Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[maxpane]

What is wrong with the constant Indian hatred for anything remotely related to Pakistan? At one hand many of you claim that Pakistan is a "lost" part of India but your actions and viewpoints show nothing but hatred.

When will you lot understand that nobody in the Arab world or Middle East as a whole is "out to get India" and that, in the case of KSA (Arabia) and the Arab world, ties with WHAT IS TODAY India (generally) have been cordial and limited to trade and people to people exchanges since the time of the IVC and until to this very day. I already explained this in detail earlier in this thread.

Even users from Pakistan, who posted videos of the former Indian ambassador to KSA (Muslim) was speaking about 5000 + year old peaceful and largely cordial ties.

KSA and Pakistan are long-term allies (that even your government publicly admits) and everyone knows about, strategic allies since practically the beginning.

What is your problem with KSA and Pakistan joining hands? This is a defensive agreement, most likely aimed at the rapid murderous Zionist apes that your government, most important people (non-Muslim Indians) seem to love.

What did Arabs do to you for you to support the Zionist crimes against Palestinians?

250 million Indian Muslims have nothing but mostly love for KSA. Most Indians in KSA are Muslims and are nothing like you anti-Muslim lot.

I wish more Arabs (because few of us are exposed to anti-Muslim Indians) would see how some of you guys behave.

Grow up, neither Arabs nor Pakistanis are your enemies. The hatred seems to be very one-sided and the derailing of this thread is very annoying.

its simple what could their govt do for elections . their only option is Pakistan. they cant do against china. now only option that was pakistan is now closed now

 

[atmi_bum]

What is wrong with the constant Indian hatred for anything remotely related to Pakistan? At one hand many of you claim that Pakistan is a "lost" part of India but your actions and viewpoints show nothing but hatred.

When will you lot understand that nobody in the Arab world or Middle East as a whole is "out to get India" and that, in the case of KSA (Arabia) and the Arab world, ties with WHAT IS TODAY India (generally) have been cordial and limited to trade and people to people exchanges since the time of the IVC and until to this very day. I already explained this in detail earlier in this thread.

Even users from Pakistan, who posted videos of the former Indian ambassador to KSA (Muslim) was speaking about 5000 + year old peaceful and largely cordial ties.

KSA and Pakistan are long-term allies (that even your government publicly admits) and everyone knows about, strategic allies since practically the beginning.

What is your problem with KSA and Pakistan joining hands? This is a defensive agreement, most likely aimed at the rapid murderous Zionist apes that your government, most important people (non-Muslim Indians) seem to love.

What did Arabs do to you for you to support the Zionist crimes against Palestinians?

250 million Indian Muslims have nothing but mostly love for KSA. Most Indians in KSA are Muslims and are nothing like you anti-Muslim lot.

I wish more Arabs (because few of us are exposed to anti-Muslim Indians) would see how some of you guys behave.

Grow up, neither Arabs nor Pakistanis are your enemies. The hatred seems to be very one-sided and the derailing of this thread is very annoying.

Sorry, but the hate is not one-sided; it's mutual.

Nevertheless, I don't hate anybody, especially an entire country. I'm just talking here, responding to posts and offering my opinions. That's all.

 

[_Arabia_]

Unfortunately, both India and Pakistan see through a religious lens, especially India nowadays. They think Muslims getting together for any reason is against them. If China says something nice about Pak, China is the enemy. If Turkiye sells weapons to Pakistan, Turkiye is the enemy. BTW, they don't openly declare China an enemy.

I have noticed this a long time ago. They act incredibly childish. I remember they were taunting Pakistani users here whenever Arab countries, Iran, Turkey or ANY Muslim nation had dealings with them economically etc. or behaved normally as civilized countries do whenever diplomatic relations are forged between countries and leaders.

Neither Pakistan nor the Arab world or Muslim world is going anywhere, only getting stronger. They either accept this reality and stop their idiotic hostilities or they will have to live with the consequences of their actions. They are already facing a many times stronger China. They should not be alienating Muslims in the region whether direct Muslim neighbours like Pakistan and Bangladesh but also the wider region (Arabia, Iran, Indonesia, Afghanistan, Central Asia) etc.

I think that the anti-Muslim lot are simply outside of any reach and should be treated as such and sentiments should be repaid.

 

[_Arabia_]

Sorry, but the hate is not one-sided; it's mutual.

Nevertheless, I don't hate anybody, especially an entire country. I'm just talking here, responding to posts and offering my opinions. That's all.

That is news to me, since when does the average Saudi Arabian, Arab, Iranian, Turk, Indonesian, African Muslim etc. "hate" (this is quite a strong word) India or Indians?

We only "hate" those that hate us for no reason.

I don't see much hate between the ordinary Pakistani in KSA/GCC and Indians, at least the Muslim Indians (majority).

Anyway what is your problem with this news again?

 

[TAC]

@maxpane mentioned this point and you elaborated it. This is exactly what I was thinking. That Trump is 100% trapped into subservience of Israel but he hates it. He particularly dislikes Netanyahu, but can’t do anything to stop him, so he asks Asim Munir to do something.

