Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[Goenitz]

Would you leave your homeland? Easier said than done. Even so, where would they go? Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon have said they will not accept Palestinians.

Thanx bro for the detailed response. I know that they won't for 2 reasons:
1. They (kings+dictators) don't want politically conscious refugees among their population.
2. They don't want Israel to annex more land (a more direct border with their countries) and divert its attention to their countries as new enemies.

So, then Israel gets what they wanted... They annex the strip... Also remember the first Nakba? What was all that struggle for then?

I know that is what I already explained in #3,156.

Except it really wont. If the deaths of 66,055 innocent civilians (conservative estimate) didn't move the world to make Israel "Face the music", if using water, food, rape, and displacement as a weapon of war, didn't move the world to action, if blowing up schools, hospitals, aid relief centres

Face the music means that israel is a fragile state like E.Pak, Taiwan, etc, among enemies. With the younger generation is anti-Israel, the US is declining, and a decrease in EU leverage, israel will come to its senses. So, perhaps patience is required.

EU nations are enablers in this war. Those RAF tankers flying out of Akrotiri and those Eurofighters running caps aren't there for sightseeing tours. Those Israeli transporters flying to and for Ramstein Air Base aren't collecting Twinkies and care packages.

I know, but their capacity is decreasing with the far right rise due to economic strain, which resulted from China/Russia tariffs and the Ukraine war.

So your solution is self-imposed exile?

In my opinion. handing over hostages with unarmed Haams and no tunnel networks, they will be waiting for tomorrow's genocide. So, it is better to leave the area than to accept that deal. You know israel wants to cleanse the area so why trust them and take the deal?

 

[Goenitz]

IK wanted a 2 state solution based on 1967 borders with Bait-ul-Muqaddas its capital. Not in today's conditions.

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[Master Chief]

Referring to Palestinians as people only but illegal foreign settlers & occupiers as Israel is despicable. This unelected regime in Pakistan does not represent Pakistani sentiments in any way.View attachment 150626

I have to agree that this is a poor statement. Evidently, pre-scripted and cringeworthy.

It is out of anyone's hands now anyway to influence further, other than Hamas and the Tel Aviv regime.

We have to wait and see, without being too overly emotive, as ultimately there is little any nation or body can do to alter Israel's chosen trajectory, at present. This calculus is in place because of hard military realities on the ground - Palestinians heroically "resist" but it is a resistance amidst abject ruin.

You may - quite rightly - envisage a stronger response from the Pakistani qom, however we have snakes to our east and west that are waiting for any opportunity to strike us down, and an overreach or overreaction in the middle east is just such an opportunity.

One may reflect on the last 30 years of history and actually ask some pertinent questions of middle eastern countries, including the Palestinians themselves and even Iran. Opportunities for an "islamic NATO" existed at several points in history, but were not taken advantage of. Now we are in a situation where Israel has no limits to what it can do to the Arab qom. Pakistan - throughout all of this - has had its own problems of an existential nature, for which no assistance - or even neutrality - ever came.

I also fear for the Palestinian qom and their rightful nation of Palestine, however, they may themselves decide that survival of their children is important in the face of rampant hordes who seek to exterminate them (the closest analogy one might draw is that of Hulagu Khan, the Mongol scourge, destroying Baghdad down to the last civilian), and then again, they may choose to resist. Whatever they choose, I wouldn't criticise either option at this moment in time.

 

[PakistanLVR]

Over 66,000 of their people have been killed, their lives destroyed, starved into submission.

the number is closer to 300k to 600k.

Stop using the J-controlled narrative numbers

 

[Cash gk]

the number is closer to 300k to 600k.

Stop using the J-controlled narrative numbers

My bad if I am wrong

 

[RealNapster]

Suppose the Government of Pakistan announces a decision to recognize Israel — what would be the public reaction to it? Would the people accept this decision?”

No reaction at all. Graves don't start revolutions, nations does.

 

[Cash gk]

I have to agree that this is a poor statement. Evidently, pre-scripted and cringeworthy.

It is out of anyone's hands now anyway to influence further, other than Hamas and the Tel Aviv regime.

We have to wait and see, without being too overly emotive, as ultimately there is little any nation or body can do to alter Israel's chosen trajectory, at present. This calculus is in place because of hard military realities on the ground - Palestinians heroically "resist" but it is a resistance amidst abject ruin.

You may - quite rightly - envisage a stronger response from the Pakistani qom, however we have snakes to our east and west that are waiting for any opportunity to strike us down, and an overreach or overreaction in the middle east is just such an opportunity.

