Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ToddE]

I strongly believe that the era of the right-wing Israeli politics and the Likud Party will come to an end.
Not that Israel will change its nature, but I believe moderate Israeli politicians will replace Bibi in the next 5 years.
The collective West needs some face-saving measures to continue to support their cancerous tumor in the Middle East. That's why they're pushing for this Palestine statehood one by one.
We may see a period of moderate Israeli politics like during Yitzhak Rabin.

Wishful thinking. Zionist level hatred is too deeply embedded in Israeli brain now. You can see even their younger generation laughing on genocide of Palestinians. Israel will stay like this for as long as Old Zionists Billionaires and their Anglo-American pets are alive. These people are getting old now and their younger generations are more liberal than elders who saw WWII misery of Jews. Once the generation changes, the Jew power will go down a bit.

Trump started his MAGA politics on funds of Sheldon Addelson (Zionist Jew Billionaire). He is dead now, his wife Miriam funded Republicans with crazy cash. She is 80 herself. Trump is 80. These people are literally rotting.

 

[ToddE]

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"Everyone" on earth includes Iran.

Deal has been made for sure, Iran will loose its missile ranges.

 

[ShapurII]

Wishful thinking. Zionist level hatred is too deeply embedded in Israeli brain now. You can see even their younger generation laughing on genocide of Palestinians. Israel will stay like this for as long as Old Zionists Billionaires and their Anglo-American pets are alive. These people are getting old now and their younger generations are more liberal than elders who saw WWII misery of Jews. Once the generation changes, the Jew power will go down a bit.

Trump started his MAGA politics on funds of Sheldon Addelson (Zionist Jew Billionaire). He is dead now, his wife Miriam funded Republicans with crazy cash. She is 80 herself. Trump is 80. These people are literally rotting.

I believe our view of Israel in recent years has been largely shaped by Netanyahu and the Likud Party who are pushing for extreme right-wing policies. They have their own opposition in the Israeli society as well. I see Israel as an American/British invention in the Middle East. A safeguard for the Europeans in our region. People always talk about how Netanyahu controls the US presidents, but Israel is literally nothing without the US support. So, Israel eventually has to listen to what the US wants.
Even American Jews will not want to be taken down by international anger and hatred directed at Israel. The situation for Zionism in the US is getting worse by each passing day. Even the conservatives in the US are turning against them. They are not stupid. They see and understand the trend quite well.

If Israel wants to survive, they have to tone it down. I believe this recent move about the statehood of Palestine is exactly in that direction. It's a symbolic move, but it's the West's attempt to reduce public pressure by pretending that they're doing something for their "values".

 

[Watandar]

I strongly believe that the era of the right-wing Israeli politics and the Likud Party will come to an end.
Not that Israel will change its nature, but I believe moderate Israeli politicians will replace Bibi in the next 5 years.
The collective West needs some face-saving measures to continue to support their cancerous tumor in the Middle East. That's why they're pushing for this Palestine statehood one by one.
We may see a period of moderate Israeli politics like during Yitzhak Rabin.

There is no difference between Netanyahu and his ministers and previous Israeli monsters like Ariel Sharon, Menachem Begin , David Ben Gurion and their teams. Even Yitzhak Rabin and Ehud Barak were slightly conciliatory in public but just as hard and vicious behind the scenes.

Even the atrocities Israel has committed in Gaza are nothing new, if you read about their previous conduct in occupied territories or Lebanon 1980s or 1948, 1967, you will see same behavior.

The only difference this time is that Israeli atrocities have been widely broadcast on social media, straight to people's phones. That oversight is the reason you now see a heavy crackdown on social media companies esp the ones outside of Western control like Tiktok. It's why there has been such harsh censoring on social media last two years.

 

[ToddE]

I believe our view of Israel in recent years has been largely shaped by Netanyahu and the Likud Party who are pushing for extreme right-wing policies. They have their own opposition in the Israeli society as well. I see Israel as an American/British invention in the Middle East. A safeguard for the Europeans in our region. People always talk about how Netanyahu controls the US presidents, but Israel is literally nothing without the US support. So, Israel eventually has to listen to what the US wants.
Even American Jews will not want to be taken down by international anger and hatred directed at Israel. The situation for Zionism in the US is getting worse by each passing day. Even the conservatives in the US are turning against them. They are not stupid. They see and understand the trend quite well.

