Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Shafagh]

It seems that Iranian government is not ready for the possibility of Total War. Why is this so? Did they think surrendering would spare them from war? Fight like a man, people.

There is no consensus. I have a feeling there is political gridlock and the SNSC doesn't know what to do. I am sure some in IRGC are waiting like pit bulls, ready to be taken off the leash, while reformists and more cooler heads want to stall and negotiate. Nobody really has a long term plan.

They don't have qualified academics and foreign policy experts advising them.

 

[kastor ville]

I think at this point, only satellite phones with built-in encryption could keep our authorities safe. Russia and China can probably help with that, although personally I would never trust the Russians. Also, they should force their family members to completely stop using the internet and get rid of their smart phones. Tough pill to swallow for their sons and daughters who are addicted to the internet like all of us.

At least the only good thing is that this is the first time that the Iranian authorities are living in a difficult situation like the rest of the people. It was always the Iranians that paid the price of their stupidity, not they're paying the price too.


They should get rid of all smart phones. Android, iOS or anything else.
Old satellite phones with built-in encryption is the only way to go, I think.

I don't want to sound crazy...but it's not just about cell phones and wifi..etc. if you use a land line they can hack into the land lines servers...because they're digital as well, and you can use software to record and capture voice calls, and even identify voices...this the kind of stuff Snowden warned about. They really need 21st century consultants to help them...if I was king for one day, I'd overhaul the entire security apparatus. They need to build a hardend facility many levels underground with many enternaces/exits. They need a people mover of sorts underground to let high value personnel be ferried in and out without detection. These things are the ABCs of war planning.
While on the subject, I read they will enact road blocks and security check points....my God this is so important and valuable to cut down on operatives moving freely around our cities and defences. We also need cameras set up around the main roads and throughfares to record licence plates and perhaps faces. Lastly all areas around defence bases need to be closed and then monitored for suspicious activity. Anyone remember the video of the ahole racing and then clearly showing the air defence installation in the background? We need to capture these guys before they can strike.

 

[ShapurII]

I don't want to sound crazy...but it's not just about cell phones and wifi..etc. if you use a land line they can hack into the land lines servers...because they're digital as well, and you can use software to record and capture voice calls, and even identify voices...this the kind of stuff Snowden warned about.

Yes, but they'll need physical access to those servers if they're air-gapped. So, unless their agents on the ground in Iran would do that for them, it's off-limits.

Our national infrastructure should run on a national intranet. This was the initial plan when they talked about "Internet-e Melli". It never materialized and the only part that was materialized was for suppressing people's freedom in Aban 98 and Mahsa Amini protests.

On a side note, I remember a news that was posted on PDF as well that talked about China installing fake BTS towers (IMSI catchers) in major Turkish cities to perform a man in the middle attack and eavesdrop on Uyghur nationals in Turkey. It turns out that old mobile antennas have very weak authentication protocols. So, basically, any new antenna can be registered on the network and it could very well be malicious.

If China can do that, what makes us think that the Americans and Israelis can't do that? If you have enough of these fake BTS stations, you can even accurately track locations of your people of interest.

 

[StrategicBear]

2nd Round seems about to start days from now. If I were IRGC commanders I'll do preemptive strikes to strike when all their forces are still not in place. Seize the strategic initiative and never let up until inflict unimaginable casualties on their militaries.

 

[ShapurII]

The Trump administration is deporting Iranian-Americans again, even those that are legally staying there. In fact, particularly those that are staying there legally.

I kind of love this. These are the same pro-US fools who love to brag about how they live comfortably in the US and how the US system does not discriminate and blah blah blah. Now they're being detained in cesspools that stink of pee and shit, terrible prison food and indefinite confinement.

 

[OldTwilight]

There is no consensus. I have a feeling there is political gridlock and the SNSC doesn't know what to do. I am sure some in IRGC are waiting like pit bulls, ready to be taken off the leash, while reformists and more cooler heads want to stall and negotiate. Nobody really has a long term plan.

They don't have qualified academics and foreign policy experts advising them.

the power gap between us and USA is too much ... and the enemy is going to use it , so they don't now what is the best course of action, it's just understandable ... if it was Zions alone , it was easy , but for sure USA will be involved directly...

if we had strategical nukes and tactical nukes , I would suggest to target usa main land , white house , Pentagon, their oil refinery , their ports with tactical nukes and the proceed to use strategical nukes if they keep on fighting .

but IR and the west 5th column disarmed us ....