One may reflect on the last 30 years of history and actually ask some pertinent questions of middle eastern countries, including the Palestinians themselves and even Iran. Opportunities for an "islamic NATO" existed at several points in history, but were not taken advantage of. Now we are in a situation where Israel has no limits to what it can do to the Arab qom. Pakistan - throughout all of this - has had its own problems of an existential nature, for which no assistance - or even neutrality - ever came.

I also fear for the Palestinian qom and their rightful nation of Palestine, however, they may themselves decide that survival of their children is important in the face of rampant hordes who seek to exterminate them (the closest analogy one might draw is that of Hulagu Khan, the Mongol scourge, destroying Baghdad down to the last civilian), and then again, they may choose to resist. Whatever they choose, I wouldn't criticise either option at this moment in time.

About the Palestinian nation, they will never surrender. They've been fighting this evil for 78 years.
Creating Muslim NATO it is the chance Muslim have now. It is once for centuries

 

[Cash gk]

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[Broghil]

I think that in current form this so called peace plan may not find much support in Muslim world. And Islamic world leaders may find it very very hard to defend this deal if they choose to support it without serious changes.

But at the same time I think whether it was always the original plan? Was this peace plan always meant to fail?

 

[PakFactor]

I have to agree that this is a poor statement. Evidently, pre-scripted and cringeworthy.

It is out of anyone's hands now anyway to influence further, other than Hamas and the Tel Aviv regime.

We have to wait and see, without being too overly emotive, as ultimately there is little any nation or body can do to alter Israel's chosen trajectory, at present. This calculus is in place because of hard military realities on the ground - Palestinians heroically "resist" but it is a resistance amidst abject ruin.

You may - quite rightly - envisage a stronger response from the Pakistani qom, however we have snakes to our east and west that are waiting for any opportunity to strike us down, and an overreach or overreaction in the middle east is just such an opportunity.

One may reflect on the last 30 years of history and actually ask some pertinent questions of middle eastern countries, including the Palestinians themselves and even Iran. Opportunities for an "islamic NATO" existed at several points in history, but were not taken advantage of. Now we are in a situation where Israel has no limits to what it can do to the Arab qom. Pakistan - throughout all of this - has had its own problems of an existential nature, for which no assistance - or even neutrality - ever came.

I also fear for the Palestinian qom and their rightful nation of Palestine, however, they may themselves decide that survival of their children is important in the face of rampant hordes who seek to exterminate them (the closest analogy one might draw is that of Hulagu Khan, the Mongol scourge, destroying Baghdad down to the last civilian), and then again, they may choose to resist. Whatever they choose, I wouldn't criticise either option at this moment in time.

The bold part is why I've not given much importance to this agreement, as we are limited in our outreach to external and internal factors.

 

[Distant_Observer]

One thing is certain India will never preemptively attack Pakistan again.

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[PK781]

anyone that thinks that the world is heading towards any sort of "peace" is delusional. Scholars, wise men are all indicating that we're heading towards malhama-tul-uzma/kubra (armagaeddon) etc or WW3. Many more flashpoints will ignite soon
Just a matter of time.

as for chacha trumpoo, the guy will START wars rather than finish any. He just fooling people. Any conflict that "pauses" is just temporary.....we have to be careful and see thru their lies and deceptions

 

[Broghil]

One thing is certain India will never preemptively attack Pakistan again.

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I am not so sure. They have made themselves a captive of their own narrative. Now in future either they can not blame some incident on Pak but if they do then their public would compare it with past.
But in this vicious cycle Pakistan is also bound to respond. If our Govt had not responded in May 2025 everybody would have said that in 2019 there was IK but now we have some spineless Govt. And this goes on for the future I think.

 

[NaqsheYaar]

anyone that thinks that the world is heading towards any sort of "peace" is delusional. Scholars, wise men are all indicating that we're heading towards malhama-tul-uzma/kubra (armagaeddon) etc or WW3. Many more flashpoints will ignite soon
Just a matter of time.

as for chacha trumpoo, the guy will START wars rather than finish any. He just fooling people. Any conflict that "pauses" is just temporary.....we have to be careful and see thru their lies and deceptions

Agreed, according to 'Buzurgs', Israel won't stop from here on, this peace plan would be shattered to pieces in the coming days, and sadly Muslims can't do anything about it..

We will see a much wider bloodshed in Gaza now.