If Israel wants to survive, they have to tone it down. I believe this recent move about the statehood of Palestine is exactly in that direction. It's a symbolic move, but it's the West's attempt to reduce public pressure by pretending that they're doing something for their "values".

What you are saying would have been true if the blunt hatred was limited to politicians but its not. Its deeply embedded in the brain of an average Israeli for generations. Their younger people are openly laughing on their social media over spread out body parts of Palestinian children. This level of savagery comes from indoctrinated mindset over generations, not the work of some politician that came to power much later. I was seeing a video of their retired soldiers who were laughing on shooting unarmed Arabs and raping Arab girls and then murdering them. You wont even talk about an animal like that let alone a human if you are a normal human being. Mind you these oldies were themselves on death beds yet they have no understanding of right or wrong or remorse because they are raised that way where they see others as insects. You can be white, brown, black, muslim, christian, atheist or whatever but to a Jew or Israeli you are an exploitable entity which they need to control so AIPAC is there to ensure fun loving horny and greedy white politicians stay under Jewish thumb in US the super power.

Does it concern us Iranians? no we are far away from this shit show and have no stake in this semite on semite genocide but whats true is true. IRI should have kept Iran away from this but they did not. Israel helped Iran for its own benefit and thats how I see it. There is no other connection. IRI brought Iran on collision course with Zionism all over the globe, its more of our own issue than theirs.

 

[BigMela2onin]

We may see a period of moderate Israeli politics like during Yitzhak Rabin.

Remind me, how did that end again?

 

[ShapurII]

There is no difference between Netanyahu and his ministers and previous Israeli monsters like Ariel Sharon, Menachem Begin , David Ben Gurion and their teams. Even Yitzhak Rabin and Ehud Barak were slightly conciliatory in public but just as hard and vicious behind the scenes.

Even the atrocities Israel has committed in Gaza are nothing new, if you read about their previous conduct in occupied territories or Lebanon 1980s or 1948, 1967, you will see same behavior.

The only difference this time is that Israeli atrocities have been widely broadcast on social media, straight to people's phones. That oversight is the reason you now see a heavy crackdown on social media companies esp the ones outside of Western control like Tiktok. It's why there has been such harsh censoring on social media last two years.

I don't disagree with you overall. Like you, I do believe that Israel is a dangerous state fueled by supremacy ideology and Jewish fanaticism but I do not think that there's no difference between somebody like Yitzhak Rabin and Netanyahu.

I mean let's look at Yitzhak Robin's political career. He didn't start even a single war during his political career as the Head of the IDF, or the Prime Minister of Israel. He tried to sign the Oslo Accords with the Palestinians. He even reached a peace treaty with Jordan if I'm not mistaken. That's very different from somebody like Netanyahu that has attacked 6 countries in the last year alone, right?

Overall, we have two options in dealing with Israel. Either all Muslim states should unite and fight an Armageddon with Israel and the US or we should accept that Israel exists in the region for the time being and deal with it politically. Every state in the region except for Iran has chosen the latter and Iran has failed miserably in finding a military solution to Israel so far, and it has cost our people great misery in the process.

 

[ShapurII]

What you are saying would have been true if the blunt hatred was limited to politicians but its not. Its deeply embedded in the brain of an average Israeli for generations. Their younger people are openly laughing on their social media over spread out body parts of Palestinian children. This level of savagery comes from indoctrinated mindset over generations, not the work of some politician that came to power much later. I was seeing a video of their retired soldiers who were laughing on shooting unarmed Arabs and raping Arab girls and then murdering them. You wont even talk about an animal like that let alone a human if you are a normal human being. Mind you these oldies were themselves on death beds yet they have no understanding of right or wrong or remorse because they are raised that way where they see others as insects. You can be white, brown, black, muslim, christian, atheist or whatever but to a Jew or Israeli you are an exploitable entity which they need to control so AIPAC is there to ensure fun loving horny and greedy white politicians stay under Jewish thumb in US the super power.

