Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

A1Kaid said:
"You do realize that no one can save Palestinians from Israel when US standing behind them right?"

This simply isn't true and that is the most frustrating part--a coalition of Muslim countries (especially US vassal/client states) willing to militarily fight Israel would force the US to reassess the situation, however there isn't strong leadership to rally these countries to act.

If Pakistan, Turkiye, Egypt, Saudi, Jordan, and other support were to fight Israel directly we would have a completely different deal on the table right now.

One far more favorable for a Palestine state.
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see you are not wrong but the point is do you really think that any of these countries would dare attack Israel ?
even if we say for argument sake that a alliance of Muslim countries indeed attack Israel, do you know what will happen ? that will unite the entire EU against the Middle East, and neo-nazi's will see this as a clash of civilization aka modern crusade, now are we really prepare to fight the EU and WEST? when we have enemies within? lets take Pakistan for example, all CIA has to do is spend few million dollars and we will have Pushtoonistan and Azad Balochistan, and worse part of it that it will be our own people cutting throats of rest of Pakistani's. So attacking or even thinking of Attacking Israel comes later first all Muslim countries need to strengthen their own countries, half of GCC countries are scared of their own people overthrowing their monarchies so these people will take strong decision? Like i said in Qatar attacked thread, If Israel can find/bomb Hamas leaders in Doha, they can take out Qatari Amir and PM if they wanted to, and bringing a new family in power, same with MBS... or Sisi or any other "King" of GCC.

Israel was/is/will be winning this conflict and they know it, Israel hold America and its political system by B@lls and they know it, Netanyahu knew what he will do with Gaza, and what will be the implications of it, he don't care... he know sanctions will come, protests and even some isolations and angry EU nations but he don't care nor does the Israeli's, because he knows that even if things go worse for Israel America will bail them out from any situation using its influence, now you remember a Israeli PM was shot and killed for trying to make peace with Palestinians ? If Israeli's think that their country is in danger they will kill their own PM, they did it in past... Netanyahu has gone too far with his Gaza Genocide and Israel deep state will keep using Netanyahu to a point when they will finally achieve some peace on Israel terms, and after Netanyahu Govt is gone the new Govt will say look it was that right wing crazy govt and alliance that did Genocide in Gaza, lets talk and talk about accepting Israel for which Arabs will all line up, and who will be the losers ? Palestinians and will Israeli apology bring back those families in Gaza ? or will Israel's any action remove trauma within those kids who lost everyone and everything? Nope... and lets be honest here that whether Pakistan was in the list of these countries that meet Trump or not won't matter, Pakistan didn't accept Israel and what did it matter to the world ? Nothing ZERO Ziltch... and Pakistan's and Pakistani opinion or any Muslim country's opinion on Gaza holds same value as my opinion on American political system...
 
Master Chief said:
Very good points made by you and others on this thread, but I would argue that the analogy with Pakistan-Kashmir-India is contrived. To compare Pakistan's military capability to that of Gaza's is folly. We have leverage against India and the indians know this only too well - let us not derail further with this.

All the risks you mention are correct. And yet, I still cannot offer a less bad option. Maybe Pakistan can forcefully seek better terms? But I imagine we would have already tried that and been rebuffed.
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I agree that apple and pineapple are not the same.

First of all Israel wants its hostages out of this deal.
Then it wants to defang Hamas through Muslim and ISF forces because the IDF failed.
Have you seen that Hamas is still attacking Israeli tanks and the army? These are not highlighted as such due to no news coverage from Gaza.
Israel, in return, bombs Gaza civilians in frustration.
I think Israel is getting tired, so it has taken such measures. No doubt it can massacre more civilians as the US keep supplying weapons and vetoing every resolution. However, the question is:
whether the US is serious or not. If serious, will there be a false flag to give an excuse for another bombing campaign? especially when Hamas's only hostage leverage is gone?
 
Goenitz said:
too bad.. Asim used the political face of SS for that, and now ISPR-sponsored media can blame him like Asif Khawja when there is resistance.
SS even accepted the plan while BB was landing in the US.
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Thats why I dont waste anytime on Shareefs and Zardaris, they are the "Chawani chors", the head of the snake lies within GHQ. Its not just this rat Asim, every bloody one before him have made deals with the devil for their petty personal interests sacrificing Pakistan and its citizens. I can assure you, Asim got the get of jail card from west for the all the anti-democratic actions, stealing of elections and mandate, human rights abuses , lawfare , even killings of Pakistani citizens... Those who dont have insight, will not understand but I call him agent of dajjal, can see through this mofo .
 
Meengla said:
Oh, I remember in the Gaza war thread so many getting giddy about the street protests, about boycotting the American products, about the ICC/ICJ rulings, about the UNGA votes, about Israel's 'image' getting hammered, about a few IDF soldiers dying here and there in Gaza....
Such 'tactical' brains! The reality was that Netanyahu didn't really care if the whole world would boycott Israel or he was not allowed into any country because he knew there was only one that really mattered: America!
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Netanyahu knew that he has entire US Political system in his pocket, hence he went against the so called liberal self proclaimed Zionist Biden, Biden for 1st year didn't even try to stop Israel because he knows that's not happening and all he has to do is to send 2-3 AC groups to scared Arabs, he didn't send USN to support Israel or threaten Iran, it was there for GCC countries because he knew that Israel will level Gaza, I have a former co-worker his mother is Jew/Zionist, she works as Contractor in Pentagon, he told me that after the oct 7th attack he talked to his mother and she told him, which he told me at work very casually that Gaza will become a Parking lot... mind you this is on 8th Oct, and Americans were fully onboard of what Israel is about to pull, and EU is just helpless in all of it, Russians don't care and China will just issue statements nothing more.

