Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[The SC]

Let see what happen in future ....

KSA have its clout in Middle east I believe some other countries are more likely to join in then Qatar or UAE infact UAE has security policies which are very independent of KSA influence like building foreign military bases in region like Socotra and it's policy in Libia.

Therefore I think UAE itself will chose stay out of these kind of arrangement specially with Pakistan

No need for the rest of the GCC to join openly..they have the Gulf Cooperation Council’s (GCC) joint defence body (mechanism)..So they have joined transitively by Saudi Arabia signing the deal with Pakistan.. meaning any attack on KSA will trigger that mechanism automatically.. and in the threats against Pakistan they might join anonymously under the cover of Saudi Arabia..

 

[The SC]

No it isn't. Some irresponsible statements like this have already been walked back by Pakistani officials. Neither the US nor Israel will allow any other country in Mideast to possess nukes and Pakistanis are not fools to put themselves in the crosshairs.

You didn't read the deal's meaning : it states that any aggression on one is considered an aggression on both..

Besides that:

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[Tamerlane]

In the following video Najam Sethi says pretty much what I said. The Pak-Saudi agreement is little more than showbazi. He says that neither country can afford to go against the US. However, Pakistan may get some money out of it. It’s in the last few minutes of the video, around the 30 minutes mark.

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[mulj]

that aside, I dream that we can manufacture day to day consumer goods. The boycott this and that doesn't work unless we have our own daily products.

I deeply admire how pakistani people "recycle" various consumer products with genious methods with rudimentary industrial equipment but it is time for you to become proper industrial country with strong and modern public infrastructure, is it expensive sure it is but it elevate society production and free up resources for more complex and sophisticated national output.

 

[HRK]

I mean the know how..North Korea has deep links in the Arab world and besides that ..it hates Israel..

Its first Scud missiles ever..were handed to it by Egypt..

Just a fun fact the very first Military Dictator of Pakistan Ayub Khan once said " we will buy Atom bomb from America if needed". I think after singing of SEATO and CENTO agreements

Now coming to the point nuclear technology is not easy to replicate even if one have some know how, Iran is one of the prime example they had designs of centrifuges even sample machine from Black market they bought during the initial phase of their program and then improve the design to next level, and as per some reports (from Israel) they even had weapon design as well but did not succeed both politically and technologically.

Now take Pakistan as an example during Musharaf era if my memory serve me right it was disclosed that Pakistan had more seven or ten thousand engineers (scientist were not included) in nuclear program at that time. Keep in mind we started our civilian nuclear program in 60s era

But then we are even today can't say with confidence that we have achieved Hydrogen bomb technology, even though we are established nuclear power with miniaturize nuclear warhead designs.

Without perpetually sustained process of knowledge creation and absorbing there is no way that by just transferring of some part of nuclear technology or know-how could enable the acquiring country as nuclear power.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

In the following video Najam Sethi says pretty much what I said. The Pak-Saudi agreement is little more than showbazi. He says that neither country can afford to go against the US. However, Pakistan may get some money out of it. It’s in the last few minutes of the video, around the 30 minutes mark.

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Najam Sethi, Hamid Mir, Javed Choudhry, Mansoor Ali Khan, they’re not analysts, they’re just mouthpieces for the establishment. They don’t challenge power, they echo it. And let’s be real, the establishment can’t stand opposing views. They silence dissent, not debate it. So when these guys talk, it’s not journalism. It’s just scripted noise to keep the status quo intact. even when the topic has nothing to do with politics, they somehow twist it to bash Imran Khan or mock his supporters. It’s obsessive. Shows how threatened the establishment feels by any genuine public support or alternative narrative. These guys aren’t doing analysis, they’re just running interference for the status quo.

I have a million dollar question. How this deal is going to benefit the public? This pact may strengthen Pakistan’s geopolitical standing and regional deterrence, but it doesn’t tackle the root issues crushing the average citizen like inflation, regressive taxation, and lack of Jobs, healthcare and education funding.

 

[redgriffin]

I called it 30mins back & its already LIVE...

