Opinion: India Pakistan near conflict - Escalation management non-existent

[RajaBaja]

When a nation's retired GENERALS are too stupid to openly call for nuclear attacks on Pakistan, how do you expect it's population to ask for peace? Because the Godi Media is tasked to create serious hate for Pakistan. Watch the review these guys are giving on Kay Rated video and hear what Indian retired generals bark about Pakistan.

A nation built on Muslim and American money acts like a paper tiger with 400 million people living below poverty line. So shameful. No wonder the entire world has started to dislike them due to exactly these manic problems. Mania to show India what it is not and the world sees it.

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[r3alist]

Oh you seriously think people hate your guts because the media is telling them to? What is this the 90's?
People hate you because of the terrorism emanating from your country. What did you think people are going to think about you after doing Mumbai. They don't need the media telling them to hate you.

What do you want Indian media to portray you as a great peaceful country everyone aspire to be next to Japan, or Norway?

I mean the persistence and invocation of Pakistan, just randomly and persistently

It's the inability to truly dehyphenate psychologically and emotionally

Your entire national narrative now is around Pakistan when really it's the West who has determined it to a big part.

I personally I'm shocked at how much national effort and energy is still directed towards Pakistan when now it's the golden chance to be crafting a different destiny which is commensurate to your expectations of a civilizational state, what do you need Pakistan for? It seems like such a waste of effort

You keep associating with Pakistan which makes me think you're not serious about your aspirations

 

[RajaBaja]

What do you want Indian media to portray you as a great peaceful country everyone aspire to be next to Japan, or Norway? Hell no.

As for 'people who don't know about Pakistan', trust me nobody gets butterflies in their tummy hearing the name Pakistan. It brings a negative perception that's entirely your own making. I don't think anyone watches Indian media outside Indians and by the looks of it, a lot of Pakistanis so YouTube is not creating perceptions.

Pakistan has moved on from India, that's the current reality. Whether you attack us, or, you bring politics into Cricket, it doesn't bother us and is temporary in nature. We talk about it and call it a day. We don't take "India Pakistan hate" into things. On the other hand, you guys have become a nation that's getting cooked in the hate every day by your media at 300 degree Celsius. The dish has been burnt to ashes but you continue to cook that hate against Pakistan.

This is while you guys would proudly come on this forum and state "we have gone beyond Pakistan, our real competition is China". We ALL saw how that went. You are and will always be a Pakistan centric nation. That I believe is Mr. Jinnah's shraap to Mr. Gandhi (using my Hindi vocabulary today). That shraap dosha is in full force this year!!

If tomorrow, Modi says let's agree with Pakistan on a no-war pact, Pakistan would gladly sign off on it, will trade with India, but will go off to do bigger things in the world. That's set in stone. We have much bigger things to do in the world than where we have been. India was our past enemy, not current or future since this agreement was signed with KSA. We now have to become a military and tech industrial complex and build massive technology centers in Pakistan and KSA and grow. This war nonsense and year 2000's issues are old now. India should also move on.

 

[Hakwa Nadro]

Apka analysis bhi to dekhna thaa . I add a few people because I like your views on things

Jazakh Allahu Khairan

 

[Vikramaditya1]

This is while you guys would proudly come on this forum and state "we have gone beyond Pakistan, our real competition is China". We ALL saw how that went. You are and will always be a Pakistan centric nation. That I believe is Mr. Jinnah's shraap to Mr. Gandhi (using my Hindi vocabulary today). That shraap dosha is in full force this year!!

Anyone, especially any Indian who thinks Pakistan and India are competing simply wants to feel good about themselves. We are not even in the same league, the scale is different. So it's a pointless discussion to talk about a rivalry.

tomorrow, Modi says let's agree with Pakistan on a no-war pact, Pakistan would gladly sign off on it, will trade with India, but will go off to do bigger things in the world. That's set in stone. We have much bigger things to do in the world than where we have been. India was our past enemy, not current or future since this agreement was signed with KSA. We now have to become a military and tech industrial complex and build massive technology centers in Pakistan and KSA and grow. This war nonsense and year 2000's issues are old now. India should also move on.

