Breaking: First F-47 Sixth-Gen Fighter Already Being Built, Expected to Fly in 2028

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

It's so funny to see this MAGA raptor jumping up and down today rushing here to trying to prove the Yankees are still the god chosen, but if someone is really confident, he doesn't need to mentioned another country in every post, oh buddy, surely we are on your neck you can't shake off now.

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almost all your pictures are in development phase with the exception of J-20

 

[iblini]

almost all your pictures are in development phase with the exception of J-20

Thank you for telling me, at least we know what our babies looks like.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Thank you for telling me, at least we know what our babies looks like.

And you don't know US mindset USAF/USN want more finished and complete projects to enter the production, rather than unfinished and Incomplete products inducted by China

And you kno what is X-plane and AERA-51, almost all NAVEDA state is a NO-FLY-ZONE

 

[iblini]

And you don't know US mindset USAF/USN want more finished and complete projects to enter the production, rather than unfinished and Incomplete products inducted by China

And you kno what is X-plane and AERA-51, almost all NAVEDA state is a NO-FLY-ZONE

OK, bye bye, you are going to some new low, looks like you missed your buddy that Canadian guy.

 

[niubi]

And you don't know US mindset USAF/USN want more finished and complete projects to enter the production, rather than unfinished and Incomplete products inducted by China

But here you are assuming the US is looking for more finished and complete projects and assuming China's isn't. There's no real good reason to even make those assumptions. For all we know, China's is not only the ones more ahead but also the slow and steady projects that are more finished and complete as you say vs US with much more rushed and poorly handled project.

Who knows. The reverse of what you just said could also be true.

And you kno what is X-plane and AERA-51, almost all NAVEDA state is a NO-FLY-ZONE

Yes we know what x planes and Area 51 is. Those things even with broad assumptions tied to them don't mean US is ahead or will create a superior 6th gen fighter. China does have numerous secret facilities in Lop Nur and surrounding areas that more secretive than Area 51. Russia has Kapustin Yar but doesn't mean their Su-57 is the best 5th gen fighter. Saying but Area 51 as some form of implying US is best is like a Russia fanboy saying but Kapustin Yar therefore Russia's 6th gen fighter will be the best and the first to reach service.

Everyone has their own version of x planes aka demonstrators. China basically rarely reveal them except for old unmanned flying wings that were rejected or lost competition. Everyone has demonstrators and x planes. They are not all called x planes.

What you're insinuating is that US dominance in military aviation design in the later half of the 20th century must mean they are ahead of everyone else in 2025. This may not be the case at all.

We are free to speculate and hold our opinions but they may be wrong. Fact is US is now stating they aim to produce the first F-47 prototype in 2028. This will be the prototype that takes flight for the F-47 line. This is already 4 years behind China's 6th gen maiden flights. The rest of the gaps are filled with personal bias and speculation. Until 2028 we wont know what the F-47 prototype even looks like for sure unless they release prototype photos before maiden flight.

 

[MH.Yang]

almost all your pictures are in development phase with the exception of J-20

China has never used unused equipment to participate in military parades, otherwise you would have seen 6G fighter jets during this parade.

China only uses equipment that has already been in large service for military parades, such as the J-10 which made its maiden flight in 1998 and entered PLAAF service in 2003, but did not participate in military parades for the first time until 2009.

 

[niubi]

China has never used unused equipment to participate in military parades, otherwise you would have seen 6G fighter jets during this parade.

China only uses equipment that has already been in large service for military parades, such as the J-10 which made its maiden flight in 1998 and entered PLAAF service in 2003, but did not participate in military parades for the first time until 2009.

Yes but that only applies to J-20, Type A UADF and Type B UADF.

You also included in your images the J-36 and J-50 prototypes plus GJ-X and WZ-X. The two large unmanned flying wing attack and ISR drones were not in the parade and also could be prototypes only.

 

[MH.Yang]

Yes but that only applies to J-20, Type A UADF and Type B UADF.

You also included in your images the J-36 and J-50 prototypes plus GJ-X and WZ-X. The two large unmanned flying wing attack and ISR drones were not in the parade and also could be prototypes only.

Those who did not participate in the military parade were prototypes or equipment that was not in service or had a small amount of service, such as J-36, J-50, electromagnetic railgun, quantum radar, etc, DF-51，JL-3， Suborbital bombers, and so on. There are also second-line equipment such as J-10C, KJ-2000, PCL-181, PLZ-05B, and so on.

The quota for participating in the military parade is limited by the length of the song, and not all active frontline equipment can participate in the parade, let alone those prototype machines that have not yet entered service.