This possibility is only thing that can prevent USA from starting war and keep peace.

 

[FUB]

You can say whatever you want, sink deeper into your delusions or what else, but Arabs are quite happy and satisfied with the status quo and are willingly and voluntarily complying with the US policies in the region.
Unlike the Islamic Republic, they do not face an existential threat from the US at the moment or foreseeable future. Even now that an anomaly like Trump is in power, Arabs are quite happy with the situation. Only losers like the Islamic Republic supporters who have lost decades fighting an unwinnable cause that does not even concern us (Palestine) have such delusions about the Arab-US relations.

You seem not to grasp what is going on. Those losers that support the IR died by the thousands defending Iran from the empire’s first attempt to partition Iran.

What has happened since the birth of IR? Sanctions, assassinations, multiple attempts at color revolution, the 12 day war and now we will witness a major air campaign which will destroy Iran’s infrastructure.

Jordan is a bankrupt fake country and they are paid $1.5 billion in US aid . So no they don’t voluntarily aid Israel . Egypt is a bankrupt country that is also receiving massive aid .
The fake countries of the Persian Gulf just paid Trump bribes to the tune of two trillion dollars . You think they are voluntarily aiding Israel ?
Maybe if these idiots would have layed low and not chanted their stupid death to America chants they would not be facing war today that is a big maybe.

Look at Russia . They are in the same exact situation fighting an existential war that they must win . They tried everything what happened? They have been fighting NATO for three years and for the foreseeable future .

If Iran falls , Pakistan and Turkey are next You really think Israel is going to allow the Saudis, UAE , and Qatar to stay status quo? They will turn them into a failed states like Lebanon and Syria .
The only difference between Gaza and Qatar is that they don’t border Israel.
They are the cow that is being milked by the US . Once they are done , they will bomb them back to their mud huts .

If they are able to place Reza Pahlavi in Iran, he will be like Chalabi. One and done . Look at Iraq , Lybia and Syria. That is the M O . Partioned vassal failed states .
They will not roll out the red carpet for you and say you can board the Yatch Mr Persian .
Those losers that are followers of the IR are the only hope we have of Iran not being partioned .
Soleimani was smart enough to scuttle their plans . By setting up the Arab militias he took the war away from Iran’s borders. Let’s say Iran would have spent $50 or $100 billion in the Air Force . Who would have sold us the fighters ?
Do you think Israel would stood by idle and watch Iran buy arms and get armed ?

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[Khansaheeb]

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[Cash gk]

What are the updates of Jet fighters getting from China and Russia? I haven’t been here on this discussion for a while.

 

[Lulldapull]

The Qatar apology was about ensuring unrestricted access to Qatar as a base to use in the coming war against Iran. All the planes are moving into Al Udeid

Many sources now say there was no apology. Would you apologize to your servant?

 

[Lulldapull]

What are the updates of Jet fighters getting from China and Russia? I haven’t been here on this discussion for a while.

Nobody using jets anymore bro.......Trump sahb just approved 1000 rounds of 109E tube launched Tomahawk cruise missiles for Zalintsky.

 

[ShapurII]

You seem not to grasp what is going on. Those losers that support the IR died by the thousands defending Iran from the empire’s first attempt to partition Iran.

What has happened since the birth of IR? Sanctions, assassinations, multiple attempts at color revolution, the 12 day war and now we will witness a major air campaign which will destroy Iran’s infrastructure.

Jordan is a bankrupt fake country and they are paid $1.5 billion in US aid . So no they don’t voluntarily aid Israel . Egypt is a bankrupt country that is also receiving massive aid .
The fake countries of the Persian Gulf just paid Trump bribes to the tune of two trillion dollars . You think they are voluntarily aiding Israel ?
Maybe if these idiots would have layed low and not chanted their stupid death to America chants they would not be facing war today that is a big maybe.

Look at Russia . They are in the same exact situation fighting an existential war that they must win . They tried everything what happened? They have been fighting NATO for three years and for the foreseeable future .

If Iran falls , Pakistan and Turkey are next You really think Israel is going to allow the Saudis, UAE , and Qatar to stay status quo? They will turn them into a failed states like Lebanon and Syria .
The only difference between Gaza and Qatar is that they don’t border Israel.
They are the cow that is being milked by the US . Once they are done , they will bomb them back to their mud huts .

