Trump ally Charlie Kirk shot at campus event in Utah

Comparing a person who used his tongue with those who killed millions is bit absurd.
He started his career as anti muslim however before his death his mind was changed. Allah forgives those who change their mind.
Alot of Muslim scholars actually support him.
Muslims really need to get out of this stupid mentality where we just trying to make even a staunch hater of Islam Muslim, I remember when Jordan Peterson before and right after doing a video with Muhammad Hijab, lots of people were like maybe he will become a Muslim, we should pray for his conversion, stop this BS for God sake... why is that we need some White man to become Muslim and give testimony to justify our own doubts about Islam ? we got people like Andrew Tate using the Islam to gain some social media support and still been a huge D1ck, we have plenty of Muslims in the world, educate them first rather than bringing every tom dick and harry into Islam only because coming from a white guy satisfy some people.
 
Muslims really need to get out of this stupid mentality where we just trying to make even a staunch hater of Islam Muslim, I remember when Jordan Peterson before and right after doing a video with Muhammad Hijab, lots of people were like maybe he will become a Muslim, we should pray for his conversion, stop this BS for God sake... why is that we need some White man to become Muslim and give testimony to justify our own doubts about Islam ? we got people like Andrew Tate using the Islam to gain some social media support and still been a huge D1ck, we have plenty of Muslims in the world, educate them first rather than bringing every tom dick and harry into Islam only because coming from a white guy satisfy some people.


THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.............I started a thread about this a couple of months back. Muslims in the west have this weird morbid fascination of wanting to convert white europeans to Islalm. They have this SEVERE indian like inferiority complex that if they convert goreh to Islam, it is validates Islam and is a big achievement for Muslims........... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:..................:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:



PS You should ALWAYS be wary and VERY suspicious of white europeans who convert to Islam. NEVER trust them.
 
While there are many, like MANY factors I can put in as to why the country has become as divisive as today, the issue stems from education and the weaponisation of information.

In the old days (When I mean old, I mean 20 plus years ago), you had people that would think for themselves, and think of the next generation, this is all but gone now, that's because majority of American don't get the education they deserved, I mean look at it this way, I was from the US, I lived in Canada, Australia, Sweden, Hong Kong, the common theme for Canada, Australia, Sweden and Hong Kong is Higher Education is either readily accessible or is completely free. I had studied in the Chinese University of Hong Kong for free for 2 years under a "Grant-Loan" scheme, and my wife attended University in Malmö for free; that's just how higher education in Sweden is. I had done 2 degrees in Australia because the government has a low-cost loan that you don't need to pay if you don't earn money, and a subsidy I can apply (called Austudy) that can supplement my income while I study. None of these, all these, are available in the US, which means Americans (53%)are lower than Canada (66%), Australia (55%) or even Russia (62%) in terms of higher education Attainment level, in term of percentage, it may be similar, but when you look at the absolute value, over 150 million American are without degree (That's the entire population in Russia), only ~10 million Canadian, 8 million Australian are without a degree.

Now, people without a degree are not an issue, if we were back in the days, because we didn't have social media, and the internet back in the early 2000s, so people would still try to digest news themselves, and think for themselves. But with social media now, we don't get our news from newspapers, which just report on the news, and have you digest it, we now have pre-digested news from social media platforms. I mean, if you follow Benny Johnson, you will get nothing but right-wing news, or if you follow Medhi Hasan, you will get nothing but left-wing news. So people started to just listen to what these personalities have to say, and believe this is true. And they don't process information themselves anymore, that's created a definite divide because people who follow Benny Johnson are most likely not going to follow Medhi Hasan and vice versa, so you have two complete opposite spectrums, and people fall in line, form groups based on these two spectrums. That's how a population is defined.

But then you might think, wasn't it the same 20 years ago when you had Fox on the right and CNN on the left? Yes, but back then, we didn't have a cultural war happening. I remember what George Carlin said, when you have to define a problem using the word "Wars" like war on drugs, war on terror, war on crime, war on poverty, gender war, and so on, that's benefits nobody but it's just a vessel that takes away discourse and makes money off it. I mean, you don't see it as a problem where it should be, but something you need to win over it, that's what war mean, I know becuase I fought in war myself, there are only one goal, which is to win, which mean you don't actually address the problem, you are just trying to win an argument. This leads to a very dangerous game when we are talking about Politics, especially in the American political structure. The Founding Fathers chose the way Congress, the Senate, and the office of the President work is to make compromise, that's it. It's that simple, because nobody could control all 3 lobbies in absolutely at the same time, you can control the Congress, the Senate and Presidency, but without 2/3 of vote, it won't work in most case, unlike European or Australian system, where you win, then winner takes all, which when this "Warring" culture comes in, instead of focusing on the issue at hand, you just try to win the argument, and your goal is not to further the American agenda, improve people life, no sir, your goal in congress is to not let the other party win, that's why you were there to vote down proposal from the other party, that's because you can't let them win. So when you don't have enough in the house, you need bipartisan support. That's not going anywhere. That's why it takes 10 years to process a bill to modernise roads, ports, and airports.

