Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Rome was not built in a day .....

Brother if both Pakistan and KSA work in most efficient manner with all the resources and sincerity they could not achieve the desire outcome before 3 to 5 years.

Placing few battalions or even a brigade is not enough to place a credible deterrence against aggression

Currently We simply do not have enough logistics, resources both human and material available to achieve objective of Mutual defense

Perhaps with time, Saudi funding and effort, Pakistan could increase it's military power and capabilities? Perhaps the Pakistan economy could also significantly grow?

 

[the vicious kind]

Iranian objective from 90s onwards was to move land war away from their border and into the GCC itself. Worked well for 30 years and caused GCC to run and hide behind the Americans. Now GCC is slave of America and at mercy of Israel.

Saudi has been exporting the poison of Wahhabism for decades. So what's wrong with someone else exporting their views ? Wahhabism was responsible for 9/11 and so much conflict in Mideast. Saudis only escaped the consequences of 9/11 and Al Qaeda because of all the money they spend in the West.

Sure Khomeini made some bombastic speeches, like all revolutionaries do but that was not the reason for GCC/West war on Iran. The example of the people overthrowing an autocrat was what Saddam and GCC really hated, so much that they all ganged up on Iran and imposed a horrendous war on it. Now same GCC moans about hostility!

yeah that all ended in the 1970s and since then GCC , led by Saudis, abandoned the Palestinians and moved into direction of becoming American client states.

Back to topic.

Iran’s objective since the 1980s has been to export its revolution abroad, not only across the Middle East but also into Pakistan. They will not get a free pass in our books because they have shown hostility toward us for mullah regime there has become too pacifist for its own good and their interventionist policy as back-fired when the syrian people themselves threw out their Iranian backed Alawi overlords.

And you speak of overthrowing autocrats. Just look at Iran today. The people are angry with the regime, water resources are at an all time low, and they may even be forced to abandon their capital due to severe corruption and mismanagement of water resources. Elite capture is rampant in their society. The regime has brought the once mighty iranian regime to its knees.

 

[Dalit]

"Pleaj saaaar, keep sensitivities in mind!!!"

 

[SABRE]

India's support for the Palestinians is lukewarm because Hamas leads it. And given the attack on October 7th, India has found common cause with Israel rather than with the Palestinians. Not even the Arabs are on the side of the Palestinians this time around. It may have to do with the fact that Hamas is part of the Muslim Brotherhood and an Iranian proxy.

Hamas leads Gaza only.

 

[Bilal]

Off topic but indirectly related. This is going to hit india’s global standing and economy:

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[the vicious kind]

Munier ki mahhhhh

Oh what about your ladla faiz hameed and the clown in jail right now.. who resettled TTP back in Pakistan causing thousands of lives. IK was a showman at best and PTI goverment was a complete disaster.

 

[Yasser76]

Off topic but indirectly related. This is going to hit their global standing and economy:

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Trump seriously has it in for India

Just in 1 month

50% tarrifs
Chahabar port exemotion removed
H1B Visa fees
Pro Pak view on May ceasefire


What a great "Phraaand" of Modi....

 

[maxpane]

Trump seriously has it in for India

Just in 1 month

50% tarrifs
Chahabar port exemotion removed
H1B Visa fees
Pro Pak view on May ceasefire


What a great "Phraaand" of Modi....

nahn its mr doLuuuund trump a great friend of india

 

[Dalit]

2) KSA doesn’t need Pakistani fighter jets or pilots; what they require is training in air combat operations, particularly in integrated, sensor-based air warfare.

3) 4) and 5)
China has long been a military partner of KSA. In the 1980s Saudi Arabia imported the DF-3A, a heavy MRBM, and in 2018 it acquired the DF-21. These procurements blatantly violated MTCR protocols, a serious offense. And what was Washington’s response? Absolutely nothing.

Both KSA and China hold tremendous economic leverage over the United States, leverage they can and do exert to secure their strategic interests.

6) Fateh 1, Fateh 2 & 3 , SH-15 , there are plenty of military equipment Pakistan can provide to KSA.

7). It probably is and Infact it always has been but never formalized uptil now.

