Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

Well said, but somehow such an infrastructure must be developed and it can either happen independently in each select Muslim nation of importance or collectively. You have to start somewhere and despite the many disagreements collectively in regards to Muslim nations/leaderships, there are also elements/topics where a united position could be reached fairly recently or worked towards at least.
Yes, but an alliance for the sake of alliance will remain on paper. GCC is an example. It too has a collective defense clause but it only results in condemnations because of too many cooks in the kitchen.

Ideally I would like Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Iran, Egypt to sit on a table, forget the rest. Decide the foundational principles of the alliance and foreign policy goals in Middle east, North Africa and South Asia. Goals that are acceptable to all of these members. This will be the greatest obstacle. If that can be reached, the rest (military wise) will eventually fall into place in 10-15 years of continuous work. A single point agenda (Palestine) will NOT work. Policy regarding Yemen, Syria, Kashmir, Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan somalia, Libya have to be agreed on too. Because some of these issue tend to cause some member to fight other in proxy wars.
 
I don't think I'm exaggerating by saying that this truly is the US's Suez moment: Saudi Arabia just entered into a NATO-like alliance with Pakistan whereby "any attack on either country is an attack on both.

"The symbolic is extraordinary: Saudi Arabia was in many ways THE poster child of US client states. If they no longer trusts American security guarantees, why should anyone else?

And of course the fact this actually happened and wasn't prevented by the U.S. is immensely telling in and of itself.

This has so many other consequences that it's almost too much to fathom:

- First of all, it means that Saudi Arabia now benefits from Pakistan's nuclear deterrence (and the deal does include nuclear: a senior Saudi Official told Al Jazeera that “this is a comprehensive defensive agreement that encompasses all military means”, https://aljazeera.com/news/2025/9/17/saudi-arabia-signs-mutual-defence-pact-with-nuclear-armed-pakistan). Which means we now officially have two nuclear-backed blocs in the Middle East: US-Israel vs Pakistan-Saudi. Additionally, Pakistan explicitly rejects a "no first use" doctrine - meaning Saudi Arabia now has a protector willing to use nuclear weapons preemptively.

- Given that 81% of Pakistan's weapon imports come from China (https://scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3302515/china-supplied-81-pakistans-arms-imports-past-5-years-sipri-says), it also means that Saudi Arabia just indirectly aligned itself with the Chinese military-industrial complex.

- This effectively extends the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) to the Persian Gulf, protected by Pakistani nuclear weapons and Chinese military technology - creating a secure energy corridor from the Middle East to China that completely bypasses the Strait of Malacca

- The timing is probably no coincidence, just days after Israel's strike on Qatar, the ultimate proof of the worthlessness of US protection.

- Other Gulf states, and probably in due times other countries "protected" by the U.S., are likely to explore comparable models in the next few months. In fact this might lead to a cascading collapse of the U.S. global alliance system, leading to an entirely new international system where regional nuclear powers become security providers.

- Hard to see how that doesn't permanently kill any chance of Israel-Saudi normalization: Pakistan does not recognize Israel either and with this alliance the Saudis now can resist US pressure as they don't solely depend on them for their defense- It puts India in an extremely tough spot: its archenemy just became the security guarantor for one its primary energy suppliers

- This undoubtedly kills IMEC (India-Middle East-Europe Economic Corridor), the Biden administration's flagship grand strategy to counter China's Belt and Road that was supposed to connect India to Europe via Saudi Arabia

- There is a monetary aspect too: this is another nail in the coffin of the petrodollar system (an agreement to price oil exclusively in USD in exchange for US protection). Saudi Arabia is now much more flexible to price oil in whatever currency it wishesAnd this is just what's immediately visible. As a final word: if anyone had any remaining doubt that we were now in a multipolar world, that debate is now settled permanently. American global dominance is no more.

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This might be the time for Saudi Arabia to join CPEC (with extension into Central Asia via Afghanistan) with the GCC railway (via an Oman-Gwadar freight sealink), and Iraq-Syria-Turkey Railway. A secure non-Red Sea route for trade could help put Saudi in the middle of a lot of trade, especially around future tech.
 
Orange clown was visibly trolling the UN... for him and his support base UN is a hindrance... an obstacle in achieving goals that are not illegal and unlawful. The course for the creation of UN has come full circle and as he further de funds a defunct UN it becomes meaningless. He will create further obstructions on travel to the US for states and countries as he pleases to further undermine it.
Whiles Chinese have started pitching in more they may not do it for long as the organization stops serving any of their priorities as well.
Which is where regional parts and defunct organizations must find their feet and become an alternative to a falling order. I do not think that by the end his term there will be many attendees either returning for an encore and some even denied.
 