If they are able to place Reza Pahlavi in Iran, he will be like Chalabi. One and done . Look at Iraq , Lybia and Syria. That is the M O . Partioned vassal failed states .
They will not roll out the red carpet for you and say you can board the Yatch Mr Persian .
Those losers that are followers of the IR are the only hope we have of Iran not being partioned .
Soleimani was smart enough to scuttle their plans . By setting up the Arab militias he took the war away from Iran’s borders. Let’s say Iran would have spent $50 or $100 billion in the Air Force . Who would have sold us the fighters ?
Do you think Israel would stood by idle and watch Iran buy arms and get armed ?

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This shows why people like you with your ideas are dangerous for Iran. You guys live in an insane level of delusions that you compare yourselves to countries like Russia. You think Russia is in the same situation as Iran. That's borderline insanity.

Russia is a permanent member of the UN Security Council. It has over 5,000 nuclear warheads, some of them are +10 megaton nukes that can destroy an entire megacity in the blink of an eye. It has over 1,000 operational jet fighters left and it has had nuclear triad for decades. Russia has 1.2 million active personnel and 2 million reserved personnel. An average Russian soldier is paid $2,300 dollars per month, unlike the Iranian army and IRGC whose monthly salary is not even $500 anymore. If you think Russia faces the same existential threat like Iran, all I can say is that you're clueless. Most importantly, Russians are not ruled by a bunch of stupid theocrats. Russia is part of the current world order and you're comparing them with a bunch of stupid Ayatollahs who have isolated Iran to the point that we're now completely cornered and encircled by our enemies and have brought Iran's economy to the point of collapse. Russia thinks nothing of you guys more than a bunch of delusional clowns and it has been proven to be true times and times again, most recently 3 months ago.

As for the losers who support the IR, even if they die by the thousands, they can't claim to be the victim because it has been their delusions that has made us reach this point but unfortunately, a lot of people who didn't support the IR policies died in the war as well. People who saw this day coming and warned about it many times but nobody listened to them and they were called traitors. These are the real victims. You guys are in no position to play the victim now. You have to man up and accept responsibility for your actions.

USAID has nothing to do with a country being bankrupt. Israel receives USAID as well. If anything, it shows that Jordan understands how to secure their national interests. They are receiving money from the US and you are getting bombed and sanctioned.
You know what country is truly bankrupt? Iran. Our currency is constantly losing its value by 30%-50% each year. Minimal wage in Iran is $130 which is even less than the latest poverty line by the UN for a family of 2. We have to sell gasoline at 2 cents per liter, even though its distribution is more expensive, or else people will revolt and the system has too many problems to deal with a new rebellion. This is what real bankruptcy looks like. We're printing money to just buy time endlessly.

Yes, they are voluntarily aiding Israel because they are enjoying what is happening to Iran as their main enemy in the region. Contrary to what you delusional fools think, Arabs consider Iran to be their real enemy, not Israel.

The IR is already a failed vassal state. You guys are literally one vote away from becoming Iraq. You have to constantly pay ransom to Russia and China to keep you in power for a few more months while Iranians are leaving the country in large numbers. Electricity cuts, water cuts, poverty, isolation, failure to attract foreign investments, failure to be part of international corridors, uncontrolled inflation, terrorism in Kurdistan and Baluchistan, and you think you're not a failed state lol

China was willing to sell Iran jet fighters, even Russia was willing to sell Iran jet fighters. Khatami purchased Mig-29s and RD-33 engines from Russia. Arab militias did nothing for Iran during the 12-day battle. It was clear as day. Netanyahu said it very loudly and clearly. He said that they had planned for this for 20 years. They let Iran weaken itself, isolate itself from the world, bring its economy to the point of collapse and waited for the IRIAF to die without spare parts, falling behind technology. The only anomaly during this time was Ahmadinejad who had the courage to make bold moves, but the regime itself sidelined him. Soleimani was a good militarist for the IRGC, he increased the influence of the IRGC in the region, but Iran's foreign policy as a whole has been wrong for decades.