8) Like i said earlier, Iran is out of the middle east equation for the foreseeable future, its regime is focusing on survival at the moment.

All alliances, economic leverages and weapons sales aside. The Saudis have very quickly found out that absolutely nothing is guaranteed until iron clad guarantees are in place. Pakistan and KSA have a brotherly religious connection and nothing can outdo that. It is a bond between blood brothers.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Exactly. Whole funding of Egyptian military was a massive waste of money.

I suspect they will carry on funding as the military balance between it and Israel creates deterrence and reduces Israel's space to operate. So, even though the Egyptians to date have not spent that money as well as Pakistan would have, I don't think any of countries can afford to see Egypt become weaker, relative to Israel.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

With the largest battkle tested army in the Muslim world, proven combat experianced air force and almost 200 nuclaer weapons, Pakistan was always going to be the Guardian of Islam and the Holy cities, Saudis just made that official, that is all.

However now doing this, Muslim world has a duty to be guardian of Pakistan too. It s clear now, with Jewish Civilisation and nuclear weapons to the West and Hindu "civilisation" and nuclear weapons to the East. I really truly believe in my heart (and I am speaking as a muslim now, not as a Pakistani), if Pakistan ever falls, the Muslim world will fall.....

Hard to say Pakistan has nearly 200 nukes. It could be much much more. There is nothing online to give an accurate estimate of the number of nukes Pakistan has.

 

[the vicious kind]

I’ve read every single post in this thread (over 1,500) and I’m a person who really wanted to believe that this was the beginning of an Islamic defense alliance. However, I’ve come to the conclusion that it was all a drama, a charade to fool the masses that their leaders are doing something.

The dramatic scenes of little Shahbaz being escorted by Saudi jets and given the sort of treatment reserved for Emperors should have alerted us to something being fishy. I bet when Shahbaz went to Qatar they came up with the plan to do something dramatic.

In reality the Americans have full spectrum dominance over GCC states and aren’t going to allow anyone to muscle their way in. Pakistan doesn’t have the wherewithal to do much. I believe little Shahbaz is going to the US soon and may tell them they were only kidding.

The only thing Pakistan may do is station some soldiers in Saudi Arabia to suppress any uprising within the country. Some generals may get lucrative assignments. Some more workers may get visas. That’s about it.

I hope I’m wrong, but that’s my opinion for the time being.

I do not know what has gotten into our diaspora these days. Perhaps it is because, when you live as a second-class citizen, you naturally develop a sense of self-loathing and an inferiority complex. But lately the equation for many Pakistani expats seems very simple:

Something good happens in Pakistan = “IK would have done it better, or it is just a ploy by the generals.”

Frankly its getting tiring, People here in Pakistan dont give two hoots about the PTI narrative anymore, since every protest call since may has failed miserably. Any opposition and online PTI trolls call you a patwari.

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Yaar aik dain ki post koi nahi parray ga

 

[Ali_Baba]

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WOW. WOW. and more WOW...

A H1B visa is for 3 years. That means, this change is adding a further 33.3k to the bill per year. While, it may not be enough to fully make the H1B scheme unviable for hiring Indians, you would have to really need someone from overseas to justify that cost and complexity now. It turns the dial, and will lead to a reversal of the migration as companies will now have time to plan for the replacements of H1B visa holders with local people, and to train them up before cutting the cord.

 

[blue]

Let's see if things like these actually start happening - Me and Sir @Panzerkiel already hoping for deputations

Boots are already on the ground per my knowledge, have been for some time

 

[Bilal]

WOW. WOW. and more WOW...

A H1B visa is for 3 years. That means, this change is adding a further 33.3k to the bill per year. While, it may not be enough to fully make the H1B scheme unviable for hiring Indians, you would have to really need someone from overseas to justify that cost and complexity now. It turns the dial, and will lead to a reversal of the migration as companies will now have time to plan for the replacements of H1B visa holders with local people, and to train them up before cutting the cord.

What’s the mean salaries?

Another angle, it will also open offshoring opportunities for our IT industry. Specially as india faces high tariffs.