In all honestly there is nothing India and Pakistan can gain by trading with each other. We might save a few millions but in the grand scheme of things it will be insignificant. Our annual trade was some big fat $2 billion dollars that too in India's favour. You couldn't export more than a few hundred million even when you had MFM status. There is no industrial expansion in Pakistan right now so this whole trade point is rather moot. The last time I heard about this you developing stuff was back in 13, when you signed CPEC. You were going to route China's export and Import through KKH. Where did that go? Without improving basic necessities, electricity, water, sanitation, banking, internet... These technology centers are useless.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

I mean the persistence and invocation of Pakistan, just randomly and persistently

It's the inability to truly dehyphenate psychologically and emotionally

Your entire national narrative now is around Pakistan when really it's the West who has determined it to a big part.

I personally I'm shocked at how much national effort and energy is still directed towards Pakistan when now it's the golden chance to be crafting a different destiny which is commensurate to your expectations of a civilizational state, what do you need Pakistan for? It seems like such a waste of effort

You keep associating with Pakistan which makes me think you're not serious about your aspirations

Indian leaders especially Modi loves to give speeches, of which some are in the UN. Take any speech, see how many times he mentions your country and compare that to your Prime Minister. I'm sure there is an infographic somewhere. You seem to be projecting too much. We talk about you because you are responsible for the troubles in Kashmir. If you don't want us talking about you, stay off Kashmir. What do you expect?

 

[RajaBaja]

Anyone, especially any Indian who thinks Pakistan and India are competing simply wants to feel good about themselves. We are not even in the same league, the scale is different. So it's a pointless discussion to talk about a rivalry.

In all honestly there is nothing India and Pakistan can gain by trading with each other. We might save a few millions but in the grand scheme of things it will be insignificant. Our annual trade was some big fat $2 billion dollars that too in India's favour. You couldn't export more than a few hundred million even when you had MFM status. There is no industrial expansion in Pakistan right now so this whole trade point is rather moot. The last time I heard about this you developing stuff was back in 13, when you signed CPEC. You were going to route China's export and Import through KKH. Where did that go? Without improving basic necessities, electricity, water, sanitation, banking, internet... These technology centers are useless.

Wow, what's amazing is the false "big nation" attitude never changes!! We are not even in the same league, because you have 1.4 billion people.

Outside of gaining money from Muslim nations and the US, there is no real growth in Indian market because everything comes from China. You guys can't even make your own fertilizer. As basic as it gets to grow crops.

The trade is through CPEC, the same as you've been told to do, to join CPEC if you want to be friends with China when Modi went to Xi looking for friendship.

The CPEC phase 1 is delayed because YOU, India, is spreading terrorism inside Baluchistan and KPK, through training and arming terrorists. If you stop that funding, training and mission management through your RAW, we could go live in 6 months. One of your active service officer, Commander KulBhushan Jadev is still in out custody.

 

[RajaBaja]

Indian leaders especially Modi loves to give speeches, of which some are in the UN. Take any speech, see how many times he mentions your country and compare that to your Prime Minister. I'm sure there is an infographic somewhere. You seem to be projecting too much. We talk about you because you are responsible for the troubles in Kashmir. If you don't want us talking about you, stay off Kashmir. What do you expect?

We expect you to end the terrorism into our nation through TTP and BLA using Afghanistan and Iran as your operations center. This same terrorism you are exporting to Pakistan, Middle East, UK, US, Canada and other nations.

But still, you are obsessed with Pakistan. Your media has nothing else to say but Pakistan. So my suggestion to you is to stop terrorism in other nations especially Pakistan and act like a normal neighbor. You can't stop our rise.