But at the same time, the problem will not go away when you are playing the political game, which then, as a citizen, you started to hate the other party, Democrats started hating Republican,s and Republicans started hating Democrats, and you keep that fed year after year, you grew further apart, that's how and why America is so divisive now.

And you know it's true because, going back to the Jonathan Pie video I posted, we are coming down to a point where you want to know which political affiliation the shooter who killed Charlie Kirk was, or the shooter who killed Melissa Hortmann was, and be glad it was not "one of yours" (If it sound familiar, that's the same as you hope that the next mass shooter is not Muslim and being called a terrorist, that's the same thing) that is where you know you are divided, because whatever that shooter believe in, be it Republican or Democrats, or Islam or Christianity or Buddism, it has nothing to do with the act itself, the act was carried out by one man, I mean, did we question Lee Harvey Oswald what his political afflilation was after he shot JFK? No, he is an American, and he has done this horrible act, and whether you are from the Left or Right, you shouldn't feel glad, elated, or ashamed for him being or not being one of you. That burden was shared as long as you were an American...
And all this gap is getting further and further, us vs them... Americans vs Immigrants, Left vs Right, Republicans vs Democrats etc... that is not healthy for a country, the pendulum swings both ways, yes Trump and his right wing Govt including his supporters gloat over ICE raids, illegal arrests, borderline dehumanizing people who came to US looking for a better life, that once people on left or some in center will have enough they will vote Republicans out, but I think a lot of damage is already done, what stop the Republicans to declare their next defeat as Stolen and Attack Congress again like Jan 6th? what if this time they did end up getting some US congressmen/women ? what if this time more deaths occur ? what if some right wing nut job decide to take law in his own hands ? we know people are armed to the teeth and their hate for the "Other" side has reached point where I saw Social media post where people show ZERO sympathy for even the kids, I saw people making fun of dead and dismembered kids from Gaza, I saw posts people making fun of that Palestinian kid who was stabbed in his own house in US, I saw people make fun of a little girl who's father was getting arrested by ICE, like is that what the world has come to ?

You know I used to go my local mosque in Pakistan, and from 2008 onwards I noticed that at every Friday Prayer there was one Police constable stand guard, than between 2010 to 2016 I noticed 2 Police men and a car is always parked near by, It always leaves a bad taste for me because no Place of worship should be guarded by Police, people whatever their issues are with Govt/military or other faiths, places of worship should never be attacked, but when I moved here to Tampa and I went to Islamic center of Tampa, and I saw 2 Police SUV cars with 2 cops in all geared up with their Rifles sitting on next seat, it really makes me sad that I came from a place where we have cops guarding Places of worship to another place where cops guarding places of Worship, that's just sad for me.
 
THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.............I started a thread about this a couple of months back. Muslims in the west have this weird morbid fascination of wanting to convert white europeans to Islalm. They have this SEVERE indian like inferiority complex that if they convert goreh to Islam, it is validates Islam and is a big achievement for Muslims........... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:..................:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:



PS You should ALWAYS be wary and VERY suspicious of white europeans who convert to Islam. NEVER trust them.
Yeah that Gora Saheb mentality the Islamic version, they love it when a Gora or white guy say something positive or agree with Islamic position, didn't you notice that compared to brown Muslim youtube vlogger's the white guys and girls gain much attention? some people made their whole career and a lot of money out of this, and I am not saying its wrong or I am questioning their decision to convert but this one thing really bothers me where people like David wood, and other right wing hard core haters of Islam who call our Prophet Pedo****** and many other nasty stuff, we have people act like aww he is wrong and we should pray to God for his guidance etc, but God forbid if a brown poor man from Pakistan even as make a non offensive comment, we take out our swords to kill over blasphemy, this is just outright pathetic behavior from Muslims. Charlie kirk has very negative views about Islam, in fact if it was for people like him America would not have any Muslim living here legally or illegally, he showed ZERO sympathy towards kids of Palestine or starvation or anything but just because he said 1-2 vague statements about Israel somehow our Muslims are already making Dua's for his Maghfirat and wishing that he become a Muslim, I mean some people just hold hate for XYZ reason, his reasons could be based on his Christian faith or hate for Islam or because of Israel Idk but I don't want a person like that to ever become Muslim because if he hate Muslims to a point where he can't even sympathize with a starving kids or blown up kid, I don't need a man like that to ever become a Muslim.
 