 

[niubi]

Those who did not participate in the military parade were prototypes or equipment that was not in service or had a small amount of service, such as J-36, J-50, electromagnetic railgun, quantum radar, etc, DF-51，JL-3， Suborbital bombers, and so on. There are also second-line equipment such as J-10C, KJ-2000, PCL-181, PLZ-05B, and so on.

The quota for participating in the military parade is limited by the length of the song, and not all active frontline equipment can participate in the parade, let alone those prototype machines that have not yet entered service.

Yes I'm aware of all that but if you read back to the original post, you included equipment that is in the category of unknown whether in service or not (WZ-X and GJ-X) and included two prototypes.

Please read back to each of the quotes carefully and you will see what I mean. The guy basically called out that not everything in your post shows in service items. This is accurate.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

But here you are assuming the US is looking for more finished and complete projects and assuming China's isn't. There's no real good reason to even make those assumptions. For all we know, China's is not only the ones more ahead but also the slow and steady projects that are more finished and complete as you say vs US with much more rushed and poorly handled project.

Who knows. The reverse of what you just said could also be true.



Yes we know what x planes and Area 51 is. Those things even with broad assumptions tied to them don't mean US is ahead or will create a superior 6th gen fighter. China does have numerous secret facilities in Lop Nur and surrounding areas that more secretive than Area 51. Russia has Kapustin Yar but doesn't mean their Su-57 is the best 5th gen fighter. Saying but Area 51 as some form of implying US is best is like a Russia fanboy saying but Kapustin Yar therefore Russia's 6th gen fighter will be the best and the first to reach service.

Everyone has their own version of x planes aka demonstrators. China basically rarely reveal them except for old unmanned flying wings that were rejected or lost competition. Everyone has demonstrators and x planes. They are not all called x planes.

What you're insinuating is that US dominance in military aviation design in the later half of the 20th century must mean they are ahead of everyone else in 2025. This may not be the case at all.

We are free to speculate and hold our opinions but they may be wrong. Fact is US is now stating they aim to produce the first F-47 prototype in 2028. This will be the prototype that takes flight for the F-47 line. This is already 4 years behind China's 6th gen maiden flights. The rest of the gaps are filled with personal bias and speculation. Until 2028 we wont know what the F-47 prototype even looks like for sure unless they release prototype photos before maiden flight.

You have personal bias and speculation why you guys don't want admit that prototypes of 6th gen jets were flying since 2019 said by USAF don't ask me for images there's history of USAF testing jets in AERA 51 that they were revealed long after they were operational prime example was SR-71, USAF/CIA revealed it after 10 years of service and remember dude during ATF competition YF-22 flies 3-4 years in rather RAW forms (Similar to X-plane) after the selection by USAF in 1991 USAF further modified YF-22 for more than decade and inducted as F-22 in 2005

And in your upcoming 6th gen jets missing integral part where is your adaptive cycle engine aka variable cycle engine? Similar to J20 engine where in development and in early production J20 uses AL-31FN/WS-10 stop-gap engine and recently J20 gets its intended WS-15 engine (since 2023)

 

[niubi]

You have personal bias and speculation why you guys don't want admit that prototypes of 6th gen jets were flying since 2019 said by USAF don't ask me for images there's history of USAF testing jets in AERA 51 that they were revealed long after they were operational prime example was SR-71, USAF/CIA revealed it after 10 years of service and remember dude during ATF competition YF-22 flies 3-4 years in rather RAW forms (Similar to X-plane) after the selection by USAF in 1991 USAF further modified YF-22 for more than decade and inducted as F-22 in 2005

And in your upcoming 6th gen jets missing integral part where is your adaptive cycle engine aka variable cycle engine? Similar to J20 engine where in development and in early production J20 uses AL-31FN/WS-10 stop-gap engine and recently J20 gets its intended WS-15 engine (since 2023)

USAF and US government has not used the word prototype. They have used the words demonstrator and x-plane to describe what they have been test flying in 2019.

Similarly then one can say that China was flying its 6th gen demonstrators in 2017. I'm not sure if you know this but Chinese sources have mentioned that the x-planes for J-36 and J-50 flew when J-20 began entering service.

As for engines. I don't think J-36 and J-50 will enter service with variable cycle engines which while their programs have been around for about a decade now in China, they are probably not as ready as the fighter programs. This isn't unusual though or surprising as China's engines side progresses slower than the aircraft side of things.

To be fair, F-14 entered service without its intended engines, F-15 and F-16 entered service with the F100 instead of the eventual F110. J-20's WS-15 was ready a few years ago but they can't manufacture WS-15 at the required rate and still iterating with it. We can call WS-15 as initial low rate serial production. Mass production probably hasn't been reached.

