RajaBaja
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Seems like you have a bigger issue than China
. Don't worry, we got it. It will be handled if Turkiye asks us. In fact there may already be discussions starting on this subject.TF-X / KAAN / Hürjet Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircrafts News & Discussions
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Seems like you have a bigger issue than China
. Don't worry, we got it. It will be handled if Turkiye asks us. In fact there may already be discussions starting on this subject.royalharris
Registered Member
Don't take yourself too seriously.
When an individual or a country doesn't understand itself, it often backfires.
When an individual or a country doesn't understand itself, it often backfires.
FuturePAF
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It is indeed very impressive.
hyperman
INT'L MOD
China sold Ballistic Missile tech to Turkey in the past.
royalharris
Registered Member
Check the background of this business
Time is different, Situation is different
We can see what kind of offer Turkey can provide
Missile technology is not air fighter engine technology, even Yemen can build ballistic missile; No Europe country can build a ws10C/F110 level engine until now.
Remember: Turkey is nato country
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China is not a free country. Its citizens lack the understanding of political processes and decision-making mechanisms that individuals from Western countries or Turkey possess. Matters are handled in secrecy, and the public is only presented with curated information, which ultimately results in the situation we observe here on this topic: Chinese claiming nonsense.
royalharris
Registered Member
foolish arrogant and angry frogs in the well
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hyperman
INT'L MOD
I don't think you have a good grasp of the situation. China does not see NATO as a monolith, Turkey gets invited to SCO meetings unlike other NATO members. And there are several countries in NATO that China strategically invests in. Case in point, China banned its companies from setting up battery factories and factories in EU that involved Transfer of tech, yet BYD was given permission to set one up in Turkey. China has also invested in Turkey as part of Belt and Road. And invited Turkey to BRICS.
The Russians sold the S-400s to Turkey, despite Turkey being NATO.
The mere fact that other "NATO countries" are embargoing a NATO country, should give you a hint, that Turkey is not a "normal" NATO country, its a special case, and both the other countries inside NATO and outside of NATO treat it as such on a case by case basis.
MMM-E
Elite Member
Turkish Defense Companies to equip the KAAN with the latest technologies
-- KAAN will be autonomous .. The pilot can leave the task entirely to KAAN
Artificial Intelligence Co-pilot
-- KAAN to have auto pilot technology ... ( Pilot Health Tracking )
if the Pilot faints , TFX can return to the base and land on
Airborne AESA Radars in NATO
AN/APG-77 / AN/APG-79 / AN/APG-81 / AN/APG-83 / AN/APG-85 .... USA
CAPTOR-E .... consortium ( The UK ,Germany , Italy , Spain ) ... Eurofighter
RBE2 AA ... France .... Rafale
RAVEN ES-05 ... Italy .... JAS GRİPEN
MURAD-110A ... Turkiye .... F-16 , AKINCI , HURJET , KIZILELMA and ANKA-3
Also MURAD-600A ... Turkiye ... under development for the KAAN Fighter Jet
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AESA Radar
F-22 = AN/APG-77 AESA Radar detect 1m2 RCS target from 200 km
F-35 =AN/APG-81 AESA Radar detect 1m2 RCS target from 160 km
if Turkish MURAD-600A AESA Radar detect 1 m2 RCS target from 200 km away that will be enough to use 185+ km GOKBORA and 200 km GOKHAN ramjet powered air to air missiles effectively
RAFALE's RBE2 AA AESA Radar has 838 T/R modules built on GaAs
F-35's AN/APG-81 AESA Radar has 1.626 T/R modules built on GaAs
( New AN/APG-85 AESA Radar has GaN T/R modules )
F-22's APG-77 AESA Radar has 1.956 T/R modules built on GaAs
KAAN's MURAD-600A AESA Radar has 2.000+ T/R modules built on GaN
KAAN vs RAFALE head to head engagement ...( approximately )
KAAN : 175-200 km
RAFALE : 38 km
4,5 gen Fighters like F-15EX , F-16V , RAFALE have no any chance against the KAAN in BVR combat ... not even close
Thanks to stealth design , internal weapon bays and powerful AESA Radar
Comparison of generator powers of some Fighter Jets
▪︎ KAAN: 2x125Kw .... 250 kw (developed by Turkish company VOLT )
▪︎ F35:3x80Kw .... 240 kw
▪︎ F22: 2x65Kw ... 130 kw
▪︎ KF-21: 2x65Kw .. 130 kw ... (Collins aerospace from USA)
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Also KAAN is coming with AI-enhanced 360° situational awareness ( 4 AESA Radars , IRST and EOTS ) Sensor Fusion
This is really impressive and also the best example of powerful sensors working in tandem with 5th gen Sensor Fusion. This is something impossible to get on 4,5th gen Fighters
F-22 , KF-21 , J-20 lacks 360° situational awareness
-- F-35 360-degree situational awareness with DAS
-- KAAN 360-degree situational awareness with 4 AESA Radars
F-22 , KF-21 , SU-57 , J-20 use HUD
KAAN and F-35 use Helmet-Mounted Display System (HMDS)
HMDS fully utilizes the advanced avionics architecture of the KAAN and F-35 provides the pilot video with imagery in day or night conditions
virtual cockpits presented via helmet-mounted displays which allow the pilot 360-degree vision with AI-enhanced battlefield awareness
Aselsan TULGAR HMDS
Color screen and digital night vision technologies ( the first time in the system )
-- high-capacity networking , AI , data fusion
Aselsan KARAT IRST to detect the 5th gen Fighters from 50-100 km away
-- Superior target detection range with LWIR detector
-- Detecting 5th generation Fighter Jets
-- Detection of up to 100 targets / Tracking of up to 3 targets
Aselsan TOYGUN EOTS
Single/Multiple Target Tracking
Automatic Target Recognition
Laser Target Designation and Range Finding
Laser Spot Tracking
Targeting System Suitable for Air-to-Air and Air-to-Ground Missions
6th gen Fighter Jets to use directed-energy laser CIWS
-- F-22 , F-35 , KF-21 , J-20 lacks DIRCM
-- KAAN to use DIRCM ( Aselsan YILDIRIM-300 )
to intercept IR homing Missiles to make KAAN more survivable in combat
Currently, the number of countries that can produce DIRCM and use it on their platforms is quite limited
SU-57 has DIRCM too
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Network Centric Warfare
T-LINK, the national tactical data-link system developed by ASELSAN, has made Turkiye one of only 7 countries capable of producing in this field
Can an air-to-air missile be launched from another Aircraft using an Aircraft's radar?