Yeah that Gora Saheb mentality the Islamic version, they love it when a Gora or white guy say something positive or agree with Islamic position, didn't you notice that compared to brown Muslim youtube vlogger's the white guys and girls gain much attention? some people made their whole career and a lot of money out of this, and I am not saying its wrong or I am questioning their decision to convert but this one thing really bothers me where people like David wood, and other right wing hard core haters of Islam who call our Prophet Pedo****** and many other nasty stuff, we have people act like aww he is wrong and we should pray to God for his guidance etc, but God forbid if a brown poor man from Pakistan even as make a non offensive comment, we take out our swords to kill over blasphemy, this is just outright pathetic behavior from Muslims. Charlie kirk has very negative views about Islam, in fact if it was for people like him America would not have any Muslim living here legally or illegally, he showed ZERO sympathy towards kids of Palestine or starvation or anything but just because he said 1-2 vague statements about Israel somehow our Muslims are already making Dua's for his Maghfirat and wishing that he become a Muslim, I mean some people just hold hate for XYZ reason, his reasons could be based on his Christian faith or hate for Islam or because of Israel Idk but I don't want a person like that to ever become Muslim because if he hate Muslims to a point where he can't even sympathize with a starving kids or blown up kid, I don't need a man like that to ever become a Muslim.



It bothers me a lot too. Unfortunately some Pakistanis/Muslims have an indian like inferiority complex whereby they almost worship white europeans who convert to Islam. Personally, I do NOT like whites or blacks who convert to Islam. I am very suspicious and wary of their motives and don't consider them as REAL Muslims.

Charlie kirk deserved being killed. He was an ardent Islamaphobe who celebrated and mocked the deaths of Palestinian children and babies. andrew tate is NOT a Muslim. He is a mixed race grifter who has NO faith, connection or loyalty to Islam. In fact mixed-race people never have any LOYALTY to any community, religion or belief system.
 
Muslims really need to get out of this stupid mentality where we just trying to make even a staunch hater of Islam Muslim, I remember when Jordan Peterson before and right after doing a video with Muhammad Hijab, lots of people were like maybe he will become a Muslim, we should pray for his conversion, stop this BS for God sake... why is that we need some White man to become Muslim and give testimony to justify our own doubts about Islam ? we got people like Andrew Tate using the Islam to gain some social media support and still been a huge D1ck, we have plenty of Muslims in the world, educate them first rather than bringing every tom dick and harry into Islam only because coming from a white guy satisfy some people.

DA, where did i say Charlie was gonna become a Muslim?
He was killed by zios for simply questioning the very same people who fed him.
 
Muslims really need to get out of this stupid mentality where we just trying to make even a staunch hater of Islam Muslim, I remember when Jordan Peterson before and right after doing a video with Muhammad Hijab, lots of people were like maybe he will become a Muslim, we should pray for his conversion, stop this BS for God sake... why is that we need some White man to become Muslim and give testimony to justify our own doubts about Islam ? we got people like Andrew Tate using the Islam to gain some social media support and still been a huge D1ck, we have plenty of Muslims in the world, educate them first rather than bringing every tom dick and harry into Islam only because coming from a white guy satisfy some people.
Excellent post.

We do indeed need to improve ourselves first and foremost.
 
There were millions of people that agreed with Hitler. There were millions of people that actively supported slavery in America. Masses of people are perfectly capable of supporting awful figures and ideas.

I don't care what these people have to say, they're as bad as him, and I wish them the worst.

Charlie Kirk was a c*nt, and I'm glad he's dead.

He will be judged on his intentions.

After all, a kaffir is one who covers up or conceals the truth. In order to conceal truth, you must know it to begin with.

Perhaps he genuinely believed what the zionists rammed down his gullible throat.

Perhaps he genuinely believed that his g-d entered the planet through a birthing process only to kill himself because he couldn't figure out a way to forgive humanity other than through his own blood and will return after his "chosen" people that don't even believe in him and think he's boiling in excrement will do a genocide. Upon his return he'll kill all his "chosen" ones that refuse to convert despite being chosen and will take Kirk and his kin up to heaven in rapture. Perhaps he genuinely believed in that?


....God will judge his intentions, in the end he seemed to question reality. Perhaps he was waking up.

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And all this gap is getting further and further, us vs them... Americans vs Immigrants, Left vs Right, Republicans vs Democrats etc... that is not healthy for a country, the pendulum swings both ways, yes Trump and his right wing Govt including his supporters gloat over ICE raids, illegal arrests, borderline dehumanizing people who came to US looking for a better life, that once people on left or some in center will have enough they will vote Republicans out, but I think a lot of damage is already done, what stop the Republicans to declare their next defeat as Stolen and Attack Congress again like Jan 6th? what if this time they did end up getting some US congressmen/women ? what if this time more deaths occur ? what if some right wing nut job decide to take law in his own hands ? we know people are armed to the teeth and their hate for the "Other" side has reached point where I saw Social media post where people show ZERO sympathy for even the kids, I saw people making fun of dead and dismembered kids from Gaza, I saw posts people making fun of that Palestinian kid who was stabbed in his own house in US, I saw people make fun of a little girl who's father was getting arrested by ICE, like is that what the world has come to ?

