Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[hasssanali8998]

What exactly are you implying

he is implying that Indian media in their stupidity will assume that we are gitting f35s and lose their minds .

 

[hasssanali8998]

F35s for PAF middle east command?

no never . why would they destroy only advantage IAF has over middle east countries

 

[hasssanali8998]

closer look

also he looks so AI in these pics

 

[RajaBaja]

Fully agree.

These nations seem to be taking a path to self destruction. In any case, history has shown that no power has risen to the top and remained there forever.
The amount of flux right now appears a little confusing. A reorder seems to be taking place.
What moves where and who gains supremacy would be known in few years.
China taking lead of one faction appears certain. US is unlikely to give up that easily.

Guys, USA was a daddy, is a daddy and will be a daddy for next 50 years to come! Truth should be told. The rest is all gossip. It took India 30 years with massive money support, millions of jobs given, by both the USA and the Middle East. Guess where they are at now? $3.5 trillion.

Now Indian growth will slow down as both USA and the Middle East are taking back their money and jobs slowly. So if it took 30 years to get to from below $ 1 trillion to $ 3.5 trillion, it will take what? Another 60 years for India to hit near $ 10 trillion?

And where would the US be at that time? $ 60 trillion and China at nearly $ 40-50 trillion? So the US isn't going anywhere. No other nation can better multiply their money than the US.

Take a look at Tik Tok, Elon told Trump he wants it or the US should have it, US made it a key condition linked to tariffs. Now I understand the Chinese president himself asked the TikTok developers to sell a big portion of it at a baseline deal at $ 12 billion. Meaning final deal could be at $ 12 billion or much more, wherever they all agree. So the US isn't going anywhere.

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closer look

I mentioned it when someone posted the first pic on twitter, it's an F-22. It was a commander in chief, gold plated pin presented to him when he approved the F-22 upgrade project.

 

[Vkdindian1]

$3.5 trillion.

Few days back, this was $3 trillion. A week back you had quoted $4 trillion. Where do you get these numbers from?
Why do you keep quoting such outrageous numbers just for the sake of making an argument with no other value. Stop lying please.

Now Indian growth will slow down as both USA and the Middle East are taking back their money and jobs slowly.

Again a complete BS. Which ME country has declared any such policy? Again a claim made out of thin air.

You have been caught many times making such false claims. Even mods have singled you out for making baseless claims and mountains out of mole hills.

You probably do this as you focus on quantity and not quality. You want to give your pearls of wisdom (non existent) on each and every matter under discussion. Economy, stealth, AWACS, missile design, Air War tactics, nuclear weapons, Geopolitics etc etc, everywhere you have a trademark - I am telling you, I said so…..

Take a pause buddy.

 

[RajaBaja]

Few days back, this was $3 trillion. A week back you had quoted $4 trillion. Where do you get these numbers from?
Why do you keep quoting such outrageous numbers just for the sake of making an argument with no other value. Stop lying please.
Again a complete BS. Which ME country has declared any such policy? Again a claim made out of thin air.

You have been caught many times making such false claims. Even mods have singled you out for making baseless claims and mountains out of mole hills.

You probably do this as you focus on quantity and not quality. You want to give your pearls of wisdom (non existent) on each and every matter under discussion. Economy, stealth, AWACS, missile design, Air War tactics, nuclear weapons, Geopolitics etc etc, everywhere you have a trademark - I am telling you, I said so…..

Take a pause buddy.

Don't make statements without logic like you've been making since May after losing 6 jets. I will try to help you one more time so you can remember what's generally said: Estimated $3-3.5 trillion was the US investments over 30 years. $ 3.5 trillion is your GDP but it's not connected with the investment. $ 4 is expectations by 2035. IF US and Arabs will let India fool them further.

Kindly, memorize these to avoid thread derailing. Let's focus back on this thread and write something productive about Regional Power Pakistan and Saudi Arabia's defense pact.

 

[Vkdindian1]

Don't make statements without logic like you've been making since May after losing 6 jets.

Did I make any mention of your pain due to pin point attacks over your bases or radars? No. Because it is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

I will try to help you one more time so you can remember what's generally said: Estimated $3-3.5 trillion was the US investments over 30 years.

Again a white lie. US government has not invested a single penny in India. Big corporations have been pumping in money as India offered a good place to trade and do business. And how did you arrive at this number of $ 3-3.5 trillion? Quote a reference, otherwise shut your mouth.

IF US and Arabs will let India fool them further.

No one is fooling anyone and no one is a fool either. These nations have enough brain power and definitely more than a person of your capability, to decide their policies.

Let's focus back on this thread and write something productive about Regional Power Pakistan and Saudi Arabia's defense pact.

Khwaja Asif is about to give an interview to Mehdi Hasan. The extent of this pact would be discussed and we would know. Your tall claims in this regard are of no value.