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I dislike her immensely, but have to admit that she is pretty good looking.

 

[Ali_Baba]

I dislike her immensely, but have to admit that she is pretty good looking.

Dude. You need to get out more often dude if you think that…

 

[mythbuster]

The mutual defence pact is meaningless and doesn't impact India at all. If you think it does, you are still delusional. This pact is a one-way deal for Saudi Arabia. It will use Pakistan to defend itself: its soldiers, its equipment, and its nukes. What will Saudi Arabia do for Pakistan?

Please stop making me laugh.

The least it means, your energy supplies during the war will be blocked and Pakistan will get ample supplies of energy and military equipment from the gulf region......let this explode in your atmi _brain.

 

[Gripen9]

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[mythbuster]

The potential war includes Egypt for the control of the Suez Canal.. as well as Syria, Lebanon and Iraq and Jordan.. Therefore, it includes Saudi Arabia and the Gulf. In fact, it includes China, Russia, and the whole world.

In other words.. Prepare for war.. And bring nuclear bombs deterrent today before tomorrow.. They will coordinate with the Chinese and Russians to paralyze the F-35.

As for the withdrawal in the face of Israel, which has been moving at an orderly pace for years guided by the West and its agenda for the region, this means the end of the Middle East as we know it.

The West has come to confront, and we must confront. Whoever refuses to confront now will face the confrontation tomorrow and in worse circumstances...

Stop fear mongering SC..... F35 is the only edge Israelis have in a conventional war.....if you take this edge out of the equation Egypt alone is strong enough to capture Israel in a month are so of war.... don't underestimate your own strength.

 

[rafale]

Both Pakistanis and Indians are exaggerating the scope of this agreement.
Indians are panicking and asking Saudis to understand sensitivity - Modi really did screw up. India has more than enough existing goodwill and resources to recover but it gave the window to Pakistan to edge itself in. Result is that eventually India will be back to its level but the Pakistani relationship is the net gain. India is net neutral in terms of loss and gain after Sindhoor.

How is India net neutral?

Their foreign ministry statement that Saudis should 'consider' the sensitivities means they really understand that the defense pact is a way to something more bigger and concrete in scope.

Saudis have deep pockets, they really don't need to rely on Indian oil imports......plus with USA doubling down on Russian sanctions, India's option of purchasing Russian oil is all but moot in the short term.

Defense pact might be some paper today, but i see no reason why Pakistan cannot be a conduit for GCC opening up to Chinese defense industry and Pakistani experience to implement and utilize it.

This is a moment of century type occasion and really hope Pakistan doesn't screw this up.

 

[mulj]

Israel vs Saudi Arabia Air Power 2025
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Now add to it Pakistan..

You should face reality, there is no saudi air power in comparation with israel, once you recognize it you can work on solutions, qatar had same advanced airpower as saudis but they were sitting ducks.
First priority of this defence pact should be investment in satelite constellation to provide eyes and ears 27/7 after that particular air planes, weapons and tactics can be evaluated and used as means of credible defensive posture.

 

[Yasser76]

Erm no to the UAE devils.

Qatar is cool but it's tough at the moment with the Israeli strike.

To be honest Pakistan can't and shouldn't guarantee anything to the Gulf. Keep it at Saudi.

Bahrain and Qatar are solid allies, Qatar deserves our help for sure.

UAE is almost an arm of Israel

 

[mythbuster]

How is India net neutral?

Their foreign ministry statement that Saudis should 'consider' the sensitivities means they really understand that the defense pact is a way to something more bigger and concrete in scope.

Saudis have deep pockets, they really don't need to rely on Indian oil imports......plus with USA doubling down on Russian sanctions, India's option of purchasing Russian oil is all but moot in the short term.

Defense pact might be some paper today, but i see no reason why Pakistan cannot be a conduit for GCC opening up to Chinese defense industry and Pakistani experience to implement and utilize it.

This is a moment of century type occasion and really hope Pakistan doesn't screw this up.

There going to be lots of palace Intrigues and political upheavals in the gulf region.....opposing powers won't give up so easy.