Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[Goenitz]

when Joe was imminent.

 

[Taimoor]

So let me get it straight, Tony Blair will become "chairman" of Gaza, and if Pakistan troops are deployed there, they will be under Tony Blair's thumb?

 

[Taimoor]

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when Joe was imminent.

Did he actually said this?

 

[Goenitz]

Did he actually said this?

old tweet from 2020

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meanwhile

 

[Watandar]

So let me get it straight, Tony Blair will become "chairman" of Gaza, and if Pakistan troops are deployed there, they will be under Tony Blair's thumb?

Yes. And Blair and Pakistani troops main job will be suppressing groups like Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad etc. Israel failed to do this themselves so they have pivoted to hiring Muslims to do it.

 

[Taimoor]

old tweet from 2020

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I wonder what the faujeets/Patwaris say on this.

 

[Goenitz]

I wonder what the faujeets/Patwaris say on this.

lol.. I don't want to post SSG photos with the "Jerusalem" milestone. That will be more embarrassing. SS is a joker. He can blame and hug Zardari at the same time.
That arrogant midget turned off Zainab's father's mic, used the police to beat the bakery guy, allowed extrajudicial killings, massacred women in Model Town, etc. A good CV for hellfire.

 

[Master Chief]

then, where should we draw the line? Should we forgive Israel for the killings? I mean, we didn't forget or forgive India for 71, or should we? What next, Kashmiris have been suffering since 47. Should we let go of Kashmir then so they can integrate, trade, assimilate, etc.?

We have no say in the political boundaries of any state. It is up to neighbours and Palestinians. We must be concerned about Palestinians' lives, fundamental rights and Bait-ul-Muqaddas. Accepting purely the US and Israel proposal, which has no backing even from the EU, is a fatal mistake.

What is this bizarre narrative that we or even the Arabs or even  Hamas are the ones who can draw lines or define limitations here?

Can Ukraine do ANYTHING - despite having a fully functional and supplied military and actually being engaged in an active war with Russia - to "barter" for improved terms for any upcoming ceasefire deal? They sacrificed thousands of their best remaining troops desperately to try and take Kursk region off the Russians purely to give them this "line drawing" leverage that you speak of. That failed and they have no leverage at all.

Hamas have achieved zero tangible or sustained gains in this conflict that can be used as leverage by them or anyone on their behalf. They desperately cling onto a handful of hostages because that buys them a few days more of survival, but Tel Aviv doesn't even care if those hostages die. They will just blame Hamas and continue steamrolling through Gazan women and children.

The least bad outcome is to save lives and keep Gazans in Gaza with islamic countries' troops on watch. Yes, that is a capitulation, and does create a new and highly volatile tinderbox too, one which can set ablaze quickly if Mossad does what they do best and create a false flag, but the reality is that there are only two options - Trump's plan and genocide.

I fail to see how any other realistic option even exists.

 

[Taimoor]

Yes. And Blair and Pakistani troops main job will be suppressing groups like Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad etc. Israel failed to do this themselves so they have pivoted to hiring Muslims to do it.

When this rat Asim Muneer and his GHQ goon could supress anti Israel protest all over Pakistan, a nation of 220 million, they can easily achieve the same on a tiny gaza strip.

 

[Goenitz]

What is this bizarre narrative that we or even the Arabs or even  Hamas are the ones who can draw lines or define limitations here?

Can Ukraine do ANYTHING - despite having a fully functional and supplied military and actually being engaged in an active war with Russia - to "barter" for improved terms for any upcoming ceasefire deal? They sacrificed thousands of their best remaining troops desperately to try and take Kursk region off the Russians purely to give them this "line drawing" leverage that you speak of. That failed and they have no leverage at all.

Hamas have achieved zero tangible or sustained gains in this conflict that can be used as leverage by them or anyone on their behalf. They desperately cling onto a handful of hostages because that buys them a few days more of survival, but Tel Aviv doesn't even care if those hostages die. They will just blame Hamas and continue steamrolling through Gazan women and children.

The least bad outcome is to save lives and keep Gazans in Gaza with islamic countries' troops on watch. Yes, that is a capitulation, and does create a new and highly volatile tinderbox too, one which can set ablaze quickly if Mossad does what they do best and create a false flag, but the reality is that there are only two options - Trump's plan and genocide.

I fail to see how any other realistic option even exists.

Man, I agree with that. I meant as a moral and legal principle, where should we draw the line? Or just accept that power is the only rule. Doing so, should we bow down to India, TTP, BLA when necessary or fight? You know the answer. Should we give up Kashmir if we see a sure defeat?

Lastly, if power is the only rule and you accept Trump's plan, what is the guarantee that they would stop genocide? Will they abide by their own words? Why is our 17-seat PM is hurrying while Whitehouse is not getting wider support from EU? Do you think Blair heading that thing shows seriousness?

 

[Cash gk]

Qatar has said that out of the 20 points given by Trump, some need to be reviewed and cannot be accepted,
whereas our people accepted them immediately!

 

[Taimoor]

lol.. I don't want to post SSG photos with the "Jerusalem" milestone. That will be more embarrassing. SS is a joker. He can blame and hug Zardari at the same time.
That arrogant midget turned off Zainab's father's mic, used the police to beat the bakery guy, allowed extrajudicial killings, massacred women in Model Town, etc. A good CV for hellfire.

Here we go lol



They can put one among the ruins of Gaza.

 

[Cash gk]

 

[Goenitz]

Qatar has said that out of the 20 points given by Trump, some need to be reviewed and cannot be accepted,
whereas our people accepted them immediately!

too bad.. Asim used the political face of SS for that, and now ISPR-sponsored media can blame him like Asif Khawja when there is resistance.
SS even accepted the plan while BB was landing in the US.

 

[Master Chief]

Man, I agree with that. I meant as a moral and legal principle, where should we draw the line? Or just accept that power is the only rule. Doing so, should we bow down to India, TTP, BLA when necessary or fight? You know the answer. Should we give up Kashmir if we see a sure defeat?

Lastly, if power is the only rule and you accept Trump's plan, what is the guarantee that they would stop genocide? Will they abide by their own words? Why is our 17-seat PM is hurrying while Whitehouse is not getting wider support from EU? Do you think Blair heading that thing shows seriousness?

Very good points made by you and others on this thread, but I would argue that the analogy with Pakistan-Kashmir-India is contrived. To compare Pakistan's military capability to that of Gaza's is folly. We have leverage against India and the indians know this only too well - let us not derail further with this.

All the risks you mention are correct. And yet, I still cannot offer a less bad option. Maybe Pakistan can forcefully seek better terms? But I imagine we would have already tried that and been rebuffed.