Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[Dual Wielder]

I for one am against this unholy alliance. The Saudis were mute during the Kashmiri genocide, when Modi officially annexed IOK. They went further to ensure OIC (useless as it may be) wasn't used as a platform for it either. Although they did compromise in the end by allowing a tweet of condemnation, but not without throwing a fit when Imran Khan tried to seek an alliance with Malaysia whose PM did actually condemn India.

Oh and another minor thing they did help orchestrate a coup that removed our last elected Prime Minister.

 

[Pogic]

its not about politics, its about the emotional attachment to the Palestinian cause, a tiny Israel is dictating terms to 50 Muslim nations and they are giving everything away in a plate.

Well, that's the state of the muslim nations. No victory possible in this current state.

 

[Meengla]

You do realize that no one can save Palestinians from Israel when US standing behind them right? All of EU accepting Palestinian state won't change a thing for as long as US stand behind Israel, so what option does the Palestinians have at this point? Surviving at this point is the least minimum, and don't people get the memo that no Arab Armies or 500 Million Arabs coming to Save them, nor Pakistan's nuclear weapons can do anything, Turkey will only issue statements and that's about it, now ICC/ICJ has arrest warrants are sitting there gathering Dust, so what all those boycotts and protests achieve ? NOTHING... 30K dead children, and hundreds probably died under rubble and decomposed in Gaza couldn't bring the world to take any action against Israel

Oh, I remember in the Gaza war thread so many getting giddy about the street protests, about boycotting the American products, about the ICC/ICJ rulings, about the UNGA votes, about Israel's 'image' getting hammered, about a few IDF soldiers dying here and there in Gaza....
Such 'tactical' brains! The reality was that Netanyahu didn't really care if the whole world would boycott Israel or he was not allowed into any country because he knew there was only one that really mattered: America!

 

[Goenitz]

no, i for one totally agree with you, more palestinians should die...aint that right?

then, where should we draw the line? Should we forgive Israel for the killings? I mean, we didn't forget or forgive India for 71, or should we? What next, Kashmiris have been suffering since 47. Should we let go of Kashmir then so they can integrate, trade, assimilate, etc.?

We have no say in the political boundaries of any state. It is up to neighbours and Palestinians. We must be concerned about Palestinians' lives, fundamental rights and Bait-ul-Muqaddas. Accepting purely the US and Israel proposal, which has no backing even from the EU, is a fatal mistake.

 

[Ak01]

then, where should we draw the line? Should we forgive Israel for the killings?

Are you palestinian? If they choose to forgive, to hold hatred, to sign a peace deal, or to reject a peace deal, it is their choice- not yours.

I mean, we didn't forget or forgive India for 71, or should we?

I think first, you should be worried about the bengalis forgiving us for committing what was a literal genocide. I for one have been very pro approaching bangladesh and officially apologising for our actions. Not sure what we'd need to forgive India for to be honest.

What next, Kashmiris have been suffering since 47. Should we let go of Kashmir then so they can integrate, trade, assimilate, etc.?

If that is what the Kashmiri's like, we have always been pro plebiscite, if they deem it acceptable, then so be it.

We have no say in the political boundaries of any state. It is up to neighbours and Palestinians. We must be concerned about Palestinians' lives, fundamental rights and Bait-ul-Muqaddas. Accepting purely the US and Israel proposal, which has no backing even from the EU, is a fatal mistake.

If you are concerned about palestinians lives, then the reality is you have no option. You are making a deal with the devil yes, if you dont accept, the devil literally has the power to crush you, with full impunity. Trump has given israel full support in "finishing the job" if they dont accept- i dont know about you, but that is terrifying language, if that doesnt tell you that mass death and destruction is coming, beyond what we've already seen, then i dont know what will. Take the deal, save your children, save your families and accept what little shred they're giving you, because if you dont, the reality is, everyone will turn their back and hit them with a "you should have taken the deal"...

Are we more palestinian than the palestinians themselves? Do we have a right for the sake of our hatred of israel to then choose for them greater suffering? Easy with our internet macho bravado to say we'd rather become martyrs, but i bet the fathers and the mothers of children would say that the war should be ended so they can give their children bread at the very least.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Saudis

They have burnt all bridges locally and most internationally... coming days and years are tough and economic headwinds getting stronger.
I'm not against the deal in principle as this is perhaps the only way to step up. However, not to handle someone else's baggage and trash!
They made the Abraham Accords, paid lip service and pushed other countries to join. The Palestinians would never willingly surrender, they have suffered better part of the century from this demonic presence. Now they're looking to kick the can down for a few more years... knocking down every last remaining standing residential towers... they know exactly what they're upto... and now these dimwits show up to provide zion an off ramp .... again Muslims! The wanted international genocidal criminal stood at the UN podium and made a speech!!! Where was the international law?
Let them crawl back under a can and have the orange clown sort out his and his masters mess all by himself.
Does anyone seriously believe in two state solution? One you're dealing with certainly doesn't... that is his stated party line! And Pakistan has a principled stance of one state with equal rights for all.

 

[Goenitz]

Are you palestinian? If they choose to forgive, to hold hatred, to sign a peace deal, or to reject a peace deal, it is their choice- not yours.

