H-1B visas must end’: Wife of US citizen shares plight of landing IT jobs

Completely missed in this thread

National security references


@Dalit @RajaBaja @Master Chief @Distant_Observer @Meengla




“The abuse of the H–1B program undermines the economic and national security of the United States.”

. “Certain companies that have used the H–1B program are under investigation for fraud, money laundering, and racketeering, which present threats to the national security and welfare of the United States.”


“Entry of H–1B nonimmigrants shall be suspended except where the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of State, determines that their admission is in the national interest and does not pose a threat to the security or welfare of the United States.”


. “The unrestricted admission of H–1B nonimmigrants, without adequate safeguards, threatens the integrity of our immigration system and the national security of the United States.”


. “This proclamation is issued pursuant to sections 212(f) and 215(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, which authorize restrictions on entry when the President finds that such entry would be detrimental to the interests, including the security, of the United States.”
Decisive and very purposeful language being used, that essentially, uncontrolled immigration that undermines the employability of American born (or ??American naturalised...I don't know the precise terms here) nationals is regarded as a national security threat. The tacit understanding here is that the process itself and the cottage industry (qualification "laundering") that accompanies it are all a threat to national security, not JUST the fact that actual criminals may enter.

To summise: the fraudulent element is a threat, the arrival of criminals is a threat, AND the denial of jobs to American born/naturalised citizens is also a threat.

MAGA politics (and so called "populism" in general), for all the measured critique one may level at it, is at its core a very rational and consistent philosophy that actually does NOT discriminate on the basis of race or religion. MAGA seeks to protect and facilitate American citizens, which is something that socialists (most notably "2 tier" Starmer) will NEVER do.

What strikes me is that USA is really serious about this, at a stage where there aren't even that many Indian migrant workers there relative to the overall population. Canada and UK are beyond the point of redemption now and nobody here even cares!
 
Even elected Indian representatives are sensing that the real goal is mass deportations.

Shashi Tharoor senses they could go after Indian students next.

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Bharati students will self deport themselves since H1B is now next to impossible.....
 
My post above was a reference to his executive powers. If he is doing it for the American public, knowing his MAGA history, then H1B fees can go further up, not down. If he's sincere in generating American employment at large scale. If he's wanting something from India, we would've known about it know. If he thinks he'll force India to be with the US and say good bye to Russia and China, I think that's impossible for India to do. But who knows, the amount of money they make from America is 100 times more than Russia and China, their almost entire economy has been running on America. May be they will sell Russia off. China isn't really their friend at the end.

This was the same Trump who publicly dismissed the challenges to the H1B program shortly after assuming office in January 2025, saying 'I see both sides of the argument'. And of course it is the same trump who has turned fairly hostile to India since the May 2025 Pakistan-India conflict. The MAGA crowd are indeed his political base but he had dismissed their concerns about jobs lost to H1Bs before. So why is he different now?? I tend to think he is trying to extract major concerns from India, having rightly sensed that India doesn't have much options left.
As to India-Russia, I can't believe people still put weight in that relationship!! People, even seasoned analysts, are still stuck in the Cold War era. India will dump Russia in a heartbeat given the chance to avail a much better alternate.

The fee simply calls the bluffs of delusional people who say these people are skilled and vetted. (Indian narrative)
In fact they are probably barely tested for the roles.
And therefore they know that if companies really really have to identify the top talent then the hiring will drop enormously.

The companies have been finding and making 'the top talent' out of the medicre Indians imported via the H1B program for decades and will try hard to continue that practice unless severe checks are placed on the companies, which remains to be seen. But at least short term, this is a huge blow to India, on top of what Trump already piling them up. 2025 is a real bad year for India.
 
What strikes me is that USA is really serious about this, at a stage where there aren't even that many Indian migrant workers there relative to the overall population. Canada and UK are beyond the point of redemption now and nobody here even cares!

