Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion
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maxpane
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everyone is waiting is for the detail .i hope detail would be satisfactory. its not knee. jerk reaction . its the effort of 2 or 3 years . hope they have discussed everything which is very concerning
Meengla
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And yet Saudi Arabia entered this agreement. I'd say it was Pakistan which wanted to enter such an agreement: To get the rich Arab countries' $$$. For Saudi Arabia, IMO, entering an alliance with a basket-case like Pakistan and that too against an India with which Saudi Arabia has strong economic ties, had not make sense--until now!
Starlord
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I mean i don't expect all details to come out, but we will know ones Pakistan start operating or building a base, I would not support a decision where our troops are sitting ducks without proper AD or at least 1-2 sqs, because like or not this pact comes after the Israel bombed Doha and now Arabs realizing that their leaders and capitals can be bombed at will by Israel and Mexico ops I mean America will pay for it.
maxpane
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bhai they already know . i think its my innocent thinking that it will build slowly. similar equipments. integrated defence system everything which is necessary would happen. there are two more countries who wants the same defence treaty . when everything is cleared then they would work on the real challenge. its just start.
Dalit
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Fatman17
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Actually Brigade level 5000. They didn't participate in any action.
Pakistanithinktank
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Saudi Arabia is too tied to the Western bloc. It’s time for a neutral, independent foreign policy. Instead of spending billions on Western defense, they should buy technology from China and develop it locally, boosting their own defense industry. Middle Eastern countries, including Pakistan, should collaborate on defense R&D to cut costs and strengthen regional security. True independence comes from self-reliance, not dependence.
lightning f57
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For a defence pact to be effective it means foreign policy must also be aligned.
Food for thought, Pak & India fought a brief war in May for around 6 days, normally defence pacts are not signed between nations if one of them is in a conflict or likely to go into conflict (unless they face the same enemy).
This itself does say allot in the south asian context.
Food for thought, Pak & India fought a brief war in May for around 6 days, normally defence pacts are not signed between nations if one of them is in a conflict or likely to go into conflict (unless they face the same enemy).
This itself does say allot in the south asian context.
Fatman17
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Not on paper. The weapon systems are there. Q is do they have the capacity and capability to use them in actual conflict
Dalit
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These Indians are the most insecure and henious people alive.
"Saaaar, China Pakistan two front cannot defeat India. India will defeat both!"
"Saaar, KSA Pakistan two front cannot defeat India. India will defeat both! Jai Hind!"
Meengla
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You are being too harsh on that Indian channel. If anything, that channel represents few voices of sanity in India, such as voices like of Pravin Swaheny, which have been saying that it is better for India to make peace with Pakistan. And I actually admire those few Indian channels with the guts to criticize Modi while sitting in India; shows there is still some 'freedom of speech' in India, unlike in Pakistan. And I say that despite being a firm supporter of the current Pakistani setup.
As for Mecca/Medina: Israelis are not stupid enough to do anything to those two cities. Israelis can't even come up with a plan to destroy the Dome of Rock and to replace with their Third Temple (or whatever that maybe). But Israel surely is an expansionist, colonial presence and they are gaining more and more territory and so who knows about the future.
A1Kaid
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He is a pro Indian analyst.
_Arabia_
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As for India, given that this is the main adversary of Pakistan (Arabs have throughout millennia seen India has a land/people/country/geography where trade/peaceful exchange is the main aim/focus and continue to see it this way today), it will be very interesting to see, if India becomes hostile based on this deal. Their official regime statements openly acknowledge that KSA and Pakistan have always been close and that this deal was in the making for many years (obviously such deals of this nature are not done within 1 week or overnight), but now if India decides to openly be hostile to KSA and by default rest of the GCC and Arab world, it will force Arab regimes to revaluate their mostly economic relationship with India. Quite frankly, from the side of the Arabs, Arab-India relations (economic) are hugely in favour of Arabs. Given the size of India (population and economy) it is hard for anybody (even the likes of China) to ignore it and not take advantage of it economically. From the perspective of Pakistan, that is naturally seen as something uneasy. For Arabs it is nothing more than a financial transaction. Now I will admit, there have not really been any historical hostility between Arabs and what now makes up of India and its 100's of various ethnic groups. In terms of regions of India that we have had a historically close ties to are mostly Kerala, Sri Lanka (not part of India today) and in general South India due to millennia old trade ties and people to people relations. Many Arabs also settled in Sri Lanka, Southern India. Even the ethnic group Malayim or what they are called, claim to be Arab/Kerala mixtures and some DNA tests appear to confirm this.
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One of the oldest moques outside of Arabia was built in Southern India due to millennia old Arab-South India trade ties.
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The name of that ethnic group in Kerala are Malayalis.