No. I already said so, what Palestinians feel right about boundaries. 'Forgive killings' means why we normalise relations with the killers.

I think first, you should be worried about the bengalis forgiving us for committing what was a literal genocide. I for one have been very pro approaching bangladesh and officially apologising for our actions. Not sure what we'd need to forgive India for to be honest.

That they destabilised us. If it is a non-issue, then we should try our best to restore normal relations with India.

If that is what the Kashmiri's like, we have always been pro plebiscite, if they deem it acceptable, then so be it.

Frankly, I feel the same for Balochistan and KPK. Why a centre should rule people living in remote areas. Even Quetta shouldn't rule over Khuzdar.

If you are concerned about palestinians lives, then the reality is you have no option. You are making a deal with the devil yes, if you dont accept, the devil literally has the power to crush you, with full impunity. Trump has given israel full support in "finishing the job" if they dont accept- i dont know about you, but that is terrifying language, if that doesnt tell you that mass death and destruction is coming, beyond what we've already seen, then i dont know what will. Take the deal, save your children, save your families and accept what little shred they're giving you, because if you dont, the reality is, everyone will turn their back and hit them with a "you should have taken the deal"

Yes, people should be pragmatic and accept their fate. However, then we shouldn't be the tool. Trump easily takes back when confronted. So, an idea which has no EU backing, why would we leap for that?

 

[Cash gk]

No. I already said so, what Palestinians feel right about boundaries. 'Forgive killings' means why we normalise relations with the killers.

That they destabilised us. If it is a non-issue, then we should try our best to restore normal relations with India.

Frankly, I feel the same for Balochistan and KPK. Why a centre should rule people living in remote areas. Even Quetta shouldn't rule over Khuzdar.

Yes, people should be pragmatic and accept their fate. However, then we shouldn't be the tool. Trump easily takes back when confronted. So, an idea which has no EU backing, why would we leap for that?

Many traitors will come out. Don't worry, just wait and see.. You will see many snakes. Just wait

 

[Ak01]

No. I already said so, what Palestinians feel right about boundaries. 'Forgive killings' means why we normalise relations with the killers.

That they destabilised us. If it is a non-issue, then we should try our best to restore normal relations with India.

Lets be real here...

Frankly, I feel the same for Balochistan and KPK. Why a centre should rule people living in remote areas. Even Quetta shouldn't rule over Khuzdar.

Sure

Yes, people should be pragmatic and accept their fate. However, then we shouldn't be the tool. Trump easily takes back when confronted. So, an idea which has no EU backing, why would we leap for that?

Im not sure why you keep saying no EU backing- which EU state has rejected this plan? As far as i know, i saw some pretty positive reactions.

 

[Cash gk]

Tony Blair will be governor

Tony Blair’s seat on post-war Gaza has been decades in the making

The White House has announced a proposal to end Israel’s offensive in Gaza that would see former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair take part in the temporary

english.alarabiya.net

 

[Taimoor]

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At the United Nations, Pakistan’s 'Unelected' Shahbaz Sharif and the President of the American Jewish Congress, Daniel Rosen, quietly came together in New York.

I genuinely feel for the retard faujeets/pitwaris/jayalas . Bugz-e-Imran main Pakistan ke man bahan eek kardee. They will see, their generations will see, what was the end goal of the regime change operation in Pakistan.

 

[Cash gk]

See the level of N leaguers my father and my uncle still not ready to accept that Asim munier and shabaz shrif doing this. They still saying they are Islam's holy warriors.
Even I showed them Trump's video shabaz tweet...

 

[PakFactor]

See the level of N leaguers my father and my uncle still not ready to accept that Asim munier and shabaz shrif doing this. They still saying they are Islam's holy warriors.
Even I showed them Trump's video shabaz tweet...

@Cash gk, I love you like a brother, but you have to see the ground you walk on, not the one you want to walk on. I do not like either political party in Pakistan, and neither do I like the establishment's interference in political affairs, as they have no business in it, as it derails entirely the organic growth of the country's politics, but as we stand, no country, including Pakistan, has a better alternative.

 

[Cash gk]

“Imran Khan is a hero, he has done a lot for Pakistan. I already said many others will come out too — so what does that have to do with Imran Khan? Trump Asim munier 's father is saying this , you immediately accept it, but you put the blame on Imran Khan. Your cheap remark basically means that standing with the truth is ‘wrong,’ and supporting genocide is ‘right’ in your eyes. The reality is people like you aren’t just blind you’re openly supporters of genocide.”

 

[Tamerlane]

Having read the 20/21 point peace plan, it says nothing about Pakistan or anyone else signing the Abraham Accords or recognizing Israel.

The plan talks about Israeli military withdrawal from Gaza and an Arab/International peace force replacing them.

The only controversial part is the total disarmament of Hamas and their replacement with peacekeeping troops. The other controversial part is about Trump and Tony Blair’s role in the arrangement. However, we can’t expect them to hand over Gaza 100% to a Muslim force.

The good part is the removal of Israeli military, and the massive reconstruction of Gaza. That’s something that will make it much better than it was before.

Overall, I’m tending to incline towards the plan being accepted as long as final decisions about a Palestinian state and signing the Abraham Accords are left for later.