Technology is effectively synonymous to national security and prestige, look at intel and tiktok purchase etc direct government

Because it's linked to prestige American graduates have to be making their way into tech significantly otherwise people won't bother with an expensive education.

That affects confidence in the system

Yes it's rational.

To summise: the fraudulent element is a threat, the arrival of criminals is a threat, AND the denial of jobs to American born/naturalised citizens is also a threat.


The process, ecosystem and volumes is a threat and worry, sure America turned a blind eye but now choosing not to
 

Indian shares fall as US visa crackdown triggers near $10-billion sell-off in IT stocks

Reuters Published about 2 hours ago

Indian equity benchmarks declined on Monday, dragged by key information technology stocks that lost roughly $10 billion in combined market capitalisation after the U.S. unveiled a steep fee on new H-1B visa applications.

The Nifty 50 slipped 0.49% to 25,202.35, while the BSE Sensex dropped 0.56% to 82,159.97.

The broader small-cap and mid-cap indices also declined 1.2% and 0.7%, respectively.


The Nifty IT index the second-heaviest sector on the benchmarks, tumbled 3%, with nine of its 10 constituents in the red.

Infosys TCS Tech Mahindra and Wipro declined about 2.2%-3.1%, leading the Nifty 50 losers. The sell-off erased around 854.33 billion rupees ($9.67 billion) in market value from the IT gauge.

On Friday, U.S. President Donald Trump’s administration announced a $100,000 fee on new H-1B applications.

Indians made up 71% of approved H-1B beneficiaries last year. India’s $283 billion IT industry, which derives 57% of revenue from the U.S., has long leaned on the visa program and outsourcing to support growth.

“The new H-1B visa fee will raise operating costs for Indian IT services companies,” said Sweta Patodia, assistant vice president at Moody’s Ratings. “It adds to the threat of a possible 25% outsourcing tax under the proposed HIRE Act.”

Pharma stocks which also rely heavily on U.S. revenues, also fell 1.4%. Ten of the other 14 major sectors declined, as foreign investors likely stepped up their selling, according to analysts.

“Despite trade uncertainty and higher H-1B fees, the government’s pro-growth stance through tax cuts and policy easing still makes Indian equities attractive,” UBS Global Wealth Management said in a note.

Among other stocks, Adani group companies extended gains after regulators dismissed two Hindenburg allegations. Adani Power surged 20% on news SBI Mutual Fund and Citadel Securities bought shares offloaded by GQG.
 
This beautiful lady has an axe to grind against anyone NOT WHITE in America. Here is her take on this.

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@Meengla sb

2025 is a real bad year for India.

Indeed, sir, 2025 has been an annus horiblis for us.

Regards
 
@hydrabadi_arab

Hydra bro,

Pakistan strategic relations were limited to military. Didn't ask to take millions of people or billions $ investment. Our generals were happy with some rent.

OK, got it. Pakistan's relationship with US were purely strategic. The Jarnails got some rent, US got some geopolitical services- there was no offer to invest in PAK or to take millions of skilled labour. OTOH, US relation with India was economic. USA promised to give us trillions (?) of dollars of investment and take millions of our skilled labour. In return, IND promised them babaji ka thullu (aka a non-existent promise of fighting on US's behalf). Both these set of transactions seems to be perfect to me.

Let's hope PRC and KSA enter into similar set of relations with PAK and IND.

Regards
 
USA promised to give us trillions (?) of dollars of investment and take millions of our skilled labour. In return, IND promised them babaji ka thullu (aka a non-existent promise of fighting on US's behalf). Both these set of transactions seems to be perfect to me.


Your skilled labor, self described, is disposable and relies on Western genorousity, since they serve no utility within India. We can see what happens when the west doesn't want to pretend



Your dollars are really not yours to own, but are demanded to be reinvested back into America. How do you own them?

Pakistan got a nuclear deterrent which i feel is much more tangible, you still have value from it decades on.

