospace sector, I assume you mean military not commercial. For starters, there is no real "aviation industry" in Pakistan. So there are no 10 things wrong. Everything is wrong because we need this industry and also built on the latest standards like you see me writing about. Also, I won't use the term "aerospace" because the "space" sector is very limited so "aviation" may be a better term.

- Our military aviation industry is like an infant. It's now starting with first success being JF-17 at current level with PL-15, doing all workhorse duties for Pakistan. Since it was our first step into aviation industry, delays, education and learning gap, bad economy, etc, caused issues. But the project is a success. We gained critical know how and are now building majority of this aircraft here without the threat of any sanctions that alone is very big. It needed to be much ahead in technology R&D if our economy was better.

- We can have a bright future if we can foresee properly our threat environment (India, Israel weapon acquisitions) like I write about, assess our requirements, and take steps in fulfilling them. 5th gen is the latest standard. That must be introduced in Pakistan's aviation even slowly.

CRITICAL: I know some have issues with this 5th gen talk, especially a couple of our Chinese members. But they will proudly tell you that the main difference between them and the USA is that Chinese tech base is advanced with latest systems while the US has a huge wealth of legacy systems as old as 50 years! VERY True!

Because Chinese military really took off in 2000's and on the latest standard, which was 4th gen then. That's exactly why Pakistan needs to venture into this latest set of technologies too. We need our people trained in China or Turkey on real projects, and execute in steps some technology buildout here even under license but the latest 5th gen tech is a must! This process or capability improvement is an engineering model referred to as CMM (capability maturity model), there are other models out there also, all do the same thing.

Good thing is, Pakistan's military leadership is very focused on advance technologies, whether build slowly in components fashion similar to JF-17 approach, but build in Pakistan eventually. They also want a long term solution, a local advance fighter FREE of ANY foreign dependence to meet our defense needs and collaborate for future tech and enhancements.

If there was no Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Elon Musk and many others, the US economy may be half of what it is today. So you need a vision of the future. Whether you have money or not. You understand the future (threat picture, our airforce's requirements and direction) and you start taking action, divine help also comes. 5th gen is the vision here to meet our defense needs, slowly and steadily!

thankyou!

you just validated my point.

BTW, in that long post, what exactly have you said here?

 

[Michael]

Yes..., and the neighborhood hag had an issue with that as well.
Someone outta ship a Vibrator for this b!tch.

Don't be so rude!

Despite numerous issues and repeated clashes between China and India, Ms. Palki Sharma is incredibly popular in China.

We deeply admire her. As a media professional, In the international situation where India is being humiliated, yet she's managed to harness her passion and strive to boost the confidence of the Indian people, even though her views are largely nonsense. As an Indian media worker, she is undoubtedly the best.

For this reason, Chinese netizens have given her the Chinese nickname, "甲亢姐(Hyperthyroidism Sister)." ------ There's no malice in that. It simply describes her constant state of Indian excitement. As a media worker, that's excellent.

 

[RajaBaja]

Don't be so rude!

Despite numerous issues and repeated clashes between China and India, Ms. Palki Sharma is incredibly popular in China.

We deeply admire her. As a media professional, In the international situation where India is being humiliated, yet she's managed to harness her passion and strive to boost the confidence of the Indian people, even though her views are largely nonsense. As an Indian media worker, she is undoubtedly the best.

For this reason, Chinese netizens have given her the Chinese nickname, "甲亢姐(Hyperthyroidism Sister)." ------ There's no malice in that. It simply describes her constant state of Indian excitement. As a media worker, that's excellent.

They call her "Agent Sharma" in the West. She belongs to RAW's media warfare unit out of Noida City.

Definitely hyperthyroidism is the case in reality. I met her 3 years ago and then last year in an event in Dubai, she had lost over 60 kilogram weight easily.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

You had a point with so many useless questions you asked? You also validated my point, you need to go back and take some English classes. Start from Junior high school please.

please either grow up or argue intelligently or be ready to judged and killed by the sword!

goes both ways

if you want my time to read your non sensical posts, I deserve the right to ask you few questions?!!!!

dont I?!!!