Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Shafagh]

Araghchi is a reformist, isn't he?

Pezeshkian is a reformist, isn't he?

Rouhani and Zarif are reformists, aren't they?

These are crystal clear facts and leaves no room for discussion

It is conservatives fault they came to power.

Raesi himself said the biggest threat to Iran is not military attack, it is internal unrest. He said this at the backdrop of the Mahsa Amini violence.

These is why Conservatives are always scoffed upon by younger people. All they ever talk about is resistance economy, and sacrifice. How much more sacrifices must the people make?

Do you think ordinary Iranian young people care about nuclear enrichment? Of course not.

Corruption, theft, economic mismanagement, environmental degradation, and on top of all this, the government felt it was ok to smack people around for bad hijab or having pet dogs. I have a friend in Karaj. They killed her dog.

Then when you talk to these people, they say modern Iranian youth who disagree are whores and traitors. Really? These people have such low feelings of the country's women?

So of course they were angry and turned to reformists as an escape from this bs.

Forget hijab, let women go to football matches, stop these archaic social restrictions. But no, conservatives had to mess with the young people, piss them off, kill them, and then blame western intelligence agencies and call sedition.

All you guys had to do was stfu and leave people alone, give them some purpose, praise them, let them live a little.

Those retard boozineh created more social unrest than Israel and America could ever dream of.

Now you want to blame reformists because you lost elections. Conservatives don't have the luxury to sit back and point fingers. Not after causing this damage; killing the air force, electing people because of religiosity rather than competence, economic mismanagement, and then illusions of grandeur that left us complacent and vulnerable to attack and infiltration by mossad.

There is an expression here, we say the chickens are coming home to roost.

 

[kastor ville]

Araghchi is a reformist, isn't he?

Pezeshkian is a reformist, isn't he?

Rouhani and Zarif are reformists, aren't they?

These are crystal clear facts and leaves no room for discussion

Man, I'm so tired of you guys talking this nonsense. You don't want to take any responsibility for the last 40, some odd years. It's all the reformist fault. This is called denial. You're all living in denial. I'm afraid no amount of proof or talking or banter can fix you guys. Your lot is a lost cause. I hope we can rescue our country before you people destroy it.

 

[kastor ville]

It is conservatives fault they came to power.

Raesi himself said the biggest threat to Iran is not military attack, it is internal unrest. He said this at the backdrop of the Mahsa Amini violence.

These is why Conservatives are always scoffed upon by younger people. All they ever talk about is resistance economy, and sacrifice. How much more sacrifices must the people make?

Do you think ordinary Iranian young people care about nuclear enrichment? Of course not.

Corruption, theft, economic mismanagement, environmental degradation, and on top of all this, the government felt it was ok to smack people around for bad hijab or having pet dogs. I have a friend in Karaj. They fucking killed her dog.

Then when you talk to these people, they say modern Iranian youth who disagree are whores and traitors. Really? These people have such low feelings of the country's women?

So of course they were angry and turned to reformists as an escape from this bullshit.

Forget hijab, let women go to football matches, stop these archaic social restrictions. But no, conservatives had to **** with the young people, piss them off, kill them, and then blame western intelligence agencies and call sedition.

All you guys had to do was stfu and leave people alone, give them some purpose, praise them, let them live a little.

Those retard boozineh shitheads created more social unrest than Israel and America could ever dream of.

Now you want to blame reformists because you lost elections. Conservatives don't have the luxury to sit back and point fingers. Not after causing this damage; killing the air force, electing people because of religiosity rather than competence, economic mismanagement, and then illusions of grandeur that left us complacent and vulnerable to attack and infiltration by mossad.

There is an expression here, we say the chickens are coming home to roost.

I couldn't have said it better myself......Bingo!
Retards with 4th grade education want to run a country of 80 mill, a country that's on a path of destruction from mismanagement and bad policies, from day one.........from day one!

 

[Kyussis]

Once again anytime anyone points to reformists selling Iran down river, in comes the "enlightened" crowd to put all blame on The principalist/conservative's shoulders!
For ****'s sake!!!

 

[Shafagh]

Once again anytime anyone points to reformists selling Iran down river, in comes the "enlightened" crowd to put all blame on The principalist/conservative's shoulders!
For ****'s sake!!!

Not true. I blame them both.
You guys had a chance with Saeed Mohammad and stupid system disqualified him. They would prefer a mullah who spent his life in a seminary in Qom; a yes man, or some golabi yes man from reformist camp full of superficial promises and naive policies to appease the west.