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[RajaBaja]

Indian leaders especially Modi loves to give speeches, of which some are in the UN. Take any speech, see how many times he mentions your country and compare that to your Prime Minister. I'm sure there is an infographic somewhere. You seem to be projecting too much. We talk about you because you are responsible for the troubles in Kashmir. If you don't want us talking about you, stay off Kashmir. What do you expect?

We expect you to end the terrorism into our nation through TTP and BLA using Afghanistan and Iran as your operations center. This same terrorism you are exporting to Pakistan, Middle East, UK, US, Canada and other nations.

This man in video below was your serving military officer caught in Iran running operations in Baluchistan. Listen to what he has to say. So end terrorism and stop spreading baseless propaganda.

But still, you are obsessed with Pakistan. Your media has nothing else to say but Pakistan. So my suggestion to you is to stop terrorism in other nations especially Pakistan and act like a normal neighbor. You can't stop our rise.

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[Vikramaditya1]

Wow, what's amazing is the false "big nation" attitude never changes!! We are not even in the same league, because you have 1.4 billion people.

Outside of gaining money from Muslim nations and the US, there is no real growth in Indian market because everything comes from China.

You talk as if you have 10 million people in Pakistan. There is more than 250 million of you. You were gaining momentum since independence. Yet large number of people are not even educated. All that is your internal problems, I have no interest in pointing out the obvious. But don't pretend as if you are simply some unlucky state.

You guys can't even make your own fertilizer. As basic as it gets to grow crops.

India is the Second largest fertilizer manufacturer in the world. Please do some research before making stuff up.

The trade is through CPEC, the same as you've been told to do, to join CPEC if you want to be friends with China when Modi went to Xi looking for friendship.

Pointless as it is, India and China shares closer borders to China's population centers. So the use of CPEC in itself is illogical. And sea route is rather cheap.

The CPEC phase 1 is delayed because YOU, India, is spreading terrorism inside Baluchistan and KPK, through training and arming terrorists. If you stop that funding, training and mission management through your RAW, we could go live in 6 months. One of your active service officer, Commander KulBhushan Jadev is still in out custody.

Yeah, India is responsible for terrorism thousands of miles away from Indian borders. Some useless trader who "confessed" under duress is the evidence.

 

[RajaBaja]

You talk as if you have 10 million people in Pakistan. There is more than 250 million of you. You were gaining momentum since independence. Yet large number of people are not even educated. All that is your internal problems, I have no interest in pointing out the obvious. But don't pretend as if you are simply some unlucky state.

I don't know why you brought up our population. Did you watch Kul Bhushan Jadev's interview? A serving Indian army senior officer responsible for running terror operations inside Pakistan? That was the topic, don't flip it. Arabs are finding out more and more of your operatives inside middle east, running operations for Indian and Israeli agencies. Soon you'll learn more about those in the media.

Why is India running terrorism related operations in so many nations?

India is the Second largest fertilizer manufacturer in the world. Please do some research before making stuff up.

You can't even manufacture your own fertilizers. While you tell the world you are some super duper nation built on American dollars and Muslim Riyals!! And you guys lie left and right. 80% of your fertilizers come from China. Who are you fooling? I'm not the USA or the Muslim nations in the middle east that can be fooled by you like you did for 30 years.

Read below:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...ctions-during-peak-farming-season/ar-AA1HwVli

https://glottis.global/2025/09/02/chinas-export-restrictions-on-fertilizers-impact-on-india/ ​

China’s Export Restrictions on Fertilizers: Impact on India​

China has announced plans to reimpose export restrictions on specialty fertilizers starting in October 2025, raising concerns across global markets and particularly in India, where agriculture is heavily dependent on Chinese supplies. Key Developments Key Data Overview Aspect Details Export Restrictions China reinstating fertilizer export curbs from October 2025 India’s Import Dependence 80% of specialty Fertilizers…
Natarajan
September 2, 2025
2 minutes

Yeah, India is responsible for terrorism thousands of miles away from Indian borders. Some useless trader who "confessed" under duress is the evidence.

