Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[Cash gk]

@Cash gk, I love you like a brother, but you have to see the ground you walk on, not the one you want to walk on. I do not like either political party in Pakistan, and neither do I like the establishment's interference in political affairs, as they have no business in it, as it derails entirely the organic growth of the country's politics, but as we stand, no country, including Pakistan, has a better alternative.

If you read me since long. I always stand with Pakistan. Here they going to commit treason against Muslims it will be unforgivable

 

[Cash gk]

yes absolutely- ss and munir made the deal...

get immy's spunk outta your eyes and you might actually be able to see

Imran Khan is a hero, he has done a lot for Pakistan. I already said many others will come out too — so what does that have to do with Imran Khan? Trump Asim munier 's father is saying this , you immediately accept it, but you put the blame on Imran Khan. Your cheap remark basically means that standing with the truth is ‘wrong,’ and supporting genocide is ‘right’ in your eyes. The reality is people like you aren’t just blind you’re openly supporters of genocide

 

[Goenitz]

Having read the 20/21 point peace plan, it says nothing about Pakistan or anyone else signing the Abraham Accords or recognizing Israel.

did they release that?

 

[r3alist]

Is there an irony everyone is missing?

India is snarking that Pakistan is exporting a mercenary army

At least an army is an army, with brave men

The world is snarking the India is just exporting potbellied dubiously skilled professionals en masse, in perpetuity


The army professional is noble and masculine

No one is asking India for net security

Why is that so?

@SoulSpokesman

 

[Meengla]

If you are concerned about palestinians lives, then the reality is you have no option. You are making a deal with the devil yes, if you dont accept, the devil literally has the power to crush you, with full impunity. Trump has given israel full support in "finishing the job" if they dont accept- i dont know about you, but that is terrifying language, if that doesnt tell you that mass death and destruction is coming, beyond what we've already seen, then i dont know what will. Take the deal, save your children, save your families and accept what little shred they're giving you, because if you dont, the reality is, everyone will turn their back and hit them with a "you should have taken the deal"...

Right.
And perhaps the only 'concession' the eight Muslims leader who met Trump a few days ago and have endorsed the 'peace plan' is that the Gazans, though becoming subjects of Israel, wouldn't be kicked out or killed anymore. And in those, a far away Indonesia is one of the eight countries.
A strategic defeat is a strategic defeat. Armenia just accepted that against Azerbaijan. Plenty before and plenty more in future in human history . But a 'Palestine' in Gaza doesn't die as long as a large number of Palestinians live in Gaza. It is the transfer or the displacement of a population that kills a 'nation'

 

[Tamerlane]

did they release that?

Yes, it’s here:

Donald Trump's 20-point Gaza peace plan in full - BBC News

European and Middle Eastern leaders have welcomed a new US peace plan for Gaza, as President Donald Trump warned Hamas to accept it.

www.bbc.com

 

[Broghil]

Does this plan mention that all these Muslim countries will normalise their relations with Israel or they would accept Abraham accord or is it a plan limited to Gaza war and it's end? Anybody read the whole plan?

 

[Cash gk]

Does this plan mention that all these Muslim countries will normalise their relations with Israel or they would accept Abraham accord or is it a plan limited to Gaza war and it's end? Anybody read the whole plan?

The rest of Muslim world has no significance if Pakistan recognised them that will change the whole dynamic Pakistan is not just a random country. It is atomic power with 250, million population.
But the problem will start from here because the one who is in prime minister office he barely won 17 seats that means it will be destruction in Pakistan because people of Pakistan will react to the level that our security structure will be f…k up. Either way, Israel going to win.

 

[Cash gk]

You know any manifestation was banned in Pakistan related to Palestine in last two years. Even police was catching people waving Palestine flag in cricket grounds dynamic will change because people are already angry on the matter of stolen mandate. When religious element will get into it will be disaster

 

[Cash gk]

They have no idea what will happen to them. People in Pakistan may not offer five times prayer but they are certain boundaries. They will not allow you to cross that is my understanding about the Pakistani society. I may not live among them but I do understand the fabric of Pakistani society.

 

[Watandar]

Does this plan mention that all these Muslim countries will normalise their relations with Israel or they would accept Abraham accord or is it a plan limited to Gaza war and it's end? Anybody read the whole plan?

Its heavily implied if not directly mentioned. Otherwise what is the gain for Israel or Trump ?

Its also why the various Muslim govts are being quiet or evasive. If there was no normalization with Israel they would have said so right out of the gate. But its part and parcel of the plan and hence these govts need time to first prepare their publics and sort out the politics. Its why you now see different tone in Pakistani media and cyberspace, including on this forum.

 

[RescueRanger]

India is snarking that Pakistan is exporting a mercenary army

Pot meets kettle moment:

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[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

You know any manifestation was banned in Pakistan related to Palestine in last two years. Even police was catching people waving Palestine flag in cricket grounds dynamic will change because people are already angry on the matter of stolen mandate. When religious element will get into it will be disaster

As I said it makes for a volatile state of affairs inside Pakistan against the machine. That causes everyone to distrust every single thing the other is saying. The very reason conspiracies are ripe is because so much is done behind closed doors... with no transparency.
In this case, Pakistan has no business providing an illegitimate entity an off ramp. This whole two state saga was stated by Gen. Mush! That is what he conceded with no ball in the game riding on zion!!!
Imagine leaving a principled position for a two states THAT YOU KNOW IS A DIVERSION! WHEN THE OTHER SIDE HAS STATED THEIR GOALS OPENLY!

How do you eat this nothingbuger?

 

[Broghil]

The rest of Muslim world has no significance if Pakistan recognised them that will change the whole dynamic Pakistan is not just a random country. It is atomic power with 250, million population.
But the problem will start from here because the one who is in prime minister office he barely won 17 seats that means it will be destruction in Pakistan because people of Pakistan will react to the level that our security structure will be f…k up. Either way, Israel going to win.

You may be right. But I don't think it would be that easy to accept Israel for any govt even if it had won all 272 seats.
As far as I have read the plan from the bbc link given above it doesn't seem that it makes it a binding on Pak or any other country to accept israel.
Right after such a bloody war in Gaza even for arab countries it will be a very very hard pill to swallow.
I might be wrong but this plan should only focus on ending current war. Anything beyond that is too much of a grey area.
I hope anything which is not written in these line is not being promised by Pak Govt.

 

[Broghil]

Its heavily implied if not directly mentioned. Otherwise what is the gain for Israel or Trump ?

Its also why the various Muslim govts are being quiet or evasive. If there was no normalization with Israel they would have said so right out of the gate. But its part and parcel of the plan and hence these govts need time to first prepare their publics and sort out the politics. Its why you now see different tone in Pakistani media and cyberspace, including on this forum.

Well let's see and hope for a better outcome. I hope that this plan is limited to things which are said in 20 points and not beyond that.