Breaking: First F-47 Sixth-Gen Fighter Already Being Built, Expected to Fly in 2028

[iblini]

Bro.
There's no need to engage in such meaningless verbal battles.

They firmly believe they are God's children. When they encounter difficulties, God will come to their aid.

We firmly believe that when we encounter difficulties, only we can help ourselves. We are God!

Not that we are god but we decided our own fate by overcome any hardships.

 

[Frogen]

“Just love looking at this picture,” Secretary of the Air Force Troy Meink had said during his own keynote at the conference today, which came just ahead of Allvin’s speech, referring specifically to the F-47 rendering seen below. “I expect some of the Chinese Intel analysts are spending a lot of time looking at this picture. Good luck trying to dig something out of there. Pretty careful about that.”

First F-47 6th Generation Fighter Now Being Built

The USAF hopes to see the F-47 take to the skies for the first time in 2028.

www.twz.com

When a country declines, even the tone and demeanor of its senior generals deteriorate. If even U.S. generals begin addressing adversaries with the swagger of street thugs, you should understand—this nation is now deeply insecure, and its deterrent power is collapsing at an alarming rate.

 

[hasssanali8998]

God's children

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Boeings NGAD prototype has been flying since 2019. Think of that as the YF-22. It flew more hours than either YF-22 or 23 prototypes. ...

And, for how long have the Chinese J-36 and J-50 prototypes been flying before their flights were made public?

 

[MH.Yang]

Bro.
There's no need to engage in such meaningless verbal battles.

They firmly believe they are God's children. When they encounter difficulties, God will come to their aid.

We firmly believe that when we encounter difficulties, only we can help ourselves. We are God!

Conservative white men in the United States believe that only white men are human.

They believe that women are one of their ribs. They believe that black people are animals endowed with souls. They believe that Latinx people are the spoils of their missionary work. And Asians are laborers living in underground laundry rooms.

The true purpose of MAGA is to make women and other races obey commands, while white men rule the earth for God.

The Chinese people sneered at these MAGAs and turned around to leave. The Indian people flattered and applauded in agreement, and offered themselves as Dalit foremen in the laundry room.

 

[lightning f57]

The US has already flown its prototypes in the NGAD program. First F-47 will be production representative

Referring to your post quotes below: its clear the actual test plane will fly in 2028. US main rival test plane first flew late 2024 so infact the US 4 years behind in its first test flight v main rival.

That may be ok as some prototypes have flown whether of the exact configuration is speculative but likely subsystems, engines etc may have been tested. However the history of US fighter programs tells us there will be delays, I think this will more likely first fly closer to 2030.

The first F-47 Next-Generation Air Dominance fighter will be ready to fly by 2028, and the first airframe is already being built

The team is committed to getting the first one flying in 2028.”

they are already beginning to manufacture the first article,” Allvin said, referring to the first test aircraft.

 

[F-22Raptor]

Referring to your post quotes below: its clear the actual test plane will fly in 2028. US main rival test plane first flew late 2024 so infact the US 4 years behind in its first test flight v main rival.

That may be ok as some prototypes have flown whether of the exact configuration is speculative but likely subsystems, engines etc may have been tested. However the history of US fighter programs tells us there will be delays, I think this will more likely first fly closer to 2030.

No, Boeing and Lockheeds NGAD aircraft were full scale prototypes, and each flew hundreds of hours.

Yes the first batch of F-47 will be test aircraft similar to how today’s B-21s are in testing but production representative. First F-47 will be production representative and test only to validate expected performance. The prototyping stage of technological advancement and risk reduction has long since been completed by NGAD.

 

[Nuffle]

Referring to your post quotes below: its clear the actual test plane will fly in 2028. US main rival test plane first flew late 2024 so infact the US 4 years behind in its first test flight v main rival.

That may be ok as some prototypes have flown whether of the exact configuration is speculative but likely subsystems, engines etc may have been tested. However the history of US fighter programs tells us there will be delays, I think this will more likely first fly closer to 2030.

Baghdad Bob is in denial.

What was "supposedly" flying in 2019-2020 were technology demonstrators, not prototypes.

No NGAD was flying during this period. They can even cite a 2020 article that uses the word "prototype" incorrectly, even though the Air Force official cited didn't use that word.

In other words, the Americans are clearly starting to build the prototype (for 2028, but possibly later) to enter service by the mid-2030s or later.

 

[F-22Raptor]

Baghdad Bob is in denial.

What was "supposedly" flying in 2019-2020 were technology demonstrators, not prototypes.

No NGAD was flying during this period. They can even cite a 2020 article that uses the word "prototype" incorrectly, even though the Air Force official cited didn't use that word.

In other words, the Americans are clearly starting to build the prototype (for 2028, but possibly later) to enter service by the mid-2030s or later.

They were full scale prototypes that flew several hundred hours each, more than YF-22 or 23.

The first F-47 will be production representative, just like B-21 today. There is no more prototype stage.

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[F-22Raptor]

Baghdad Bob is in denial.

What was "supposedly" flying in 2019-2020 were technology demonstrators, not prototypes.

No NGAD was flying during this period. They can even cite a 2020 article that uses the word "prototype" incorrectly, even though the Air Force official cited didn't use that word.

In other words, the Americans are clearly starting to build the prototype (for 2028, but possibly later) to enter service by the mid-2030s or later.

“We’ve been flying a prototype for quite some time,” Steve Parker, Boeing’s interim defense unit CEO, said in a Tuesday briefing with reporters here at the Avalon air show when asked why taxpayers should believe the company can perform. “And we won the program. So that is a maturity stamp that I’ll give you right then and there.”