You know I used to go my local mosque in Pakistan, and from 2008 onwards I noticed that at every Friday Prayer there was one Police constable stand guard, than between 2010 to 2016 I noticed 2 Police men and a car is always parked near by, It always leaves a bad taste for me because no Place of worship should be guarded by Police, people whatever their issues are with Govt/military or other faiths, places of worship should never be attacked, but when I moved here to Tampa and I went to Islamic center of Tampa, and I saw 2 Police SUV cars with 2 cops in all geared up with their Rifles sitting on next seat, it really makes me sad that I came from a place where we have cops guarding Places of worship to another place where cops guarding places of Worship, that's just sad for me.
What I will say is. When I was studying Politics in college back in the US, my favourite debate was the First Amendment. The First Amendment was made in a way trying to make us more sensible and more sensitive to each other by being well informed, but instead, most of the time, it has actually been used to advance an agenda by being infused with racial or political overtone, and then both sides, left or righ,t claim to be the defender of First Amendment to an effect to silent the other side speech. Maybe we don't actually deserve to have the First Amendment if this is being used wrong.

Take me as an example, I had been called a lefty here by some of the more right-wing members (not going to name names), and at the same time, I was being called right-wing, warmonger, by some people on the left. Take the LGBT issue, for example. I don't get it, I don't know why people wants to be homosexual and fall in love with the same sex, and I will not teach my kids (If I had one, and this is the reason I don't) 16 different pronoun or have them use it, but I don't go out and say "Gays are wrong" and "People can only be male or female", if someone wants their kids to be label he/she/them/it/X or whatever, that's their business, I don't have any right to say anything about that, and certainly not in the government right to force people to use all of those, or force people to use just male/female, that's for me, is the same oppression, but if you are into Gay Right, you would think I am conservative, or even far right, on the other hand, if you are into gender correctness, you would think I am a lefty.

Essentially, both sides are doing the same thing to each other, using the same ideology to attack each other.

At this point, if what we are hoping for is an admin that's doing less damage than the other, then I will say we are truely F.cked...

As for the Police in front of a place of Worship, it makes you wonder was they were used to protect people on the inside or the people of the outside, don't you think?
 
Here is just one example. Alot of Muslims who hated him are slowly realizing that Charlie was changing his mind.
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His increasing disapproval of Israel has nothing to do with his hatred of Muslims.

He hated Muslims til his dying breath.

Also, Ali Dawah is kind of a clown. I dont take him seriously.

I won't let more clowns claiming to be Muslims try and excuse his hatred. Too many Muslims think they have more in common with white racists than they do with other minorities.
 

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His increasing disapproval of Israel has nothing to do with his hatred of Muslims.

He hated Muslims til his dying breath.

Also, Ali Dawah is kind of a clown. I dont take him seriously.

I won't let more clowns claiming to be Muslims try and excuse his hatred. Too many Muslims think they have more in common with white racists than they do with other minorities.


Not sure if you have been following Charlie kirk assassination on social media since main stream is only showing government narrative but almost every other channel is pointing finger at Israel. Infact Tucker openly blamed Israel at Kirk's memorial in conservative crowd. Thats because there is evidence of Kirk having second opinion on Israel.
This is not about gora validation thing but the fact that even a hard liner conservative like Kirk was slowly turning against Israel. If maj Gurav comes out tomorrow and says Palgam attack was an inside job and Kashmiris have right to their own land and dies the next day to me he will be a hero even though he had shitty past.
 
Not sure if you have been following Charlie kirk assassination on social media since main stream is only showing government narrative but almost every other channel is pointing finger at Israel. Infact Tucker openly blamed Israel at Kirk's memorial in conservative crowd. Thats because there is evidence of Kirk having second opinion on Israel.
This is not about gora validation thing but the fact that even a hard liner conservative like Kirk was slowly turning against Israel. If maj Gurav comes out tomorrow and says Palgam attack was an inside job and Kashmiris have right to their own land and dies the next day to me he will be a hero even though he had shitty past.
This is bad logic.

First, Tucker Carlson is also a fascist piece of trash who hates Muslims and Jews.

Second, there is zero evidence that Kirk was changing his mind, and we only have words from people who are known to lie. Taking the words of liars at face value will only lead to bad results.

Third, one's death does not absolve the way they lived. Kirk spent his life ranting and raving about minorities, which have led to the harming and killing of innocent people. I will never forgive him for that.
 

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