The pieces of the jigsaw are starting to fall into place to solve the puzzle. SAM (Syed Asim Munir) met Trump privately, then he came to the US a second time, now he’s coming again in a few days. Whatever is going on is with US approval.

We also need to remember that the Pakistan military has good relations with the US military. This is the branch of the US government that is the least controlled by the Israeli lobby. They may have told Trump to work with SAM.

It may be a way to slow down Netanyahu without incurring the wrath of the Israeli lobby.

Very possible. When is the last time any Arab leader did anything meaningful without US approval? Maybe it’s not so much the US asking for this, rather when the proposal was put them for their blessing, it turned out to be music to their ears.

 

[rafale]

Operation Sandoor has resulted in similar manner for India as Kargil operation resulted for Pakistan.

Wrong analogy.....but i will give it a pass....because IAF even then managed to get at least 2 of its jets shot down.

So some things are pretty consistent with the IAF........minimum of two jets get shot down every time they want to do something.

 

[Bharatah]

Do you read the sentiment here?

You're letting your imagination run wild. You're conflating a defensive agreement with one of aggression. Pakistan has no appetite to take wars of aggression for the sake of a monarchy. Second as it stands this is to provide cover for Saudis by Pakistani nukes... and Saudis don't need that against both Iran or Yemen... Saudis would have found willing collaborators for that primarily the US.

Hello friend, I respect your opinion, but I'm an expert on the "new world order" and "mass manipulation," to the point that I suffer severe persecution here in Brasil.

Saudi Arabia doesn't support the Palestinian cause, so there's no logic in Saudi Arabia making a deal with Pakistan to defend itself from "Israel war on palestine cause"... when everyone knows that if ever (for any reason) "Israel" attacks Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, nothing will happen because both have US influence(mainly KSA who is occupied by US forces). So why this deal? In my opinion, this agreement is a ruse designed to overthrow Yemen and Iran. And note that I posted here before the statement by "Israeli" Minister Kantz, who said: "The Ansarullah flag will be replaced by the Israeli blue-and-white flag."

How, I ask you, will Israel conquer Yemen and plant its flag there in Sana'a? How would this be possible?

 

[Goenitz]

I have noticed this a long time ago. They act incredibly childish. I remember they were taunting Pakistani users here whenever Arab countries, Iran, Turkey or ANY Muslim nation had dealings with them economically etc. or behaved normally as civilized countries do whenever diplomatic relations are forged between countries and leaders.

Neither Pakistan nor the Arab world or Muslim world is going anywhere, only getting stronger. They either accept this reality and stop their idiotic hostilities or they will have to live with the consequences of their actions. They are already facing a many times stronger China. They should not be alienating Muslims in the region whether direct Muslim neighbours like Pakistan and Bangladesh but also the wider region (Arabia, Iran, Indonesia, Afghanistan, Central Asia) etc.

I think that the anti-Muslim lot are simply outside of any reach and should be treated as such and sentiments should be repaid.

India is making a crucial mistake, like Pakistan did by making the neighbouring USSR an enemy. Fortunately, it made a fatal mistake by invading Afghanistan, got stuck and invited a global response.
So far, Nepal, BD, China and Pak all see India as an adversary. India has supported the 1971 insurgency, the Tamil insurgency, has toppled Nepal govt many times, supporting BLA/TTP, and supported oppressive BD governments. In past, India captured Kashmir by force, took Hyderabad by force, Goa, Junagarh and Manadur by invasion, etc.
India, during the recent skirmish, has insulted an Iranian minister, attacked Nur Khan airbase just after when Saudi diplomat took off, and shrugged off any peace negotiation. They also terminated the Turkiye investment bcz it sold some drones to Pakistan.
Too bad that China and the US are too big that they didn't get cancelled in any way despite providing Pakistan with more lethal weapons.

Now, why they are more inclined to religious extremeism is a long stroy. @M. Sarmad can highlight more, but he is inactive for some time.

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In short, it all started when the Brahmin realised that to consolidate power, they needed a Hindu identity. Over time, extremists capitalised on it to win the majority by creating this identity.

Slowly, Muslims realised that they needed a separate land in this supremacist ideology. Ultimately, it led to Pakistan's creation through pure political struggle. That is why we also see world events mainly through a religious lens.

 

[atmi_bum]

That is news to me, since when does the average Saudi Arabian, Arab, Iranian, Turk, Indonesian, African Muslim etc. "hate" (this is quite a strong word) India or Indians?

We only "hate" those that hate us for no reason.

I don't see much hate between the ordinary Pakistani in KSA/GCC and Indians, at least the Muslim Indians (majority).

Anyway what is your problem with this news again?

Have you spent time on this forum?

Just because you don't see it or hear it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Nobody is going around all day saying, I hate India or I hate Pakistan. If they do, they have a mental issue.

Have a broader perspective.

 

[Tamerlane]

That is news to me, since when does the average Saudi Arabian, Arab, Iranian, Turk, Indonesian, African Muslim etc. "hate" (this is quite a strong word) India or Indians?

