Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

For holy mosques, Mecca and Madina. No issue in that. We accept to be Cannon fodders for protection of these places.
The holy mosques in Mecca and Madina have existed for thousands of years before there was a Pakistan. They are not under threat and neither is your protection needed.

The holy mosque actually under threat is Qibla Awwal, Masjid Al Aqsa. The Zionists and evangelicals both require its demolition and to build the third Jewish temple in its place, else their prophesies about their Messiah cannot come true. But no Pakistanis are offering to defend that holy mosque because no money in it.
 
Wars are not won by missiles alone, they require sustained logistics, fuel, and liquidity to keep the war economy running under pressure. In the past, external shocks, sanctions, oil price spikes, or financial cut-offs, created a ceiling on Pakistan’s war endurance. With Riyadh’s oil wealth and financial backing formally locked in, that ceiling has been removed.

Pakistan now enjoys an unprecedented warfighting depth: Chinese arms and ammunition on one side, Saudi oil and money on the other. It is an industrial-scale supply chain that neutralizes the constraints India has historically counted on.

For Saudi Arabia, the pact is equally revealing. Riyadh has watched the limitations of U.S. security guarantees with growing unease. The recent incident in which Israeli missiles crossed Saudi airspace to strike Qatar without interception exposed the cracks in U.S. air defense systems stationed in the region.

For a kingdom sitting at the intersection of Gulf trade, oil infrastructure, and potential escalation regionally, this vulnerability is existential. By binding its defense to Pakistan, a nuclear-armed state with hardened conventional and unconventional warfare experience, Saudi Arabia acquires an ally that does not depend on Washington’s permission slips. The pact is a hedge against both Israeli encroachment and the unreliability of the American shield.

The political signaling is just as important as the military calculus. For India, this pact closes the book on any illusions of exhausting Pakistan through drawn-out confrontation. The endurance gap has been plugged. For Washington, it is a clear rebuke: Gulf monarchies no longer see U.S. guarantees as sufficient on their own and are diversifying their security anchors. And for China, it is an indirect but significant win: Beijing now operates in a security triangle where its strongest regional partner, Pakistan, has been structurally linked to Riyadh’s defense.

This pact is a structural reconfiguration of deterrence in South Asia and the Gulf, and it signals the emergence of a new strategic corridor, where China supplies the arms, Saudi Arabia supplies the lifeline, and Pakistan acts as the pivot capable of converting both into real warfighting capability.
Hopefully Pakistan can finally develop its economy. That is sorely needed. You can’t become a powerful nation while your people are poor.
 
Very good and welcome development. Since the inception of Pakistan, KSA has always been a close partner bound by a religious, cultural, geographic and ancient historical bond (the first recorded civilizations/cultures in what is today Pakistan, (IVC), were close partners of contemporary civilizations in Arabia (Sumer, Dilmun, Magan etc.) and in fact it where our forefathers who first described the IVC to the outside world during that long bygone era.

A lot of people to people relations in the modern era, almost exclusively Pakistani workforce in KSA.

I would like to see this new development result in something truly tangible for both parties in terms of the military sector but not only. Expand this cooperation economically, in terms of agriculture, mining, AI, technology, STEM, culture, transportation and what not.

Hopefully this will benefit the ordinary man and woman in both KSA and Pakistan.

I just have some questions, and I wonder if we have the details.

A. Would Pakistan be involved in Saudi wars in Yemen, Syria, and Sudan, and possibly Iran?
Most Pakistanis would be fine with protecting Saudi Arabia itself but not with fighting other friendly nations.

B. Would Saudi Arabia come to help against India, even if not militarily, but at least economically, diplomatically?

C. Will our troops, including the Air Force, air defense, and armed forces, be stationed in Saudi Arabia alongside the Americans, who already perform air defense duties (as far as I know)?
So even if Israel attacks Saudi Arabia, we might not have sufficient resources stationed there to help them ward off such an attack.
There are no "Saudi Arabian wars" in fellow Arab countries whether in neighbouring Yemen, Syria or Sudan. The Syrian civil war ended last December. KSA is not actively involved in Sudan either and if involved, it supports the official government and military, as was done in Yemen.