The details of this pact haven’t been declared or made public. The biggest benefit, Pakistan is expecting is economic.
Saudi Arabia definitely has bigger coffers, but expecting them to dole out disproportionately large money vs the military support they get would be an exaggerated hope.

These matters take few years to reveal themselves fully. So we have time in hand to see the outcome. Nothing is happening overnight as being claimed by you.

 

[tower9]

Fully agree.

These nations seem to be taking a path to self destruction. In any case, history has shown that no power has risen to the top and remained there forever.
The amount of flux right now appears a little confusing. A reorder seems to be taking place.
What moves where and who gains supremacy would be known in few years.
China taking lead of one faction appears certain. US is unlikely to give up that easily.

The US hasn’t been giving up easily. It’s literally tried every trick in the book against China, created Covid, sanctions, never ending propaganda, the Quad, manufacturing hate and crises against China, fomenting rebellion in HK, etc.

The US has just failed spectacularly and China is victorious. Now it is being clear that China is actually stronger now and will be pulling away.

 

[Vkdindian1]

The US hasn’t been giving up easily. It’s literally tried every trick in the book against China, created Covid, sanctions, never ending propaganda, the Quad, manufacturing hate and crises against China, fomenting rebellion in HK, etc.

The US has just failed spectacularly and China is victorious. Now it is being clear that China is actually stronger now and will be pulling away.

There is no stopping China. It has already crossed the stage of critical mass in this regard. It is already knocking at the doors to take over leadership role at world stage.

 

[RajaBaja]

Did I make any mention of your pain due to pin point attacks over your bases or radars? No. Because it is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Again a white lie. US government has not invested a single penny in India. Big corporations have been pumping in money as India offered a good place to trade and do business. And how did you arrive at this number of $ 3-3.5 trillion?

No one is fooling anyone and no one is a fool either. These nations have enough brain power and definitely more than a a person of your capability, to decide their policies.


Khwaja Asif is about to give an interview to Mehdi Hasan. The extent of this pact would be discussed and we would know. Your tall claims in this regard are of no value.

Another thread derailed with verbal diarrhea! It suck to be from India and to be hurting this much. Let's get back to the topic of this thread, "Regional Power Pakistan and KSA's defense pact. Thanks

 

[Vkdindian1]

Another thread derailed with verbal diarrhea! It suck to be from India and to be hurting this much. Btw, the person you call "Khawaja Asif", I call him "Khawaja Uncle"! Let's get back to the topic of this thread, "Regional Power Pakistan and KSA's defense pact. Thanks

Read your post #2795.
You are the one who made completely unrelated and false claims and dragged India into it. When questioned you again brought in 7th May, while forgetting 10th May.

When cornered with your lies exposed, crocodile tears have started flowing, with ‘don’t derail thread’ plea.

Khwaja Asif is a federal minister. His words to world media have more weight than your pasts on a forum.
I will get back to discuss, when he has clarified on most of the issues that are not yet known to the public, about this pact.
Sit tight till then.

 

[Tamerlane]

Guys, USA was a daddy, is a daddy and will be a daddy for next 50 years to come!

No one lasts forever. Especially someone who’s already in an advanced state of sickness.

 

[tower9]

There is no stopping China. It has already crossed the stage of critical mass in this regard. It is already knocking at the doors to take over leadership role at world stage.

The doors have already fallen. China is just strolling in at this point.

China is a far stronger nation state than the US now. It isn’t “catching up”, it has surpassed the US. The US is still more influential politically but that will collapse quickly if it’s not reinforced by real hard power. China is soft managing the decline of the US because the last thing you want is an irrational declining power lashing out.

 

[Tamerlane]

The doors have already fallen. China is just strolling in at this point.

China is a far stronger nation state than the US now. It isn’t “catching up”, it has surpassed the US. The US is still more influential politically but that will collapse quickly if it’s not reinforced by real hard power. China is soft managing the decline of the US because the last thing you want is an irrational declining power lashing out.

The concept you're describing is known as the Thucydides Trap, a term popularized by Graham T. Allison that refers to the tendency for war to occur when a rising power threatens to displace a ruling great power, as identified in the writings of the ancient Greek historian Thucydides. This dynamic creates a dangerous environment where the incumbent power fears insecurity and the rising power feels entitled to a greater role, often leading to conflict.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Perhaps more relevant to this thread: There was a NY Times article some months ago which said the Trump admin wants to 'carve up' the world into 'spheres of influence' in the old fashioned ways of imperial powers. I called it America's 'Economic Monroe Doctrine'. If that were to materialize then Pakistan benefits greatly while India would be relegated to a middling military power with a big market to exploit.

They tried India in Afghanistan during WOT and that regime collapsed on the same day of NATO withdrawl.

They realised there and then Indians are not capable of this and never will be. The May conflict was just the confirmation.

Which is why now they have been pushed aside when it comes to these matters. CENTCOM and central Asian countries work with Pakistan and very successfully. Pakistan has proved its leadership.