Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

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[Areesh]

While claiming 12 PAF aircrafts in the same breath

Point valid on Pakistan not having shown any satellite imageries -- Pakistan needs to come up with own proofs other than self admissions by Indian side.

However, Chief shb is only making an ass of himself now - with so many twists and turns in the whole narrative since beginning.

So now, Chief sahb says not a single thing fell on our bases and nothing was hit - while not very long ago - he was heard saying "2-4 weapon unkay usi jaga pe lagay jahan S400 tha".

Did somebody make a mistake in both Hindi and English in the written script that was being read and broadcast live by Ms. Vyomika and Col Sofia?

So it's still a refusal to share aircraft numbers - nobody is claiming 15 aircrafts like he is claiming 12 out of their imagination.

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India's low IQ janta is a blessing for Modi and guys like IAF air chief

No critical questions. No analysis

Just vibes and chill

 

[Baibers_1260]

Better to accept now that Pakistan's ultimate destiny is that of existential war with Hindutva.

Hindutva trolls and their "secular" gatekeepers will giggle at such sentiments, guaranteed. But, my friends, that is the tell-tale laugh of someone who cannot hide the insidious truth within

The revelation of the ex-Pakistani Hindu from Umarkot is even more shocking because there was no evidence of Hindutva in 1971. The Indian Army was then claiming a secular "liberation war" with Muslim Bengali allies in the then East Pakistan. The truth on the western front war belies this claim,
This is not the only video about massacres of Indian Muslims in the border villages . India wanted a Muslim free border area and massacred the Muslims who had co-existed peacefully with their Hindu brethren for centuries.
Remarkably the Pakistani Hindus did not report retaliatory massacres or ethnic cleansing by the Pakistani Army in the adjoining border areas. There are large Hindu populations residing peacefully today .
If that was the situation back then the danger to our population from a nuclear armed fascist Hindutva regime far more powerful than what it was in 1971 is obvious.

 

[Master Chief]

The revelation of the ex-Pakistani Hindu from Umarkot is even more shocking because there was no evidence of Hindutva in 1971. The Indian Army was then claiming a secular "liberation war" with Muslim Bengali allies in the then East Pakistan. The truth on the western front war belies this claim,
This is not the only video about massacres of Indian Muslims in the border villages . India wanted a Muslim free border area and massacred the Muslims who had co-existed peacefully with their Hindu brethren for centuries.
Remarkably the Pakistani Hindus did not report retaliatory massacres or ethnic cleansing by the Pakistani Army in the adjoining border areas. There are large Hindu populations residing peacefully today .
If that was the situation back then the danger to our population from a nuclear armed fascist Hindutva regime far more powerful than what it was in 1971 is obvious.

We should be under no illusions with regards to the future of the subcontinent. We cannot feign "surprise" and "shock" every time they attack or provoke us. Nothing should be "unprecedented" or "catching us off guard".

This is particularly apt as the pre-Trumpian "globalised" world order has already collapsed. It's a jungle out there.

 

[Serendipity]

The real question is why are they escalating rhetoric all of a sudden. Especially when they have really suffered defeatat every stage on the diplomatic front. Is it propaganda to boost the sense of dignity of nationalists or are they trying to lay the groundwork for another aggression.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

The real question is why are they escalating rhetoric all of a sudden. Especially when they have really suffered defeatat every stage on the diplomatic front. Is it propaganda to boost the sense of dignity of nationalists or are they trying to lay the groundwork for another aggression.

between the lines struggle goes on Kashmir and Baloch.

 

[Master Chief]

The real question is why are they escalating rhetoric all of a sudden. Especially when they have really suffered defeatat every stage on the diplomatic front. Is it propaganda to boost the sense of dignity of nationalists or are they trying to lay the groundwork for another aggression.

It is the former.

They have used cricket, cinema, media, and baseless rants from military officials to spin a "victory" from the defeat in the May conflict. Let them. No harm done to us from their constant barking.

The have no guts whatsoever for another hot engagement this year.

We must use this time wisely to prepare for missile attacks, which will be the nature of the next conflict.