Since 2020, KSA is no longer involved in Yemen and have signed peace deals with Houthis. There is an established understanding and the status quo is intact after the Yemeni civil war (Houthis remain in control of the Zaydi mountanious heartlands and KSA/official Yemeni army/government, controlling the remaining 80% of Yemen)

Last time there was an KSA/Iran war was 1400 years ago during the Arab Islamic conquest. Afterwards the degree of "animosity" in terms of conflict can be boiled down to numerous Arab dynasties ruling Iran, long after direct Arab Caliphate rule.

For example the longest ruling Iranian dynasty in history was originally of Arab origin.


Many others before and after.


The Safavids claimed Arab ancestry and intermarried with Arab Sadah families (plural of Sayyid).

It was during the Safavids that Iran became majority Shia Muslim courtesy of imported Arab Shia clerics from modern-day Eastern KSA and Bahrain plus Southern Iraq next door and Lebanon.

Hence my Mullah's like Khamenei and Khomeini are fruits of those migrations. At least both claim so.


Nowadays there is no hostility and relations have cooled down. As long as Iran is not actively meddling in internal Arab affairs in a negative way and supporting non-state militant/terrorist actors, there is no reason for any hostility. We are permanent neighbours and have much in common as well as deep ties on most fronts, in particular with Eastern Arabia/Iraq and Southern Iran.

Not to mention that millions of Arabs live in Iran and have done so long before the appearance of Islam.

Most of pre-Islamic Iranian civilization/culture was also extremely influenced by our ancient Semitic cultures (Babylonian empire, Sumer etc.) which in many ways "civilized" the Persians early on and whose culture, language (Akkadian - closely related to Arabic), and symbols, architecture, civilization, art, they all copied.

Rest of your questions we do not know the answers of, as nobody here knows the inner details of this deal.

But I can already tell you this, the main goal of KSA, is stability (regional) and economic progress. Not starting any new wars or conflicts unless attacked.

KSA is going to host the World Cup, Asian Games, AFC football tournament, numerous sporting and cultural events and has emerged (only will be bigger by each month) as a tourist and cultural hub on a global scale. KSA is also undergoing huge cultural, economic and social changes in the past 10 years.

None of the above fits into some scenario where KSA is suddenly going on the offensive without reason.

If anything this is a message to the US's rapid attack dog (Israel) that you cannot attack KSA and get away with it, even if you have the US/West/NATO as your obedient slaves.
 
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You seem to be completely ignorant about the history of America's major military alliance. The only time NATO's Article 5 has ever been invoked was in the defence of the United States after 9/11 and the allies all helped the US in the subsequent wars.

The bottomline of this alliance is that Saudi's enemies will be Pakistan's enemies but Pakistan's enemies will not be Saudi's enemies. In fact, Saudi Arabia clearly said their relationship with India is the strongest it has ever been and will continue to get stronger in the same breath they signed the agreement. Would Pakistan have dared to say the same about Israel , or even Iran or the Houthies ?

Saudis will most likely use Pakistan to fight wars in Yemen or aggression against Iran. Everyone is excited but when we get attacked by India and saudia looks the other way then we will realise our auqaat. Pakistan must make sure this agreement is binding upon both parties and we will only defend saudia from attacks. Also keep in mind we mentioned many times that we will defend Makka and Madina with troops on the ground, maybe the agreement is to make it official. Qatar is close to Turkey, this is why Turkey sent troops to Qatar to defend them from Saudia attack, I know Israel bombed Qatar but noone can stop that except you retaliate by trying to shoot the planes down or chase them away from your airspace. Noone dares to bomb Israel since Usa will defend Israel at all costs. All the nuke propaganda needs to be buried, Pakistan does not want to internationalise their nukes so the world will make it out like we are a threat and come after us.
 
This could be one of the best things ever to happen for the Muslim world.

My guess is this was years in the making and activated when it was required.

As some mention, it will be interesting to see the practicalities of it (equipment, personnel etc) especially as transfer of US weapons requires permission.