You guys got some cheap laughs about Pakistan, I'll concede this, long may it humour your WhatsApp groups and enrich your perception of civilization.
 
@hydrabadi_arab

Hydra bro,

Pakistan strategic relations were limited to military. Didn't ask to take millions of people or billions $ investment. Our generals were happy with some rent.

OK, got it. Pakistan's relationship with US were purely strategic. The Jarnails got some rent, US got some geopolitical services- there was no offer to invest in PAK or to take millions of skilled labour. OTOH, US relation with India was economic. USA promised to give us trillions (?) of dollars of investment and take millions of our skilled labour. In return, IND promised them babaji ka thullu (aka a non-existent promise of fighting on US's behalf). Both these set of transactions seems to be perfect to me.

Let's hope PRC and KSA enter into similar set of relations with PAK and IND.

Regards

India promised USA that they will fight China. Once you backed off USA no longer have to put up with must one sided trade relationship in history.
 
@r3alist bro

Your skilled labor is disposable and relies on Western genorousity, since they serve no utility within India. We can see what happens when the west doesn't want to pretend

There is a thing called dignity of labour. It provides services and in return it receives a wage. No generosity involved. West is free NOT to use Indian labour- and I am sure if they find more skilled labour at the same or lower price, they will do it pronto. We must wait till then. If you are right, we will see it tomorrow onwards.

Your dollars are really not yours to own, but are demanded to be reinvested back into America.

How exactly can they force us to reinvest them back in America?

Pakistan got a nuclear deterrent which i feel is much more tangible.

Of course it has a value. Who is denying it?

Regards
 

Trump's new $100,000 visa fee sets off panic and confusion​

The White House clarified its change to H-1B visas after workers, companies and foreign governments scrambled to respond to its latest immigration crackdown.

Sept. 21, 2025, 5:39 AM EDT / Updated Sept. 21, 2025, 10:21 AM EDT
By Freddie Clayton and Matteo Moschella

The surprise order from the Trump administration imposing a new $100,000 fee on some visas set off a day of frantic travel as workers, companies and foreign governments scrambled to respond to Washington's latest immigration crackdown.

By the time the White House clarified that existing holders of the H-1B visas for skilled workers were not affected, the chaos had already been sewn: U.S. allies expressed concern and their nationals abandoned holidays, business trips and plans to see their families as they raced back to America before the new rules took effect Sunday.



President Donald Trump on Friday signed the proclamation requiring companies to pay the fee to obtain the visas, which major tech companies rely on to fill high-skilled jobs.

The order offered little clarity, however, about whether the steep new charge applied only to new applications or might also ensnare people seeking renewals and even those already holding valid visas.

The ambiguity was enough to trigger a worst-case interpretation inside boardrooms and across living rooms from Bengaluru to London.

India’s government said the measure was likely to have “humanitarian consequences by way of the disruption caused for families,” adding the “full implications of the measure” were being studied.

For a tense 24 hours, workers feared they could be locked out of the United States altogether.

Tech companies and banks sent urgent memos advising employees not to leave the country. Bags were packed, tickets bought and families left behind as visa holders scrambled to beat what they believed was a looming deadline.

Video verified by NBC News showed chaos and confusion on a flight from San Francisco to Dubai after Trump’s announcement.

The captain is heard citing “unprecedented” circumstances, saying, “There’s a number of passengers that do not wish to travel with us.”

The passenger who posted the video on Instagram said that a number of people chose to leave the aircraft and that he was stuck “in the same spot for over three hours, waiting for the flight to depart.”

Microsoft, Amazon and Goldman Sachs were among the companies that sent urgent e-mails to H-1B holders with travel advisories.

It was only on Saturday that officials sought to tamp down the turmoil, explaining that the $100,000 levy was a one-time charge, limited to new petitions, and that existing visa holders — including those overseas — would not be affected.

“The Proclamation does not apply to anyone who has a current visa,” the White House rapid response account said on X, clarifying that the proclamation applies only to future applications.

Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick had said Friday that companies would have to pay $100,000 per year for H-1B worker visas. But White House spokesperson Karoline Leavitt said Saturday on X that it was not an annual fee, only a one-time fee that applied to each petition.

But the scramble had already left its mark.

Rohan Singh, a manufacturing engineer in North Carolina, canceled his plan to visit India, saying there was “panic among H-1B visa holders,”

“We don’t know what’s ahead,” he told the Reuters news agency.

People on H-1B visas also shared their experiences of rushing back to the United States on the popular Chinese social media app Rednote, according to Reuters, in some cases shortly after having landed in other countries.

On Friday, "the prevailing interpretation" was that people abroad needed to come back before the deadline, Grace Shie, an immigration lawyer at Mayer Brown, told NBC News.

"There was certainly that flurry, because for organizations big and small, they would have to get that message out, and the earlier the better," she said.

India was the largest beneficiary of H-1B visas last year, accounting for 71% of approved beneficiaries, while China was a distant second at 11.7%, according to government data.

New Delhi and Washington are set to resume trade negotiations on the Trump administration’s steep tariffs, but in a sign of how ties have strained, Prime Minister Narendra Modi asked people in a public address Sunday to increase use of locally made products rather than foreign ones.

South Korea, which is still reeling from a Sept. 4 raid by immigration authorities on a Hyundai battery plant in Georgia, also said it was paying close attention to the change.

“When the government announces a major new policy potentially affecting the lives of hundreds of thousands of people in an extremely concrete way,“ Aaron Reichlin-Melnick, a senior fellow at the American Immigration Council, said on X. “AT THE VERY LEAST it owes people precise information.”

Trump "promised to put American workers first, and this commonsense action does just that by discouraging companies from spamming the system and driving down wages,” Taylor Rogers, a White House spokeswoman, told NBC News. “It also gives certainty to American businesses who actually want to bring high-skilled workers to our great country but have been trampled on by abuses of the system.”

The proclamation is a win for immigration hard-liners on Capitol Hill, but it is likely to rankle tech executives seeking qualified workers from abroad.

Amazon, Meta, Google, Apple and Walmart are among the biggest users of visas under the program, which President George H.W. Bush signed into law in 1990.

The fee had ranged from $2,000 to $5,000 per application.

Trump said Friday that tech companies would be pleased with the changes.

“I think they’re going to be very happy. Everyone’s going to be happy,” he said.

 
@hydrabadi_arab

Hydra bro,

Once you backed off USA no longer have to put up with must one sided trade relationship in history.

We understand that USA is a sovereign country and we respect its rights to conduct its international relationship in a matter it deems fit.

Regards
 
@r3alist bro

Your skilled labor is disposable and relies on Western genorousity, since they serve no utility within India. We can see what happens when the west doesn't want to pretend

There is a thing called dignity of labour. It provides services and in return it receives a wage. No generosity involved. West is free NOT to use Indian labour- and I am sure if they find more skilled labour at the same or lower price, they will do it pronto. We must wait till then. If you are right, we will see it tomorrow onwards.

Your dollars are really not yours to own, but are demanded to be reinvested back into America.

How exactly can they force us to reinvest them back in America?

Pakistan got a nuclear deterrent which i feel is much more tangible.

Of course it has a value. Who is denying it?

Regards


Dignity in "labour" or stealing a wage?The host nation opines below


"Some employers, using practices now widely adopted by entire sectors, have abused the H-1B statute and its regulations to artificially suppress wages, resulting in a disadvantageous labor market for American citizens, while at the same time making it more difficult to attract and retain the highest skilled subset of temporary workers, with the largest impact seen in critical science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM) fields. "



You will have to invest or face consequences, undeniable. Long may you resist in keeping them.



So what are you left with, 1.5 billion youth dividend..... of course👍🏽
 
When Trump said to India they have a dead economy, he wasn't lieing. The bubble is about to burst.
 

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