 

[Taimoor]

The major mistake Pakistan did was we only attacked Air Bases we should have hit their Police Stations, military installations, intelligence agencies offices and other such targets inside their major cities. Like Delhi, Mumbai, Banglaore, Goa, Ahemdabad, Jaipur, Chandigarh, Surat, Pune, Nagpur, Kanpur, Hyderabad, Chennai and others should have been bombed. When Indians will city whole buildings getting blown up in front of them only than they would stop asking for proof.

The major issue is the bloody boomers in our military who are stuck in their ancient thought process. I highlight this, just before the hostiles started that they should be prepared to manage the narrative post conflict, singling out the capability to capture the impacts and destruction inside India to use it later for narrative shaping. But no, nothing was done. We are where we are, now relying on Indian citizens social media feeds to show what we did. Its rather pathetic tbh.

 

[Ali_Baba]

The real question is why are they escalating rhetoric all of a sudden. Especially when they have really suffered defeatat every stage on the diplomatic front. Is it propaganda to boost the sense of dignity of nationalists or are they trying to lay the groundwork for another aggression.

I wouldn't discount the possibility that India wants to try and have another go at Pakistan to "even" the score, etc. The Indian's did not perform as well as they had hoped they would, and the loss of 7 fighter jets stings very very hard.

The problem India has, that for any domain that India tries to go against Pakistan, be it Naval, or even Army, the Pakistan air force will get involved and exact its pound of flesh from India. India can have the first blow, but it cannot control the escalation ladder and Pakistan's response right now. India has no answer for the multi-domain war concept of Pakistan, and it will take a few years before it can develop its own equivalent system and by then PAF will have moved onto more capable technologies, concepts and platforms.

The Indians are stuck right now, because of their air forces poor technological capabilities, so they are venting a lot right now, but they really know they don't have much in the way of answers right now.

 

[Serendipity]

It is the former.

They have used cricket, cinema, media, and baseless rants from military officials to spin a "victory" from the defeat in the May conflict. Let them. No harm done to us from their constant barking.

The have no guts whatsoever for another hot engagement this year.

We must use this time wisely to prepare for missile attacks, which will be the nature of the next conflict.

Wise words. And integrating leverage from the new strategic gains will require a fair bit of planning as well.

 

[Serendipity]

I wouldn't discount the possibility that India wants to try and have another go at Pakistan to "even" the score, etc. The Indian's did not perform as well as they had hoped they would, and the loss of 7 fighter jets stings very very hard.

The problem India has, that for any domain that India tries to go against Pakistan, be it Naval, or even Army, the Pakistan air force will get involved and exact its pound of flesh from India. India can have the first blow, but it cannot control the escalation ladder and Pakistan's response right now. India has no answer for the multi-domain war concept of Pakistan, and it will take a few years before it can develop its own equivalent system and by then PAF will have moved onto more capable technologies, concepts and platforms.

The Indians are stuck right now, because of their air forces poor technological capabilities, so they are venting a lot right now, but they really know they don't have much in the way of answers right now.

Pretty fair and balanced overview. But with internal markets set to take several blows, including the labor market, there is a nagging concern that the regime will pull a stunt for self preservation regardless of the air domain asymmetry. This will also mean a tendency to escalate very rapidly. Hopefully I am wrong.

 

[r3alist]

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[r3alist]

This is a bit like the schrodinger's cat thought experiment? right? If no evidence is provided of a claim, then did it really happen or not ?

IAF Seems to be using internet explorer.

No matter what you try you will not change the truth, the world know you lost and no matter how hard you try to convince the world, your own people are not believing your lies.

They're trying to make the entire events questionable whilst declaring the operation a huge victory


Paf or some spokesman should demand an inventory count, neutral and in the open

Remember, globally air forces will work out what is what, and this will pay dividends for the paf


That may well be the best barometer going forward, can the iaf insist that globally air forces adopt their narrative only

 

[Distant_Observer]

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History will remember them as a military failure.

 

[Vital]

IAF chief is suffering from verbal diarrhea these days. His eyes tell his state of mind. Lol