Pakistani's jumping as Imran khan would've shoot down F-35 with his bare hands or 1 Sq of J-10CE or JF can deter Israel Air force which consists of some of the most modern jets in the world, we brag about our 18 block 52's Israel has F-16's F-15's and F-35's yeah take that if you want to threaten them, not to mention their AD systems and entire US/UK military might which was protecting Israel, we saw in during Iran's 12 day war... Pakistan due to its own shortages can't even use baburs or Raad against India in May war, we were only firing F1 F2 rockets and SH15 Arti rounds. And lets be honest Pakistan don't matter in this conflict, yes we are doing some diplomacy here and there but reality is that only countries that matter in this conflict is America/Israel and GCC countries which practically laid down their arms and surrender, they can't even have Netanyahu to stick to his own statement and assure them that his forces will not attack them, he say one thing in America and completely opposite in when he goes to Israel, he plays Trump like a fool many times and despite how belligerent Trump is, and how he call out people who doesn't tow his line he can't do anything against Netanyahu, Lets be honest here for a second Israel is more Powerful than America, and Netanyahu is practically running the US president like a puppet just like he did with Biden and Obama and so on.
 
Taimoor said:
Thats why I dont waste anytime on Shareefs and Zardaris, they are the "Chawani chors", the head of the snake lies within GHQ. Its not just this rat Asim, every bloody one before him have made deals with the devil for their petty personal interests sacrificing Pakistan and its citizens. I can assure you, Asim got the get of jail card from west for the all the anti-democratic actions, stealing of elections and mandate, human rights abuses , lawfare , even killings of Pakistani citizens... Those who dont have insight, will not understand but I call him agent of dajjal, can see through this mofo .
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Sometimes I think Allah is allowing them to muster all the power, and then He will fail them in the end to show His power. That despite all their effort and resources, they failed. Anyway, He is not bound and has His own plans.
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see the tafseer of Yajal then how their plan got wasted in the end
 
Taimoor said:
Thats why I dont waste anytime on Shareefs and Zardaris, they are the "Chawani chors", the head of the snake lies within GHQ. Its not just this rat Asim, every bloody one before him have made deals with the devil for their petty personal interests sacrificing Pakistan and its citizens. I can assure you, Asim got the get of jail card from west for the all the anti-democratic actions, stealing of elections and mandate, human rights abuses , lawfare , even killings of Pakistani citizens... Those who dont have insight, will not understand but I call him agent of dajjal, can see through this mofo .
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Look in the last 3 years Pakistan has made the biggest progress in its diplomacy that I have seen in my lifetime. Some of this is unprecedented like the pact with SA.

Parties like PTI and PPP are completely and utterly incompetent. One runs Sindh like its their little kingdom in central africa and PTI the worst out of the lot, in KPK where the literacy rate went down since 2013. They record RPG attacks as a crime statistic. KPK is very mishandled.

Whatever this combo is with SS and AM, its working and we need to keep it going for as long as possible.
 
Distant_Observer said:
Look in the last 3 years Pakistan has made the biggest progress in its diplomacy that I have seen in my lifetime. Some of this is unprecedented like the pact with SA.

Parties like PTI and PPP are completely and utterly incompetent. One runs Sindh like its their little kingdom in central africa and PTI the worst out of the lot, in KPK where the literacy rate went down from 2013 to now.

Whatever this combo is with SS and AM, its working and we need to keep it going for as long as possible.
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No big deal, I remember people saying same about Musharraf and Shaukat Aziz. When Pakistani rulers become agents of the West, they are compensated with some money, fame and toys which leads to a sugar high and short term boom in the country's economy. Then inevitably when the army chief / PM duo runs into trouble and collapses, the economy goes bust.

These boom bust cycles have been observed repeatedly from Ayub till now.
 
Watandar said:
No big deal, I remember people saying same about Musharraf and Shaukat Aziz. When Pakistani rulers become agents of the West, they are compensated with some money
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In other words they have built up a rapport and a relationship with western countries.

What's the other option, the Iran experience?
 
Distant_Observer said:
In other words they have built up a rapport and a relationship with western countries.

What's the other option, the Iran experience?
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There are many other options like actually developing Pakistan's economy similar to China model or Korea model or even India model, but its beyond the capacity of lazy and corrupt elite. Renting the country out is all the elites know.

You are merely observing the beginning of another boom bust cycle with AM and SS. I admit their innovation of playing footsie with Zios means the boom phase in this particular cycle could last a bit longer.
 
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Watandar said:
There are many other options like actually developing Pakistan's economy
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Brother, that won't happen without international partners. Ask Africa and how it is now reeling under the current trade tariffs from USA on its export of catalytic converters to the US.

Just like no man is an Island, no nation can operate and thrive in a vacuum.
 
One thing is certain: the USA won't come to the KSA's aid when its security is breached....

Would Saudi Arabia and Pakistan defend each other in a war?​

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