All the engine talk is sort of not relevant to the US 6th gen program aiming to produce a prototype for flight by 2028. You will see this will be proven correct.

It is kind of pointless and silly to discuss how great the F-47 will be when it hasn't even got a prototype yet. If one chooses to believe the prototype flew in 2019-2020, well sure then 2028 will be F-47 entering service. We'll see what it ends up being.

 

[BonPlan]

F-47 will be more advanced than anything China puts in the air.

When you see the latest chinese jets and bombers we may have a doubt.

Time is over when China was only able to copy & paste. I'm afraid they are more advanced than USA in 6th gen.

They are only late on engines, and maybe on radars.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

USAF and US government has not used the word prototype. They have used the words demonstrator and x-plane to describe what they have been test flying in 2019.

Similarly then one can say that China was flying its 6th gen demonstrators in 2017. I'm not sure if you know this but Chinese sources have mentioned that the x-planes for J-36 and J-50 flew when J-20 began entering service.

As for engines. I don't think J-36 and J-50 will enter service with variable cycle engines which while their programs have been around for about a decade now in China, they are probably not as ready as the fighter programs. This isn't unusual though or surprising as China's engines side progresses slower than the aircraft side of things.

To be fair, F-14 entered service without its intended engines, F-15 and F-16 entered service with the F100 instead of the eventual F110. J-20's WS-15 was ready a few years ago but they can't manufacture WS-15 at the required rate and still iterating with it. We can call WS-15 as initial low rate serial production. Mass production probably hasn't been reached.

All the engine talk is sort of not relevant to the US 6th gen program aiming to produce a prototype for flight by 2028. You will see this will be proven correct.

It is kind of pointless and silly to discuss how great the F-47 will be when it hasn't even got a prototype yet. If one chooses to believe the prototype flew in 2019-2020, well sure then 2028 will be F-47 entering service. We'll see what it ends up being.

So same goes to China as per you in 2017 you were flying technology demonstrators of j36 and j50 and in 2024 you started flying PROTOTYPES of j36 and j50 when WS-15 become available

And as for engines you miss the party of the engines intended for 6th gen jets without variable cycle engine Chinese 6th gen jets will be weaker than US 6th gen jets in terms of range/fuel consumption/thrust to weight ratio/top speed etc etc

Variable cycle engine is 25% better than current engines like F-119 on F-22 in overall performance

Current engines like F-119 works best at certain conditions like specific altitude/certain weather conditions like specific humidity/specific wind conditions and pressure conditions but variable cycle engine can configured itself for best performance in different weather conditions

 

[SolarWarden]

When you see the latest chinese jets and bombers we may have a doubt.

Time is over when China was only able to copy & paste. I'm afraid they are more advanced than USA in 6th gen.

They are only late on engines, and maybe on radars.

china hasn't still figured out how to make a fighter without a HUD.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

This news is that the F-47 is expected to make its maiden flight in 2028, rather than starting mass production in 2028. Do not intentionally confuse concepts. It is a naive fantasy to believe that the United States will enter service with 6G fighter jets in 2028.

The B-21 is not a 6G fighter jet either. The standards for 6G fighter jets include:

1. Variable cycle engines and hypersonic cruising (reaching speeds of up to 5 Mach). The B-21 uses F-135 engines and is only subsonic.

2. Using AI as the core of avionics, it can make autonomous decisions for combat and control swarm drones, making it a node in the air combat network. B-21 does not possess these capabilities.

3. 6G fighter jets need to achieve omnidirectional wideband stealth, while B-21 can only achieve omnidirectional stealth.

btw: The omnidirectional wideband stealth technology used in 6G fighter jets refers to achieving stealth in multiple directions, including front, rear, left, right, up, and down, within multiple radar frequency bands such as very high frequency, ultra-high frequency, L, S, C, X, and Ku. The B-21 and 5G fighter jets can only be stealth in the L, S, C, and X bands, and cannot evade the capture of anti stealth radar.

4. 6G fighter jets have a disruptive aerodynamic layout and are equipped with directional energy weapons such as lasers. The B-21 adopts the flying wing layout that emerged during World War II and does not have any new directed energy weapons.




btw: Of course, some PDF members can claim that China's development of 6G fighter standards is not the standard for US 6G fighter jets. But you need to also acknowledge that the US 6G fighter standard is much lower than China's standard, and even about equal to the 5G fighter standard. Oh, I was wrong. The B-21 can't even meet one of the 5G fighter jet standards, supersonic cruising.

wow

that means only 5 to 8, 6 Gen jets required to collapse strongest AD network!

for warships, presence near 6 Gen jet would be suicidal