Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

Ali_Baba said:
If the GCC Arabs stop issuing new Visas for workers, that we would a good statement of intent. There is natural attrition as some people leave naturally to return home, so the rebalancing can happen naturally over time if you turn off the tap.
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Its not going to happen at all. Indians are in much more numbers and at much higher positions.

They have total monopoly in most organisations / companies. Those companies who even owned by locals or foreigners will only hire indians. Because all the references from employees / HR are indian based.

There are many positions which are look busy and do nothing sort of. But still very high paying and occupied completely by indian community. But that does not mean all are like that. Some are good at work too. But overall, I don't see GCC acting in anyway against indian interests.

Also, I believe this pact should have been with GCC & Pakistan. Other GCC countries may even get uncomfortable, perhaps even annoyed that why KSA & Pakistan did it all alone. GCC + Pakistan would have eliminated any chances of further divisions within GCC. Now who knows, India approaching UAE, Oman, etc and offering defense collaborations ? So perhaps its still time to get others onboard too.
 
Ali_Baba said:
Yep - and he said that through gritted teeth !!!!!!! lol

India's strategy of teaming with Israel, to put all the countries in a "anti-muslim sandwich", to bomb freely and act like masters of the region, failed big time. Sindoor was part of this plan.

Pakistan's advantage of why it can glue together an alliance is that it is a neutral as far as the politics of the middle east are concerned.

I am doubtful of the UAE if they continue to remain part of the Abraham Accords ... Withdrawl from the Abraham Accords has to be a pre-requisite to join, and even then I have serious doubts about the UAE.
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The other aspect of that strategy was paying lip service to the Americans that they will actually take China seriously as a threat

Then for some MORONIC reason they decided to go to the SCO to confirm that they are no competition to China


Just remember for how long Pakistan was accused of duplicity with Afghanistan, ignoring that it was a core interest literally within their borders.

So everyone is wondering how exactly is India useful to American strategy when they refuse to really posture aggressively to China, and they will back Russia very very significantly. And of course they are one of the loudest proponents of a multi Polo world.

The Americans have been plenty nice

America should now have plenty of empirical evidence to conclude that at least Pakistan can provide some meaningful cooperation and India is all talk.

I'm not saying it should lead to anything, just that it is an indisputable observation the Pakistan can surely exploit,
 
Relatively, sensible analysis from indian media, more objective:

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Pak-Warrior said:
Its not going to happen at all. Indians are in much more numbers and at much higher positions.

They have total monopoly in most organisations / companies. Those companies who even owned by locals or foreigners will only hire indians. Because all the references from employees / HR are indian based.

There are many positions which are look busy and do nothing sort of. But still very high paying and occupied completely by indian community. But that does not mean all are like that. Some are good at work too. But overall, I don't see GCC acting in anyway against indian interests.

Also, I believe this pact should have been with GCC & Pakistan. Other GCC countries may even get uncomfortable, perhaps even annoyed that why KSA & Pakistan did it all alone. GCC + Pakistan would have eliminated any chances of further divisions within GCC. Now who knows, India approaching UAE, Oman, etc and offering defense collaborations ? So perhaps its still time to get others onboard too.
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The Arab countries are not democracies. The "edict" will come from the top and it will be executed if they make that type of decision. Everyone in the GCC countries that is not a local arab, is a "guest" until they are not.

Agree, the scope should have been bigger, but what we see is a lot of "talking" and "hot air" from the GCC as a whole, now that Saudi Arabia has signed, it will focus thoughts in the other GCC countries who may stop the talking and start signing?
 
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Meengla said:
500,000 thousand more Pakistani expats in the Arab world would go long ways in helping Pakistan's economy and 500,000 less Indians in the Arab world would do major damage to India's economy.
@The SC : You guys need to realize you have an Israeli Trojan Horse in millions in your midst.
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You don't need any agreements for that.

200K Indians moved to SA in 2024 vs 450k Pakistanis.

Pakistani population have overtaken Indians in SA. In 2020 Indians 2.5m vs 1.5m for Pakistanis. Now both are about same or Pakistan just over India as per latest estimates.

Problem is UAE as they have reduced Pakistani visas. Need to convince them to join this pact and then economic relations will improve with UAE as well.
 
hydrabadi_arab said:
You don't need any agreements for that.

200K Indians moved to SA in 2024 vs 450k Pakistanis.

Pakistani population have overtaken Indians in SA. In 2020 Indians 2.5m vs 1.5m for Pakistanis. Now both are about same or Pakistan just over India as per latest estimates.

Problem is UAE as they have reduced Pakistani visas. Need to convince them to join this pact and then economic relations will improve with UAE as well.
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Those are not facts.
 
Sinnerman108 said:
Like I have said, this is not the topic,
open a thread in member's section and I will be happy to present my arguments and reasoning.
regards
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you have been given the answers and are simply dodging. Back to topic.
 
Good we signed this alliance with Saudi Arabia.

We will support the Arabs in the Palestinian cause IF the Arabs support Pakistan in the Kashmir cause.

That is only fair.
 
r3alist said:
I think the Saudis may seek to rebalance this naturally, but also Pakistan really needs to work on improving its education and civic society to make more employable people


Better still, it needs to provide a proper economy

This is fine as a short-term tactical measure, once again however do not assume that 2 weeks reverses two decades that easily

If it can be leveraged on India, it can be leverage or Pakistan, the only difference is that it will have an outsized impact on India
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Those are good points,
they are off topic, and deserve a thread of their own.
WE can always have such an exchange of ideas, I would love to contribute.
 
May 7th proved that Pakistan military is a superior fighting force vs Indian military which still relies on Hindutva tactics.

Indians can kiss their hegemony good bye.
 
Pak-Warrior said:
Relatively, sensible analysis from indian media, more objective:

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You can call it analysis, but to me it lost all credibility when the agreement was played down in the context of Saudi troops will never appear within Pakistan.


There is this weird obsession with side-by-side being taken literally


Of course any joint cooperation will be based on the available synergies
 
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