It's possible with T-LINK
KIZILELMA and ANKA-4 unmanned stealth Fighter Jets will use KAAN's powerful AESA Radar to guide 185+ km GOKBORA air to air Missiles on F-15EX , F-16V and RAFALE
first look - first fire - first kill capability
MUM-T Concept ( Manned-Unmanned Teaming )
full data-to-decision (D2D) capability for multi-layered distributed team of diverse manned aircraft working in concert with unmanned types (KAAN , ANKA-3/4 , KIZILELMA)
KAAN
KIZILELMA
ANKA-3/4
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RAMJET powered Air to Air Missiles in NATO
-- 200 km METEOR (France, UK, Italy, Germany, Spain, Sweden)
-- 185+ km GOKBORA ( Turkiye ) ... under development .. ( AESA RF seeker )
-- 200 km GOKHAN ( Turkiye ) ... under development .. ( AESA RF seeker )
-- 200 km AIM-260 ( USA ) ... under development
No Ramjet
No AESA RF seeker
Türkiye creates future tactical air combat concept to become one of top 5 in the world with USA , The UK , China , France
MMM-E
Elite Member
Statement on KAAN from Defense Industries President Prof. Dr. Haluk Görgün
The KAAN mass production was planned to be based on domestically produced engines, not foreign ones. Development activities for the KAAN fighter jet's main engine, the TF35000, and the APU60 auxiliary power unit are successfully ongoing.
There are no delays in the delivery schedule for our KAAN fighter jet. To avoid jeopardizing our series production, we do not rely solely on a single source; we work with various supply channels and simultaneously evaluate alternatives.
This way, we both secure the schedule and continuously advance our national engine development roadmap.
The future of the KAAN is in no way dependent on a single country's engine. We have confidence in our engineers. The TF35000 mass production process is proceeding as planned.
If necessary, engine changes for the first block are possible. While some engineering development needs may arise due to this situation, aircraft design and development activities, as is the case worldwide, require continuous iteration and change management. I do not anticipate a significant scheduling disadvantage in such a scenario. We manage our projects with an Agile Systems Engineering approach. However, as I mentioned, our final production aircraft will fly with domestically produced engines.
The KAAN mass production was planned to be based on domestically produced engines, not foreign ones. Development activities for the KAAN fighter jet's main engine, the TF35000, and the APU60 auxiliary power unit are successfully ongoing.
There are no delays in the delivery schedule for our KAAN fighter jet. To avoid jeopardizing our series production, we do not rely solely on a single source; we work with various supply channels and simultaneously evaluate alternatives.
This way, we both secure the schedule and continuously advance our national engine development roadmap.
The future of the KAAN is in no way dependent on a single country's engine. We have confidence in our engineers. The TF35000 mass production process is proceeding as planned.
If necessary, engine changes for the first block are possible. While some engineering development needs may arise due to this situation, aircraft design and development activities, as is the case worldwide, require continuous iteration and change management. I do not anticipate a significant scheduling disadvantage in such a scenario. We manage our projects with an Agile Systems Engineering approach. However, as I mentioned, our final production aircraft will fly with domestically produced engines.
RajaBaja
Trusted Member
You are back at it again
. Sharing a ton of data in one post confuses people. - Good direction on AI. I was waiting on that news. With AI co-pilot, KAAN can directly work with KizilELma and Anka's, etc, without burdening the pilot.
- For ONLY KAAN with stealth advantage, Gokbora and Gokhan are fine. But you will not field KAAN for next 10 years and majority of the fights will still be fought with your F-16's.
So both Gokbora and Gokhan need further ranges to meet the new flight envelop for BVR missiles that's now unofficially 250-300 KM. Pakistan India warfare has set that new standard.
Hakikat ve Hikmet
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The Turkish MIC Boss has, in fact, hinted at the "alternative" sources while the indigenous engine is being developed....
The Turkish Foreign Minister has categorically said: limitations with the USA will inevitably push us to different tools....
[Dubbed in English] Haluk Görgün Puts an End to the Kaan Debate! 'He Will Fly with a Domestically Produced Engine' -
[Dubbed in English] Minister Fidan's Remarkable "KAAN" Statement
Merzifonlu
Registered Member
Excellent news! Honestly, I did not expect to receive this permission for us.
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