This might be the time for Saudi Arabia to join CPEC (with extension into Central Asia via Afghanistan) with the GCC railway (via an Oman-Gwadar freight sealink), and Iraq-Syria-Turkey Railway. A secure non-Red Sea route for trade could help put Saudi in the middle of a lot of trade, especially around future tech.
KSA is already the by far largest economic partner of China in the Muslim world and part and parcel of all trade links with China.

China is a key strategic partner and ally of KSA and vice versa. This is not a new development either but this relationship has been overshadowed by the US military ties.

MbS is positioning KSA as a vital trade link between Europe, Asia and Africa.

Already over 600 international firms have established their regional headquarters in KSA in recent years.


Relations with Russia have not been that cordial either since 1938 in the past 10 years.


CPEC, BRICS, this agreement and all agreements are just that, agreements on a piece of paper, what I am interested in are actual facts on the ground/data and in regards to KSA-China relations, KSA nor China for that matter, are in need of signing any formal deals/agreements/pacts to showcase their strategic ties, the ground realities are doing the talking by themselves already.
 
India now looking very very lonely.....

Yes, but an alliance for the sake of alliance will remain on paper. GCC is an example. It too has a collective defense clause but it only results in condemnations because of too many cooks in the kitchen.

Ideally I would like Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Iran, Egypt to sit on a table, forget the rest. Decide the foundational principles of the alliance and foreign policy goals in Middle east, North Africa and South Asia. Goals that are acceptable to all of these members. This will be the greatest obstacle. If that can be reached, the rest (military wise) will eventually fall into place in 10-15 years of continuous work. A single point agenda (Palestine) will NOT work. Policy regarding Yemen, Syria, Kashmir, Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan somalia, Libya have to be agreed on too. Because some of these issue tend to cause some member to fight other in proxy wars.
This is a syncretic process that requires good faith discussion and negotiation and understanding for a long time


The only parallel I can draw you to is China and Russia, forget the form of their alliance, it need not be on paper, but it seems to be extremely robust and tested under stress.


Being realistic but also honest on the best form of rigid cooperation
 
Hopefully, the realization that sectarian and ‘regional leadership’ squabbles are trivial compared to the threats that have taken center stage recently.
Not even that, The May war showed just how compromised the Iranian state itself is. I think now we will see a more internally focused Iran instead of the regional power cosplaying Iran.
 
In recent times analysts around the world have been talking about existing and future superpowers. They name the US, EU, China, Russia, India as the great powers. Two billion Muslims figure nowhere in their calculations, since everyone sees Muslims as a bunch of squabbling chickens who collectively can’t even fight a midget like Israel with 7.2 million Jews.

To put the Islamic world in perspective, it consists of 2 billion people, 25% of the world’s population. The combined territory of Muslim countries is 32 million sq. km., 21% of the earth’s surface. Their combined GDP is $9 trillion nominal and $28 trillion PPP.

The Islamic world would be one of the biggest superpowers if they were united like the EU. If they made an effort to further education and become scientifically and technologically advanced they can achieve great success.

That should be the aim.
 
Err…. which one of those had 200+ nuclear warheads with viable delivery systems. US coming in to denuclearise Pakistan is Hindu wet dream is all.

I think he thought this was a documentary

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America removed pakistans nukes within 3 minutes. You can see how easy it was.....all they needed was around 12 soldiers half of them women.
 
The bigger the pact, the useless it is. Most "Islamic" countries are liabilities as treaty bound allies. Zero capabilities to offer to collective defense but a lot of baggage.

If someone wants a Muslim NATO, they must also follow NATO's footsteps. NATO's membership isn't automatic. New members have to be compatible with NATO. It's economy. It's political goals. It's foreign policy goals. It's political systems. And so on.

Without submitting to the basic principles of the alliance, NATO doesn't allow anybody in.

Fully agreed. This is the way forward.
 
This might be the time for Saudi Arabia to join CPEC (with extension into Central Asia via Afghanistan) with the GCC railway (via an Oman-Gwadar freight sealink), and Iraq-Syria-Turkey Railway. A secure non-Red Sea route for trade could help put Saudi in the middle of a lot of trade, especially around future tech.

I couldn't agree more with this idea.
 

Signaling matters. I think at the end of the day each is looking for their own ultimate benefit. Even a broken and bankrupt people will fight for their freedom and patch of dirt should they feel threatened. Our problem is playing in the hands of hostile powers, allow them to be an arbiter in bilateral affairs. Swayed by their sweet talk and intimidated by their power.
The balance is self rule... under umbrella with check and balances. Have a common cause instead of projecting power... share power. West has already atomized their masses and they have no honest arbiter among them except an overarching state, socially engineering them, manufacturing consent and feeding the bounty of their labor to their ultra rich.
 