Does it concern us Iranians? no we are far away from this shit show and have no stake in this semite on semite genocide but whats true is true. IRI should have kept Iran away from this but they did not. Israel helped Iran for its own benefit and thats how I see it. There is no other connection. IRI brought Iran on collision course with Zionism all over the globe, its more of our own issue than theirs.

Who cares? You deal with states, not the people. You know quite well that Iran's foreign policies in no way reflect the opinions of Iranians. Do you think the US foreign policies are an honest reflection of what the American public wants?

I'm one of those guys that believe if powerful countries and the elite want the policies of a country to be changed, what people think are the least important concern. Israeli people might be monsters for all I know, but if the elite and the Western leaders really decide to change Israel, they can and they will.

Remind me, how did that end again?

He was assassinated by Yigal Amir, but I believe the situation is different now. 30 years ago, the West had not lost the public opinion about Israel. It's totally different now. It doesn't matter where you go in Europe or the US these days, if you are not talking to an Islamophobe, they dislike Israel. Their tactic of whitewashing Israel no longer works because of the Likud Party.

 

[ToddE]

Who cares? You deal with states, not the people. You know quite well that Iran's foreign policies in no way reflect the opinions of Iranians. Do you think the US foreign policies are an honest reflection of what the American public wants?

I'm one of those guys that believe if powerful countries and the elite want the policies of a country to be changed, what people think are the least important concern. Israeli people might be monsters for all I know, but if the elite and the Western leaders really decide to change Israel, they can and they will.

You want Israelis to be changed by western leaders like AIPAC controlled American pedophiles in power that are blackmailed by dozens of Epsteins to support Israel in its genocides ? by money and arms both ? As cheesy as it sounds, Jews control US governments democratic or republican because white elites are inherently sexual deviants and greedy to another extent. Easy to manipulate.

Israeli people did not become monsters by themselves. They are generationally indoctrinated to be like this by a system. Politicians themselves are part of this system, they come out of it themselves and in Israel nobody is changing it because its useful for internal politics and is part of soul of an average Israeli.

Does Israel have a right to exist, Yes. Even a blonde Ashkenazi from Western Europe shows MENA genetic markers, they are middle eastern people, Abrahmic believers. Are they a normal peaceful society ? no ... Mind you Arabs may behave civil for now due to weakness but do not forget what Baathsists did 30 years ago. Thats why Iran has nothing to do with Israel or Arabs in general. We have suffered enough by tangling up in their quarrels.

 

[ShapurII]

You want Israelis to be changed by western leaders like AIPAC controlled American pedophiles in power that are blackmailed by dozens of Epsteins to support Israel in its genocides ? by money and arms both ? As cheesy as it sounds, Jews control US governments democratic or republican because white elites are inherently sexual deviants and greedy to another extent. Easy to manipulate.

Israeli people did not become monsters by themselves. They are generationally indoctrinated to be like this by a system. Politicians themselves are part of this system, they come out of it themselves and in Israel nobody is changing it because its useful for internal politics and is part of soul of an average Israeli.

Does Israel have a right to exist, Yes. Even a blonde Ashkenazi from Western Europe shows MENA genetic markers, they are middle eastern people, Abrahmic believers. Are they a normal peaceful society ? no ... Mind you Arabs may behave civil for now due to weakness but do not forget what Baathsists did 30 years ago. Thats why Iran has nothing to do with Israel or Arabs in general. We have suffered enough by tangling up in their quarrels.

Those American pedophiles in power prefer to stay in power rather than to be taken down by a Polish psychopath. Netanyahu is hurting the image of Zionism more than anybody else. Do you think Jewish billionaires in Europe care about the state of Israel more than their own comfort and power? I don't think so.

I understand your point, but people are the least important factor in all of this. If the US and the collective West decide that it's time for Israel to tone it down, the tiny Jewish state with an extremely shallow strategic depth will have no choice but to accept it.