We only "hate" those that hate us for no reason.

I don't see much hate between the ordinary Pakistani in KSA/GCC and Indians, at least the Muslim Indians (majority).

Anyway what is your problem with this news again?

Their hatred doesn’t stop at Pakistan. They’re taught to hate all Muslims. If you go online I would say that 90% of Islamophobic comments are by Indians. Even those posters who’re pretending to be white. They even gloat over the Israeli slaughter of Palestinians.

It is a fact that Jews spend vast sums of money, at least $100 million per year or more, in spreading Islamophobia. It’s been recorded in news reports. Most of this money is provided by Jews and the people who run the propaganda are Hindus.

So, it’s more than just random Hindus hating Muslims. It’s a whole, well funded industry.

 

[Bilal]

Have you spent time on this forum?

Just because you don't see it or hear it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Nobody is going around all day saying, I hate India or I hate Pakistan. If they do, they have a mental issue.

Have a broader perspective.

I think you should focus more on the H1B thread which concerns you lot and leave this one be, since you are a non-entity to this accord.

 

[_Arabia_]

Have you spent time on this forum?

Just because you don't see it or hear it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Nobody is going around all day saying, I hate India or I hate Pakistan. If they do, they have a mental issue.

Have a broader perspective.

Not any in the past 6 months or so.

Forget Pakistan for one moment here and the rivalry, what is exactly your (talking about the vocal Islam-obsessed non-Muslim Indians online) problem with Palestine, KSA and Arabs/Muslims as a whole?

Do you have the same hatred for the 250 million Muslim Indians within India?

Why not shifting the obsession, if you insist on having one in the first place, on the Mongols/Turkic people of Central Asia (real ones) that actually apparently mass-murdered your people ages ago?

Why this constant simping for Zionists and Israel when they look at you (as a people and culture) as way below that of the Palestinians and Arabs that they are in conflict with? That is the biggest tragedy, pagans (non-Abrahamic believers) in Judaism are cursed heavily and the less said about how they view most of you Indians racially the better.

Indian Hindus simping pathetically for Zionists and being rejected, has been going viral already.

The Western/Zionist supremacist dislike you lot just as much as they dislike Muslims, have no illusions.

And this might be hard to believe for you, but Arabs have no problems at all with non-hostile Indian Hindus and non-Muslim Indians, so not sure why a large segment of your population are eager to create "enemies" online by acting like lunatics online.

 

[HRK]

Wrong analogy.....but i will give it a pass....because IAF even then managed to get at least 2 of its jets shot down.

So some things are pretty consistent with the IAF........minimum of two jets get shot down every time they want to do something.

I think I should explain my post little.....

After Kargil operation Indian engagement with US increased India started to see USA as a useful partner.

US and West who were not helpful for the resolution of Kashmir issues but after Kargil openly supported India.

India started the fencing of LOC and successfully established the narrative of LOC being unofficial border.

India also forged good relations with Israel due to it's support to India during Kargil operations

On the other hand US dropped it's level of engagement with Pakistan and increased it's diplomatic and economic engagement with India

West started to see Kashmir as issue created by Pakistan for it's interest without the support of people of IOJK.

So in short our Kargil adventure proven beneficial to India and all the ill consequences were faced only by Pakistan.

 

[_Arabia_]

Their hatred doesn’t stop at Pakistan. They’re taught to hate all Muslims. If you go online I would say that 90% of Islamophobic comments are by Indians. Even those posters who’re pretending to be white. They even gloat over the Israeli slaughter of Palestinians.

It is a fact that Jews spend vast sums of money, at least $100 million per year or more, in spreading Islamophobia. It’s been recorded in news reports. Most of this money is provided by Jews and the people who run the propaganda are Hindus.

So, it’s more than just random Hindus hating Muslims. It’s a whole, well funded industry.

Imagine that their hatred of Pakistan and Pakistanis is this big that they are indoctrinated to hate almost 2 billion people (Muslims) composed of 100 + ethnic groups just because the vast majority of Pakistanis happen to be Muslim.

They seem to have much in common with Zionists. Sadly for them, the "love" is very one-sided in this regard even.

Pathetic lot. Only seen this behaviour online so it is very strange for me to witness it, as my interactions with Indians in person (majority have been Indian Muslims but nevertheless) have never been anything remotely similar.

Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and others have my biggest sympathy being surrounded by 1 billion + of such people (potentially).

 

[Bilal]

Imagine that their hatred of Pakistan and Pakistanis is this big that they are indoctrinated to hate almost 2 billion people (Muslims) composed of 100 + ethnic groups just because the vast majority of Pakistanis happen to be Muslim.

They seem to have much in common with Zionists. Sadly for them, the "love" is very one-sided in this regard even.

Pathetic lot. Only seen this behaviour online so it is very strange for me to witness it, as my interactions with Indians in person (majority have been Indian Muslims but nevertheless) have never been anything remotely similar.

Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and others have my biggest sympathy being surrounded by 1 billion + of such people (potentially).

Pakistanis? You should just do a surface level search on what they think about their own compatriot Muslims.