Sad to see abandoning your own people? C'mon man, tomorrow you'll be send to one of these operations and how will you feel if your country abandons you also? He's not a small soldier, he's a commander of Indian Navy......... this is like the S-400 issue all over again. You guys don't stand with your own fallen. When a nation can do that, they can lie and make up ALL other stories.

Let me know when you people start to build fertilizers so you can grow crops. Had you done trade with Pakistan, we would sell you the fertilizers. Unlike you, we don't sow hate in our people's minds about India despite being a victims of mass terrorism on daily basis by India.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

80% of your fertilizers come from China. Who are you fooling?

You don't need me to fool you, to be foolish.
India needs so much fertilizer our own production is not enough. After we make close to 28MT of urea we import another 7MT. Point being we need more than we make.

Dependence 80% of specialty Fertilizers…

Even the US imports fertilizers from Russia. Stop being stupid to understand what's being talked about.

Sad to see abandoning your own people? C'mon man, tomorrow you'll be send to one of these operations and how will you feel if your country abandons you also? He's not a small soldier, he's a commander of Indian Navy......... this is like the S-400 issue all over again. You guys don't stand with your own fallen. When a nation can do that, they can lie and make up ALL other stories.

Let me know when you people start to build fertilizers so you can grow crops. Had you done trade with Pakistan, we would sell you the fertilizers. Unlike you, we don't sow hate in our people's minds about India despite being a victims of mass terrorism on daily basis by India.

All your arguments will be true if you can name one single UN designated Terrorist who was or is living in India. Name one UN or EU, US designated terror group coming from India.

As for importing fertilizer from Pakistan First improve your own agriculture your agro export is pathetic to even talk about. It's not even comparable to a country that's an agricultural powerhouse. Importing specialised fertilizer like DAP is not the Gotcha moment you think it is.

 

[r3alist]

Indian leaders especially Modi loves to give speeches, of which some are in the UN. Take any speech, see how many times he mentions your country and compare that to your Prime Minister. I'm sure there is an infographic somewhere. You seem to be projecting too much. We talk about you because you are responsible for the troubles in Kashmir. If you don't want us talking about you, stay off Kashmir. What do you expect?

Even when you shift the goal posts to the UN just the other day a statement was made about Pakistan and bombing, an internal matter India chimed in


This just becomes another contradiction.
You have a so-called competitor for Asia in China yet Pakistan dominates the national psyche

So this is the core point, America tried strategic altruism, Pakistan observed a ceasefire along the loc during the bjajwa years, calling India's bluff on its so-called China rivalry


Laser eyes comes out openly saying how can we take China on.... they much bigger and stronger


It is what it is, of course, no one would believe India to be stupid, but on this aspect it looks it.....unless India insists on being the spoiler on regional interconnectivity pushed by China

 

[RajaBaja]

You don't need me to fool you, to be foolish.
India needs so much fertilizer our own production is not enough. After we make close to 28MT of urea we import another 7MT. Point being we need more than we make.

Even the US imports fertilizers from Russia. Stop being stupid to understand what's being talked about.
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All your arguments will be true if you can name one single UN designated Terrorist who was or is living in India. Name one UN or EU, US designated terror group coming from India.

As for importing fertilizer from Pakistan First improve your own agriculture your agro export is pathetic to even talk about. It's not even comparable to a country that's an agricultural powerhouse. Importing specialised fertilizer like DAP is not the Gotcha moment you think it is.

What's interesting is, China, that provides so much fertilizer to India, isn't in the list. As always, you people try to deceit others in everything.

What you are NOT saying is, the RAW fertilizer comes from China like almost every other product. And then gets RE-PACKAGED in India. So by putting it in an Indian bag, you can't call it "Made in India"!!

Listen after 8:50 for the same thing I'm saying. In fact, you should watch the whole thing to know how everything in India comes from China.

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[RajaBaja]

Credit to our respectable member @Meengla. He posted this video on a different thread.

Some Indian channels have the bravery to post the truth. But since May we've seen as soon as true Indian journalists post real news, the news or the site is down and its backup without content.

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