 

[ShapurII]

سخنگوی دولت: درخواست ایران برای نشست با سه کشور اروپایی و ویتکاف در نیویورک رد شد / ابتدا موضوع بر این بود که راجع به ذخایر ۶۰ درصد در مقابل اسنپ بک صحبت شود، حذف کامل اسنپ بک تقاضای ایران بود که آنها نپذیرفتند / در آخرین شب پیشنهاد ۴۵ روز تعویق مکانیسم ماشه از طرف ایران مطرح شد که مورد پذیرش قرار نگرفت

سخنگوی دولت: درخواست ایران برای نشست با سه کشور اروپایی و ویتکاف در نیویورک رد شد / ابتدا موضوع بر این بود که راجع به ذخایر ۶۰ درصد در مقابل اسنپ بک صحبت شود، حذف کامل اسنپ بک تقاضای ایران بود که آنها نپذیرفتند / در آخرین شب پیشنهاد ۴۵ روز تعویق مکان

خنگوی دولت فاطمه مهاجرانی امروز چهارشنبه هشتم مهرماه در حاشیه جلسه هیات دولت بیان کرد: در جلسه هیات دولت گزارش وزیر خارجه را از سفر به نیویورک داشتیم، ایران اعلام آمادگی کرد با سه کشور اروپایی و آژانس و ویتکاف جلسه داشته باشد ولی قبول نکردند یا در جلسات حضور پیدا نکردند.

www.entekhab.ir

Translation:
Government Spokesperson: Iran's request for a meeting with the three European countries and Witkoff in New York was rejected. Initially, the topic was to discuss Iran's 60% enriched uranium stockpile in exchange for the snapback mechanism. Iran's demand was the complete removal of the snapback provision, which they did not accept. On the final night, Iran proposed a 45-day delay of the snapback mechanism, but that was also rejected.

See? This is who you guys are. A bunch of losers that had to beg your enemy to just delay the snapback mechanism for 45 days after getting bombed, humiliated and rejected by them.
@FUB

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

سخنگوی دولت: درخواست ایران برای نشست با سه کشور اروپایی و ویتکاف در نیویورک رد شد / ابتدا موضوع بر این بود که راجع به ذخایر ۶۰ درصد در مقابل اسنپ بک صحبت شود، حذف کامل اسنپ بک تقاضای ایران بود که آنها نپذیرفتند / در آخرین شب پیشنهاد ۴۵ روز تعویق مکانیسم ماشه از طرف ایران مطرح شد که مورد پذیرش قرار نگرفت

سخنگوی دولت: درخواست ایران برای نشست با سه کشور اروپایی و ویتکاف در نیویورک رد شد / ابتدا موضوع بر این بود که راجع به ذخایر ۶۰ درصد در مقابل اسنپ بک صحبت شود، حذف کامل اسنپ بک تقاضای ایران بود که آنها نپذیرفتند / در آخرین شب پیشنهاد ۴۵ روز تعویق مکان

خنگوی دولت فاطمه مهاجرانی امروز چهارشنبه هشتم مهرماه در حاشیه جلسه هیات دولت بیان کرد: در جلسه هیات دولت گزارش وزیر خارجه را از سفر به نیویورک داشتیم، ایران اعلام آمادگی کرد با سه کشور اروپایی و آژانس و ویتکاف جلسه داشته باشد ولی قبول نکردند یا در جلسات حضور پیدا نکردند.

www.entekhab.ir

Translation:
Government Spokesperson: Iran's request for a meeting with the three European countries and Witkoff in New York was rejected. Initially, the topic was to discuss Iran's 60% enriched uranium stockpile in exchange for the snapback mechanism. Iran's demand was the complete removal of the snapback provision, which they did not accept. On the final night, Iran proposed a 45-day delay of the snapback mechanism, but that was also rejected.

See? This is who you guys are. A bunch of losers that had to beg your enemy to just delay the snapback mechanism for 45 days after getting bombed, humiliated and rejected by them.
@FUB

Professor Marandi explained that Iran is doing this with the purpose to show pro-west crowd inside Iran that the love is not mutual.

 

[ShapurII]

Professor Marandi explained that Iran is doing this with the purpose to show pro-west crowd inside Iran that the love is not mutual.

Professor Marandi is a known propagandist. He's no better than Salami at this point.
He's the same guy that claimed Israel was too small to dare to attack Iran. The same guy who said Israel would be destroyed after TP3, blah blah blah.

The regime is clearly begging the Europeans and Trump for a deal to stay in power a few more months. What do you think will happen after Iran gives them our 60% uranium stockpile? Same thing that happened to Saddam, Libya and Syria.