 

[Kyussis]

Not true. I blame them both.
You guys had a chance with Saeed Mohammad and stupid system disqualified him. They would prefer a mullah who spent his life in a seminary in Qom; a yes man, or some golabi yes man from reformist camp full of superficial promises and naive policies to appease the west.

There you go again, blaming the system for how stupid people vote! Pezeshkian is an educated Heart Surgeon, not a "Mullah" or a "hezbollahi" or anything like that. He said he had no plans with his own mouth but yet people who voted decided, hey lets vote for this guy with no plan! Even if Saeed Mohammad was allowed to run ( i agree, he should have been qualified to run, Khamenei himself had said that the people should vote for someone "Young") the masses would never vote for him because he is a Sepahi!!!

 

[Shafagh]

There you go again, blaming the system for how stupid people vote! Pezeshkian is an educated Heart Surgeon, not a "Mullah" or a "hezbollahi" or anything like that. He said he had no plans with his own mouth but yet people who voted decided, hey lets vote for this guy with no plan!

You are lucky they even participated in elections rather than burn the country down because of "conservatives" fuckery pissing people off. Read the social scene.

People voted for him because of this garbage, and because of a chance of maybe some economic recovery. The conservatives certainly havent offered any benefits that have helped them. Instead, they got battons to the head.

I.R. is very very lucky they havent burned the country down by now.

 

[Shafagh]

bunch of khaki wearing dorks to harass young people

Sorry, I take this back. No hate for khakis. I wear them too.

No hate for Basijis either. I befriended one.

 

[Shafagh]

There you go again, blaming the system for how stupid people vote!

No that is not what I said

I did not blame the system for how people vote. I blamed the system for disqualifying a capable and competent candidate, and instead approved a bunch of corrupt gangsters and mullahs.

Looks at Ghalibaf and his crew. Just look at him! He is a mafioso.

 

[Kyussis]

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[baqai]

It is conservatives fault they came to power.

Raesi himself said the biggest threat to Iran is not military attack, it is internal unrest. He said this at the backdrop of the Mahsa Amini violence.

These is why Conservatives are always scoffed upon by younger people. All they ever talk about is resistance economy, and sacrifice. How much more sacrifices must the people make?

Do you think ordinary Iranian young people care about nuclear enrichment? Of course not.

Corruption, theft, economic mismanagement, environmental degradation, and on top of all this, the government felt it was ok to smack people around for bad hijab or having pet dogs. I have a friend in Karaj. They killed her dog.

Then when you talk to these people, they say modern Iranian youth who disagree are whores and traitors. Really? These people have such low feelings of the country's women?

So of course they were angry and turned to reformists as an escape from this bs.

Forget hijab, let women go to football matches, stop these archaic social restrictions. But no, conservatives had to mess with the young people, piss them off, kill them, and then blame western intelligence agencies and call sedition.

All you guys had to do was stfu and leave people alone, give them some purpose, praise them, let them live a little.

Those retard boozineh created more social unrest than Israel and America could ever dream of.

Now you want to blame reformists because you lost elections. Conservatives don't have the luxury to sit back and point fingers. Not after causing this damage; killing the air force, electing people because of religiosity rather than competence, economic mismanagement, and then illusions of grandeur that left us complacent and vulnerable to attack and infiltration by mossad.

There is an expression here, we say the chickens are coming home to roost.

easy on the profanity, had to edit quiet a lot of your heated expressions

 

[muhammed45]

Then some people here claim the problem is Pezeshkian and not Khamenei himself.

In case of nuclear weapons, you have to evaluate costs to benefits. Its not a matter of survival at all. If you want to make Iran the nuclear umbrella of Mecca, Medina and other holy sites, i would suggest Pakistan is there already. The only threat to holy sites is Israel and Pakistan's nuclear pact with KSA ensures safety of Islamic holy lands. In that case we don't need Iran to take the lead.

If you want to ensure survival of Iran against Israel's nuclear threat, then keep the country a nuclear threshold state despite all the odds and all the threats from west. Something that was halted thanks to those who dealt with Obama. But its not out of reach and it can be restored easily.

Too much insisting on nuclear weapons will destroy the remnants of our economic infrastructures that has already heavily suffered from western sanctions which itself was a result of deep connection with western hemisphere in the field of economy.

We cannot make Iran a pariah state like Israel through insisting on an anti-humanity asset. Something that can be held as an accessible option against Israel by making the country a threshold state.