India to ditch Israel - surprised no one

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I said a few days back when this deal was announced, a lot would depend if we took Iran into confidence. I think we may well of done. This is another diplomatic victory for Pakistan and Saudi.. If Iran is saying they welcome this deal, it is basically saying Saudi/Pak have nothing to worry about. Many so called "analysts" in the West and India were predicting a harsh Iranian reaction (or wishing for one). Now basically it is obvious, it is only Israel and India that need worry....

Iran welcomes Pak-Saudi defence deal as start of ‘comprehensive regional security system’

Dawn.com | Reuters Published September 25, 2025 Updated 18 minutes ago

Iran’s President Masoud Pezeshkian addresses the 80th United Nations General Assembly at the UN headquarters in New York, US, Sept 24. — Reuters
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Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian on Wednesday welcomed the landmark mutual defence deal struck between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia as the beginning of a “comprehensive regional security system”.

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Pakistan and Saudi Arabia entered into a landmark mutual defence agreement, under which any aggression against one state will be considered an attack on both. The pact was signed by Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad Bin Salman at the Al-Yamamah Palace in Riyadh last week.

The agreement came amid diplomatic upheaval in the Middle East and just months after a deadly India-Pakistan conflict in May, as well as the 12-day war between Iran and Israel in June.

The Iranian president praised the defence deal while addressing the General Debate of the 80th Session of the United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) today.


“Iran welcomes the defensive pact between the two brotherly Muslim countries, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, as a beginning for a comprehensive regional security system with the cooperation of the Muslim states of West Asia in the political security and defence domains,” he said.





Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Ishaq Dar had hinted on Friday that some countries were showing interest in building strategic defence agreements with Pakistan following the deal.

“It’s premature to say anything, but some other countries want to enter into an agreement of this nature,” FM Dar had told reporters in London, replying to a question about whether other states will join the pact or ink similar deals.

Iran and Saudi Arabia have often been on opposing sides of regional conflicts, including in Syria and Yemen. The two regional heavyweights broke off diplomatic relations in 2016 before re-establishing them in 2023 under a rapprochement deal brokered by China.






The two Muslim countries have since been witnessing warming relations with high-level meetings of their leaders.

Saudi Arabia had condemned the Israeli strikes on Iran in May, calling them “aggressions” and a “clear violation of international laws”. Riyadh had also expressed its “great concern” following the US strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities.

President Pezeshkian also said Iran has no intention to build nuclear weapons, just days before international sanctions could be reimposed on his country over Tehran’s nuclear ambitions.

“I hereby declare once more before this assembly that Iran has never sought and will never seek to build a nuclear bomb. We do not seek nuclear weapons,” Pezeshkian said.

On August 28, Britain, France and Germany launched a 30-day process to reimpose UN sanctions that ends on September 27, accusing Tehran of failing to abide by a 2015 deal with world powers aimed at preventing it from developing a nuclear weapon.

The European powers have offered to delay reinstating sanctions for up to six months to allow space for talks on a long-term deal if Iran restores access for UN nuclear inspectors, addresses concerns about its stock of enriched uranium, and engages in talks with the US

Pezeshkian criticised the move by European powers as “illegal”, saying it was made at “the behest of the United States of America”.

The US, its European allies and Israel accuse Tehran of using its nuclear programme as a veil for efforts to try to develop the capability to produce weapons. Iran says its nuclear programme is for peaceful purposes only.

“In doing so, they (the E3) set aside good faith. They circumvented legal obligations. They sought to portray Iran’s lawful remedial measures … as a gross violation,” Pezeshkian said.

But amid the looming threat of sanctions and last-ditch talks on the sidelines of the UNGA, gaps remain between Tehran and European powers over a deal to avert the snapback of sanctions.

Still, both sides have left the door open to further negotiations. While the E3 says Iran’s clerical rulers have so far failed to meet the conditions it set, Tehran says it will not offer concessions.






Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who has the last say on key state matters such as foreign policy and Iran’s nuclear programme, has ruled out negotiations with the US under threat.

If Tehran and the E3 fail to reach a deal on an extension by the end of September 27, then all UN sanctions will be reimposed on Iran, where the economy already struggles with crippling sanctions reimposed since 2018 after President Donald Trump ditched the pact during his first term.

The so-called “snapback” process would reimpose an arms embargo, a ban on uranium enrichment and reprocessing, a ban on activities with ballistic missiles capable of delivering nuclear weapons, a global asset freeze and travel bans on Iranian individuals and entities.

Soon after the US and Israeli attacks on Iranian nuclear sites in June, Iran’s parliament passed a law suspending cooperation with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

However, the IAEA and Tehran reached a deal on September 9 to resume inspections at nuclear sites and UN nuclear watchdog chief Rafael Grossi said on Tuesday a team of inspectors was on its way to Iran should Tehran and the E3 strike a deal this week to avert revival of sanctions.


 
India to ditch Israel - surprised no one

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