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They are the most frequent ethnic Indian group in KSA and the GCC and they are almost all exclusively Muslim and have an overall good reputation.
It was always strictly business and nothing anti-Pakistan as some here have propagandized due to dislike of Arab regimes or maybe even 500 + million and 20 + Arab countries as a whole. Any way each to their own.
Such fusions are not strange, Arabs did the same in Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei (where there are millions of people of Arab (mostly Hijazi and Yemeni) ancestry and similarly in the Sahel and Swahili (Africa) where large ancient groups of Arabs intermarried with local Africans forming a distinct unique local Muslim/Arab hybrid. A good recent example is the Sultanate of Zanzibar and cities such as Mombasa.
In fact the lingua franca of East Africa (Swahili - itself an Arabic word meaning - coasts), is Swahili whose vocabularly is made up of Arabic words up to 33.33%.
Anyway back to India, if new hostile actions from India aimed at Arabs (KSA in particular) due to this deal being signed (which I fully support personally - wish to see it with more Muslim nations), a new paradigm needs to occur.
Anyway I am trying to be brutally honest here and tell Pakistanis that are unfamiliar with the Arab world and Arabs, how we view India and Indians and from which lens.
In a perfect world, Pakistan and India would at least burry the hatched and have peaceful relations and benefit from each other economically etc. Millions of Pakistanis with ties to India originally and the biggest ethnic group in Pakistan (Punjabis) have their cousins in India next door. Not to mention 200 + million Indian Muslims. Say what you want but unless an Indian is openly anti-Muslim or anti-Arab, I see no reason to hate/see him/her as a hostile person.
Just being honest here.
As for how the average Indian sees Pakistanis and whether or not India has any territorial claims on Pakistan (outside of Kashmir), I have frankly no idea about, but if so, it makes it much more difficult for Pakistan (obviously), to look at India, at how say Arabs, Iranians, Turks, Indonesians and others look at it.
But if the Kashmir problem is solved in a satisfactory manner and the rabid anti-Muslim sentiments of many Indian Hindus are controlled and some kind of reconciliation is achieved, I see it far easier for Pakistan and India to burry the hatched (at least accept each others existence) than say Palestinians and Israelis burying the hatchet.
Sri Lankan Moors - Wikipedia
Islam in Kerala - Wikipedia
One of the oldest moques outside of Arabia was built in Southern India due to millennia old Arab-South India trade ties.
Cheraman Juma Mosque - Wikipedia
The name of that ethnic group in Kerala are Malayalis.
Malayalis - Wikipedia
They are the most frequent ethnic Indian group in KSA and the GCC and they are almost all exclusively Muslim and have an overall good reputation.
It was always strictly business and nothing anti-Pakistan as some here have propagandized due to dislike of Arab regimes or maybe even 500 + million and 20 + Arab countries as a whole. Any way each to their own.
Such fusions are not strange, Arabs did the same in Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei (where there are millions of people of Arab (mostly Hijazi and Yemeni) ancestry and similarly in the Sahel and Swahili (Africa) where large ancient groups of Arabs intermarried with local Africans forming a distinct unique local Muslim/Arab hybrid. A good recent example is the Sultanate of Zanzibar and cities such as Mombasa.
In fact the lingua franca of East Africa (Swahili - itself an Arabic word meaning - coasts), is Swahili whose vocabularly is made up of Arabic words up to 33.33%.
Anyway back to India, if new hostile actions from India aimed at Arabs (KSA in particular) due to this deal being signed (which I fully support personally - wish to see it with more Muslim nations), a new paradigm needs to occur.
Anyway I am trying to be brutally honest here and tell Pakistanis that are unfamiliar with the Arab world and Arabs, how we view India and Indians and from which lens.
In a perfect world, Pakistan and India would at least burry the hatched and have peaceful relations and benefit from each other economically etc. Millions of Pakistanis with ties to India originally and the biggest ethnic group in Pakistan (Punjabis) have their cousins in India next door. Not to mention 200 + million Indian Muslims. Say what you want but unless an Indian is openly anti-Muslim or anti-Arab, I see no reason to hate/see him/her as a hostile person.
Just being honest here.
As for how the average Indian sees Pakistanis and whether or not India has any territorial claims on Pakistan (outside of Kashmir), I have frankly no idea about, but if so, it makes it much more difficult for Pakistan (obviously), to look at India, at how say Arabs, Iranians, Turks, Indonesians and others look at it.
But if the Kashmir problem is solved in a satisfactory manner and the rabid anti-Muslim sentiments of many Indian Hindus are controlled and some kind of reconciliation is achieved, I see it far easier for Pakistan and India to burry the hatched (at least accept each others existence) than say Palestinians and Israelis burying the hatchet.
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