This is also a massive Saudi two fingers to India. Many on here doubted the Saudis and their friendship with Pakistan
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We have reviewed reports of the signing of the joint strategic defense agreement Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.We were previously aware that such an arrangement was under consideration for some time.We will study the implications of this agreement on our national security, as well as on regional and global security.

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Wars are not won by missiles alone, they require sustained logistics, fuel, and liquidity to keep the war economy running under pressure. In the past, external shocks, sanctions, oil price spikes, or financial cut-offs, created a ceiling on Pakistan’s war endurance. With Riyadh’s oil wealth and financial backing formally locked in, that ceiling has been removed.

Pakistan now enjoys an unprecedented warfighting depth: Chinese arms and ammunition on one side, Saudi oil and money on the other. It is an industrial-scale supply chain that neutralizes the constraints India has historically counted on.

For Saudi Arabia, the pact is equally revealing. Riyadh has watched the limitations of U.S. security guarantees with growing unease. The recent incident in which Israeli missiles crossed Saudi airspace to strike Qatar without interception exposed the cracks in U.S. air defense systems stationed in the region.

For a kingdom sitting at the intersection of Gulf trade, oil infrastructure, and potential escalation regionally, this vulnerability is existential. By binding its defense to Pakistan, a nuclear-armed state with hardened conventional and unconventional warfare experience, Saudi Arabia acquires an ally that does not depend on Washington’s permission slips. The pact is a hedge against both Israeli encroachment and the unreliability of the American shield.

The political signaling is just as important as the military calculus. For India, this pact closes the book on any illusions of exhausting Pakistan through drawn-out confrontation. The endurance gap has been plugged. For Washington, it is a clear rebuke: Gulf monarchies no longer see U.S. guarantees as sufficient on their own and are diversifying their security anchors. And for China, it is an indirect but significant win: Beijing now operates in a security triangle where its strongest regional partner, Pakistan, has been structurally linked to Riyadh’s defense.

This pact is a structural reconfiguration of deterrence in South Asia and the Gulf, and it signals the emergence of a new strategic corridor, where China supplies the arms, Saudi Arabia supplies the lifeline, and Pakistan acts as the pivot capable of converting both into real warfighting capability.

One of the best posts in this long thread!
 
The holy mosques in Mecca and Madina have existed for thousands of years before there was a Pakistan. They are not under threat and neither is your protection needed.

The holy mosque actually under threat is Qibla Awwal, Masjid Al Aqsa. The Zionists and evangelicals both require its demolition and to build the third Jewish temple in its place, else their prophesies about their Messiah cannot come true. But no Pakistanis are offering to defend that holy mosque because no money in it.
Brother we can't just straight jump into Palestine and start killing the Zionists. Both u and I know this can't happen. The thing is Pakistani troops in KSA near Israel oriented against Israel is a great foundational step to what you and I want. This is the only way for action if any action is to be taken in the future. The second step would be pl 15 and pl 17 armed PAF fighters in KSA. There is no other way the Arab armies are incompetent.
 
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Nuclear Co-operation is on the cards. KSA has everything else.

Lack independent air defence too, remember, those Israeli missiles flew from Red Sea all across Saudi to reach Qatar.

Saudi and US CENTCOM Air defence did nothing.....
 
On the timing of the agreement, A senior Saudi official said
To Reuters: "This agreement is a fruit of Years of discussions. And not
In response to Specific countries or events. "
 
panic on the other side of the other border is quite damning!

enough said, Pak. has now the power to merge and subsume interests!

any body else, needs to relax and think quite a bit about their 5000 KM missiles!
 
Knowing how the enemy operates,

They will already be making plans to stop this before it gets fully operational.

They will most probably try to heat up power struggle in Saudi.
I suspect upon the King's death and MBS's taking over,
the enemy will trigger their proxies and try their best to cause chaos.

Enemy already had a huge ground presence and intelligence support,
they already have penetrated deep and can activate at a moment's notice.

Very very troublesome times to come.

Best regards.
 
Lack independent air defence too, remember, those Israeli missiles flew from Red Sea all across Saudi to reach Qatar.

Saudi and US CENTCOM Air defence did nothing.....
That was intentional
 

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