I don't think Israel has a right to exist but it is what it is for now. We only have two options as I said, and our option has failed miserably. The other option is to accept Israel for the time being and look for diplomatic solutions.

 

[ToddE]

Those American pedophiles in power prefer to stay in power rather than to be taken down by a Polish psychopath. Netanyahu is hurting the image of Zionism more than anybody else. Do you think Jewish billionaires in Europe care about the state of Israel more than their own comfort and power? I don't think so.

Public opinion matters none to these Jew lords otherwise they would not be doing a genocide at first place which has resulted into them being hated globally. Their intention is controlling west through donations, debts, sexual blackmail, bribes to stupid white politicians and thats about it. Everyone knows what AIPAC is, who Soros, Addelsons etc are, but has this stopped them from owning the balls of every white politician out there ? no

I understand your point, but people are the least important factor in all of this. If the US and the collective West decide that it's time for Israel to tone it down, the tiny Jewish state with an extremely shallow strategic depth will have no choice but to accept it.

People breed politicians out of the society. No one is parachuted into power. IRI came into being because Iran is a religious tribal society that could not handle Shahi imposed liberalism. Racial supremacy is part of Israeli society, netanyahu did not start it, he himself is a product of it. Likes of him control western politicians who are horny, greedy, sexual deviants because thats what western society breeds out. Its a cycle that will never stop unless Anglo-American Jew Billionaires die of old age and their next generations do not follow the family traditions. Or Israelis themselves fix Israeli mindset which is more likely. It is after all a high IQ group. No white politician can overpower these people, their socio-economic roots in west are too deep.

I don't think Israel has a right to exist but it is what it is for now. We only have two options as I said, and our option has failed miserably. The other option is to accept Israel for the time being and look for diplomatic solutions.

Why should not a middle eastern entity exist in middle east? well I mean it does not even matter what we Iranians think. We are not Levantines. Our genetics, culture, history cuts us from Levant and Peninsula both. We are more of a Western Asian, Central Asian and Eurasian Entity. Iran, Turkey, Azerbaijan have no stake in Levant. Arabs have to rise up and resolve it with Israel, its their problem not ours no matter how much Khamenei reminds us otherwise.

 

[ShapurII]

Public opinion matters none to these Jew lords otherwise they would not be doing a genocide at first place which has resulted into them being hated globally. Their intention is controlling west through donations, debts, sexual blackmail, bribes to stupid white politicians and thats about it. Everyone knows what AIPAC is, who Soros, Addelsons etc are, but has this stopped them from owning the balls of every white politician out there ? no

It sort of does. Boycotts against Israel did impact several global Jewish businesses and it's just the beginning in my opinion. They have lost the narrative finally.
You most likely know that nearly every European country, including Britain, have anti-Semitic white supremacists that would happily jump on the opportunity of uprooting Zionism and even Jews in their country. So far, their control over the media has stopped people from acting against them but the day that they lose their major tool of manipulation and it becomes ineffective, they will be screwed. Zionists in the West do care about the public image of Zionism and the Likud Party is ruining it. I could be wrong, but time will tell. I think we may see a different Israel in 2030-2035. Not entirely different at its core, but different from the radical policies that Netanyahu pursues.

People breed politicians out of the society. No one is parachuted into power. IRI came into being because Iran is a religious tribal society that could not handle Shahi imposed liberalism. Racial supremacy is part of Israeli society, netanyahu did not start it, he himself is a product of it. Likes of him control western politicians who are horny, greedy, sexual deviants because thats what western society breeds out. Its a cycle that will never stop unless Anglo-American Jew Billionaires die of old age and their next generations do not follow the family traditions. Or Israelis themselves fix Israeli mindset which is more likely. It is after all a high IQ group. No white politician can overpower these people, their socio-economic roots in west are too deep.

It takes several generations for new politicians to reach power and change the equilibrium point of the system. We are not talking about 50 years later now. We are talking about 5-10 years from now. Also, who knows how our societies will change with the rise of new technologies in the next decades. I believe AI will eventually increase the societal gap so much that we will be back to old times where we had royalty and commoners.
I don't agree with the idea that the "whites" cannot overcome them. They can and they have in the past. Nazi Germany, for example.