‘No smoke and mirrors’ with Boeing’s NGAD win, executive says - Breaking Defense

“We’ve been flying a prototype for quite some time,” said Steve Parker, Boeing’s interim defense unit CEO. “And we won the program. So that is a maturity stamp that I’ll give you right then and there.”

breakingdefense.com

Again, a full scale prototype that has flown several hundred hours.

 

[lightning f57]

“We’ve been flying a prototype for quite some time,” Steve Parker, Boeing’s interim defense unit CEO, said in a Tuesday briefing with reporters here at the Avalon air show when asked why taxpayers should believe the company can perform. “And we won the program. So that is a maturity stamp that I’ll give you right then and there.”

‘No smoke and mirrors’ with Boeing’s NGAD win, executive says - Breaking Defense

“We’ve been flying a prototype for quite some time,” said Steve Parker, Boeing’s interim defense unit CEO. “And we won the program. So that is a maturity stamp that I’ll give you right then and there.”

breakingdefense.com

Again, a full scale prototype that has flown several hundred hours.

Ok help me understand this.

Prototypes already flown so are you saying they have settled with a final design which will have a test subject ready for 2028, which will then undergo trials and other tests ahead of production run.

If so we are still talking 5 years or more before entering full production.

 

[F-22Raptor]

Ok help me understand this.

Prototypes already flown so are you saying they have settled with a final design which will have a test subject ready for 2028, which will then undergo trials and other tests ahead of production run.

If so we are still talking 5 years or more before entering full production.

First F-47s will be for testing to validate expected performance in flight and mission/weapons systems, very similar to B-21 today. F-47 will be production representative upon unveiling. Operational capability likely in 5-7 years.

 

[MH.Yang]

This news is that the F-47 is expected to make its maiden flight in 2028, rather than starting mass production in 2028. Do not intentionally confuse concepts. It is a naive fantasy to believe that the United States will enter service with 6G fighter jets in 2028.

The B-21 is not a 6G fighter jet either. The standards for 6G fighter jets include:

1. Variable cycle engines and hypersonic cruising (reaching speeds of up to 5 Mach). The B-21 uses F-135 engines and is only subsonic.

2. Using AI as the core of avionics, it can make autonomous decisions for combat and control swarm drones, making it a node in the air combat network. B-21 does not possess these capabilities.

3. 6G fighter jets need to achieve omnidirectional wideband stealth, while B-21 can only achieve omnidirectional stealth.

btw: The omnidirectional wideband stealth technology used in 6G fighter jets refers to achieving stealth in multiple directions, including front, rear, left, right, up, and down, within multiple radar frequency bands such as very high frequency, ultra-high frequency, L, S, C, X, and Ku. The B-21 and 5G fighter jets can only be stealth in the L, S, C, and X bands, and cannot evade the capture of anti stealth radar.

4. 6G fighter jets have a disruptive aerodynamic layout and are equipped with directional energy weapons such as lasers. The B-21 adopts the flying wing layout that emerged during World War II and does not have any new directed energy weapons.




btw: Of course, some PDF members can claim that China's development of 6G fighter standards is not the standard for US 6G fighter jets. But you need to also acknowledge that the US 6G fighter standard is much lower than China's standard, and even about equal to the 5G fighter standard. Oh, I was wrong. The B-21 can't even meet one of the 5G fighter jet standards, supersonic cruising.

 

[MH.Yang]

I can do you one much better...

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Not B2 or B-21 and definitely not an unmanned aircraft since they are not allowed to fly near air traffic lanes.

Yes, yes. You can do better, lol。 Do you think anyone will believe you?

Even if some PDF members are not familiar with 6G fighter jets, don't they still understand the United States? Don't know about common American lies, corruption, inefficiency, technological fraud, and project scams?

I know the importance of the F-47 project. Those American homeless people who were about to freeze to death immediately felt proud of their American citizenship when they heard the news that the F-47 was about to test fly in 2028, then looked arrogantly at the foreigners driving luxury cars past his tent.

 

[niubi]

Allvin and others from the US government have plainly and specifically always used the word demonstrator and X-plane to describe what they flew in 2019 and 2020.

Some articles have used the word prototype before but officials never used that word as quoted. Whenever it is used, it was by journalists with no clue what a prototype or tech demonstrator aka X-plane even is.

There was an article from 2020 that uses the word prototype which was not from a quote from any official.

Maiden flight of the first F-47 implies prototype maiden flight. That's what a prototype is. The first of its kind. If one wants to make a case for F-47 prototype flying in 2020 well they need to answer why it was never referred to as such and no contractor was awarded the program to even produce prototypes until this year.

They also need to answer the more compelling question of if 2020 had F-47 prototype flying, then why is there a maiden flight set for 2028? If the maiden flight in 2028 is for initial production service version, why is it called the F-47 maiden flight?! Maiden flight literally is used to refer to first flying prototype's flight. That's the language used by the officials making these statements - demonstrator/ X-planes flew in 2019-20 to evaluate the program. Program awarded to Boeing in 2025, maiden flight (implying prototype) of F-47 from Boeing to fly in 2028.

If their 2028 maiden flight is the initial production version and 2020 was the first maiden flight of the F-47 predecessor (because they flew many demonstrators from various companies), then why obfuscate the language. Just plainly state that they had prototypes in 2020 and the 2028 is the initial production version. They have done the exact opposite and stated the 2020 flights for demonstrators perhaps even scaled down early concept demonstrators and that language has never been inconsistent. Only people who don't understand what this "" means in a news article got confused and the rest sniffed the copium. These guys will find their 2028 will indeed be prototypes and F-47 won't reach USAF service until much later.

It's really not that hard and in time will become obvious to those still willingly delusional.