The economy should not suffer to the point of complete destruction. Every option has a cost and a benefit. Consequences of nuclear madness was witnessed with NK. Human dignity shall not be ignored which was ignored by NK's leadership.

Is that really hard to accept?

 

[ShapurII]

In case of nuclear weapons, you have to evaluate costs to benefits. Its not a matter of survival at all. If you want to make Iran the nuclear umbrella of Mecca, Medina and other holy sites, i would suggest Pakistan is there already. The only threat to holy sites is Israel and Pakistan's nuclear pact with KSA ensures safety of Islamic holy lands. In that case we don't need Iran to take the lead.

This is satire, right? Why would I give a f*ck about Mecca, Medina or "holy sites"? lol
Thanks for the good laugh though. I really needed it to start my day.

If you want to ensure survival of Iran against Israel's nuclear threat, then keep the country a nuclear threshold state despite all the odds and all the threats from west. Something that was halted thanks to those who dealt with Obama. But its not out of reach and it can be restored easily.

There is no such thing as "nuclear threshold" during war. This is some stupid concept that Basijis and Ayatollahs came up with and it completely goes against all accepted theories since the Cold War and game theory. They beat the shit out of you, killed 100 Iranians on average per day (more than Gaza), cost Iran tens of billions dollars if not hundreds, and you couldn't do jack shit and had to beg for negotiations.
You are either a nuclear state or not. There is no such thing as a "threshold" state in professional literature. Even when you become a nuclear state, it takes decades to reach a point where you can finally be taken seriously as a nuclear state.

Too much insisting on nuclear weapons will destroy the remnants of our economic infrastructures that has already heavily suffered from western sanctions which itself was a result of deep connection with western hemisphere in the field of economy.

Western sanctions have been imposed on Iran because the Ayatollahs are idiots, or installed by foreign powers to destroy Iran. If you do not want to build nuclear weapons, there is zero reasons for having uranium enrichment. Iran does not have the capacity to run uranium enrichment for civilian purposes. At the peak of our enrichment, which was destroyed by Trump and we should thank him for that, our uranium enrichment was not enough to produce one year worth of our needs in 10 years!
So, either completely give up on uranium enrichment or build the bomb. What has cost Iran over a trillion dollars of economic damage through sanctions and war is uranium enrichment.

We cannot make Iran a pariah state like Israel through insisting on an anti-humanity asset. Something that can be held as an accessible option against Israel by making the country a threshold state.

Dude, do I have a news for you! You're already a pariah state. So, cut the nonsense with this pariah thing. Take your passport and travel abroad. See how well your passport is received and what people think of your country, including in countries where you claim to have good relations with them like Russia and China. And in fact, the real reason behind the poor image of Iran is violations of human rights and women's rights, not development of a nuclear program.

The economy should not suffer to the point of complete destruction. Every option has a cost and a benefit. Consequences of nuclear madness was witnessed with NK. Human dignity shall not be ignored which was ignored by NK's leadership.

You already have destroyed Iranian economy. Don't use economy as an excuse for your incompetence and meekness in international politics.
Just in the last 10 years, inflation has been over 40% on average, while wages have been increased by 20%-25% in most years. That means your average Iranian has become almost 65% poorer compared to 10 years ago.

Your banking system is one of the most corrupt and weirdest systems in the world. It defies all theories of economics like your stupid nuclear policy. It serves the country in no way but to increase liquidity every month to fill the pockets of the leeches and Aghazadeh sons of bitches. Please do not even talk about economy. Even the Taliban have done better in this regard.

Is that really hard to accept?

What's hard to accept? Your entire post started with a joke about the protection of holly sites and the rest of it has already been disproven in action just about 3 months ago.

 

[ShapurII]

Once again anytime anyone points to reformists selling Iran down river, in comes the "enlightened" crowd to put all blame on The principalist/conservative's shoulders!
For ****'s sake!!!

You have the legal right and power to stop the reformists with a stroke of pen, and you even did sideline the reformists after the Green Movement. Who brought them back to power? You. Why? Because you wanted to use them for negotiations with the West and surrender while saving your ego.

 

[Sarhang]

You have the legal right and power to stop the reformists with a stroke of pen, and you even did sideline the reformists after the Green Movement. Who brought them back to power? You. Why? Because you wanted to use them for negotiations with the West and surrender while saving your ego.

Agha needs narmesh ghahremanane just to cling to power