Why should not a middle eastern entity exist in middle east? well I mean it does not even matter what we Iranians think. We are not Levantines. Our genetics, culture, history cuts us from Levant and Peninsula both. We are more of a Western Asian, Central Asian and Eurasian Entity. Iran, Turkey, Azerbaijan have no stake in Levant. Arabs have to rise up and resolve it with Israel, its their problem not ours no matter how much Khamenei reminds us otherwise.

Because it's not a Middle Eastern entity to begin with. I don't consider Eastern European Slavs with blue eyes and blonde hair to be Middle Eastern.

 

[kastor ville]

Considering every corrupt leader within the IRI is now anticipating Khamenei's natural death or ouster from power, it will be interesting to see which camp will Ghalibaf join. He is a smart political conman who knows whats best for him pretty much like those Shahi loyalists who over-night became "Islamic Revolutionaries" when Shah ran from Iran.

That's his whole deal...get close to the real powerbrokers and see if they can throw him a bone.

 

[ToddE]

It sort of does. Boycotts against Israel did impact several global Jewish businesses and it's just the beginning in my opinion. They have lost the narrative finally.
You most likely know that nearly every European country, including Britain, have anti-Semitic white supremacists that would happily jump on the opportunity of uprooting Zionism and even Jews in their country. So far, their control over the media has stopped people from acting against them but the day that they lose their major tool of manipulation and it becomes ineffective, they will be screwed. Zionists in the West do care about the public image of Zionism and the Likud Party is ruining it. I could be wrong, but time will tell. I think we may see a different Israel in 2030-2035. Not entirely different at its core, but different from the radical policies that Netanyahu pursues.

They dont care about narratives otherwise why would they even start a genocide. How many Israeli embassies have been shut, how many countries refused to trade with Israel or kick out their Lobbys sitting in western capitals ? none of that happened !

White supremacists have always been antisemites yet the entire right wing in west is a Jew funded opera. AIPAC runs Republicans, who do you think funded Vox in Spain, AfD in Germany, Meloni in Italy, Le Pen in France? None of them came from the "people", some are themselves having non white partners. They are all Jew funded fake conservatives. Controlling both sides is the biggest tool in strategy. Jews own west through right wing, left wing, banks, debts, corps, blackmails, sexual rings, bribes, family connections, you name the means, they have that. Like I said this will continue until their current generation of billionaires, tycoons die and next one does not carry the family tradition. I am hoping they dont but if they do this cycle will keep on going.

It takes several generations for new politicians to reach power and change the equilibrium point of the system. We are not talking about 50 years later now. We are talking about 5-10 years from now. Also, who knows how our societies will change with the rise of new technologies in the next decades. I believe AI will eventually increase the societal gap so much that we will be back to old times where we had royalty and commoners.
I don't agree with the idea that the "whites" cannot overcome them. They can and they have in the past. Nazi Germany, for example.

Nazis overcame a minority in their own land or in periphery. Establishment of Israel allowed this group to re-organize at global level which they never were before at this scale. That holocaust seeing generation had zeal in them which they transfered in generations to come hence came the internalised supremacy from a place of insecurity. All depends upon how their next generation sees themselves. Like I said, Israel can fix Israeli mindset and they have the IQ to do so, they in their current form cant be overpowered by a foreign entity.

Because it's not a Middle Eastern entity to begin with. I don't consider Eastern European Slavs with blue eyes and blonde hair to be Middle Eastern.

Genetics matter otherwise we should kick blonde Iranians out of Iran calling them foriegners.

 

[ToddE]

That's his whole deal...get close to the real powerbrokers and see if they can throw him a bone.

People from poor isolated backgrounds are always like this. He had no clerical family name or connection like Larijanis. Corrupt conman with no political ideology of his own yet managed to always stay in power by massaging the right pairs of Mullah Ballz. He will do same with next SL of Iran.