unconventional
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Lebanese Hezbollah did more for Gaza than what the Palestinians in the West Bank, Israel (Israeli Arabs) and Jordan did for their Palestinian brothers/sisters in Gaza.
Think about that.
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Israel Genocide in Gaza - 2023 to present - Part ll
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Think about that.
Master Chief
Trusted Member
Excellent post.
Israeli diplomacy is NOT "absent". It is well funded and omnipresent, thousands of $$ per post in some cases! The article is a simple effort at narrative control, brainwashing.
It has simply failed to win the European street because of all the available evidence of a genocide being committed in Tel Aviv's name. Tel Aviv's lies stand fully exposed thanks to the martyrdom of many civilians and resistance fighters in Gaza who made sure to document what they witnessed.
Quran 17:81: "And declare, 'The truth has come, and falsehood has perished. Indeed, falsehood is bound to perish.'".
Hassan Al-Somal
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️ #Israel: 1150 Killed in the Ranks of the Army and Security Forces Since October 7, and 80 Thousand Wounded by Hostile Acts
️ Hebrew Channel 12 reported, citing the Israeli Ministry of Army, that the number of killed soldiers and security forces since October 7, 2023, reached 1150 killed, including 1035 soldiers, during operations in the #Gaza Strip, Lebanon, and the West Bank.️ The numbers include those killed during the initial attack by the Hamas movement, the subsequent Gaza war, and the confrontations on the northern front with "Hezbollah."️ In a separate context, the Israeli National Insurance Institution revealed that 978 Israeli civilians were killed since the October 7 attack, and approximately 80 thousand Israelis were classified as wounded by "hostile acts," including about 30 thousand suffering from psychological disorders resulting from the war and attacks.If we subtract the 30 thousand suffering from psychological disorders from the 80 thousand wounded, that leaves 50,000 who are wounded in the war.
Now, the ratio between their KIA vs WIA is 1:44. That means, for every soldier that was killed in action, the IOF suffered 44 wounded.
Let us compare it with the US military's KIA vs WIA ratio in Iraq and Afghanistan: 1:8. (https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1152685/kia-to-wia-ratio)
And that would let us to conclude Israel's WIA ratio (44) is 5.5 times larger that of the US (8). Furthermore, IOF's casualty reporting does not conform to any existing KIA vs WIA in any military conflict. It does seem the KIA numbers have been purposely counted down.
IOF ==> Israeli Occupation Forces
KIA ==> Killed in action
WIA ==> Wounded in action
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Hassan Al-Somal
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️ Human Rights Watch: #Trump's plan is insufficient.. Atrocities in #Gaza must stop and accountability for crimes is needed️ Human Rights Watch urged all countries today to take urgent action to stop the ongoing atrocities against civilians in the Gaza Strip, noting that U.S. President Donald Trump's plan does not directly address human rights issues or accountability for crimes committed since October 7, 2023.️ The organization stated: "Israeli forces have killed tens of thousands of Palestinians, the vast majority of whom are civilians, including the annihilation of entire families," warning that Israel has used starvation as a weapon of war, causing a systematic famine.️ It added that the Israeli military has forcibly displaced nearly all residents repeatedly, in blatant violation of international humanitarian law.️ Human Rights Watch called on the international community to "ensure justice is achieved, impose a comprehensive ban on arms sales to Israel, and support independent international investigation mechanisms."Hassan Al-Somal
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Hassan Al-Somal
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Hassan Al-Somal
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️ #Iran supports "stopping the killing in Gaza" but warns of the dangerous dimensions of #Trump's plan️ The spokesperson for the Iranian Foreign Ministry, Ismail Baghaei, confirmed on Monday that Tehran welcomes any initiative aimed at stopping the killing in the Gaza Strip, pointing to Iran’s support for any international effort that leads to an immediate ceasefire.️ However, Baghaei warned that the plan of U.S. President Donald Trump carries dangerous dimensions, which could be used to justify the continuation of Israeli hegemony or to impose solutions that do not reflect the will of the Palestinian people.️ He emphasized that any decision regarding this plan is exclusively for the Palestinian people and their leadership, stating: "No settlement can be imposed from the outside, and a just solution will only be achieved through full recognition of the rights of the Palestinians, including their right to self-determination and the establishment of their independent state."️ He added that Israel may work to obstruct any real progress toward peace if genuine pressures are not imposed on it, calling on the international community to act responsibly to prevent the recurrence of violations.Hassan Al-Somal
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️ Qatari Foreign Ministry: The Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs received a call from the Foreign Minister of #Turkey, and they discussed regional developments, and affirmed Doha’s commitment to supporting the end of the war in #Gaza.
_Arabia_
Trusted Member
KSA just made a fully indigenous laptop computer.
KSA/GCC (mostly KSA and UAE) are leading in the Muslim world in several scientific fields, most notably AI. KSA also has the best scientific ranks (most scientific papers per capita, highest scientific growth, most public investments going into STEM) in the Muslim world compared to per capital (population size) and the best ranked universities in the Muslim world.
The rise of Saudi Arabia as a science powerhouse
Oil fuels Saudi Arabia’s rise as a regional science powerhouse.
www.natureasia.com
This was 10 years ago, you can imagine the situation today.
That is why the GCC is also the wealthiest, most stable and most prosperous region of the Muslim world but many so-called Muslims want Arabia to resemble their own failed/war-torn nations out of spite, inferiority complexes and in certain cases outright hatred.
Even though no country (KSA) or people (Saudi Arabian mujahideen participated in the 1000's (more than any other Muslim people per capita) in every single conflict where Muslims were harmed in support of Muslim cases has helped Muslim communities (in the West and in the Muslim world) financially, religiously or militarily or through personal sacrifice more.
Even though I am totally against Hezbollah (the leadership that is which are Iranian implants advancing an alien Iranian regime agenda in the Arab world and in this case Southern Lebanon), even Saudi Arabian Shias have fallen in the ranks of Hezbollah against Israel.
First Saudi killed ’fighting for Hezbollah’ against Israel
Saudi national Omran Karim was killed in an Israeli attack on Lebanon while reportedly fighting with Hezbollah.
This is not about who is better or has done more, those are just pure verifiable facts on the ground, yet for some twisted/strange reason, KSA/Saudi Arabians are constantly attacked by supposed "Muslims" even though 99.9% of ordinary Saudi Arabians support Palestine and Palestinians 100% as very survey can confirm, even those posted by Israeli/Western media.
Yet a strange segment of Muslims want to create an alternative reality and somehow blame this entire conflict and whatever happens in the Muslim world on KSA constantly. It is unhinged behavior and quite frankly psychotic.
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As for this thread, I am not sure why people are talking about KSA. KSA has nothing to do with either Israeli, US or Hamas policies. KSA is the country that has financially supported Palestine and Palestinians that most and is also the country in the region that host the largest Palestinian community that is also (since forever) getting preferential treatment over other expat/foreign communities. KSA caused the most economic/political harm against the US/West during the conflict in the 1970's as well (oil embargo). To this day KSA has not recognized nor had any economic or military ties with Israel (as one of the few Muslim nations that never had any such ties with Israel from the very beginning until 2025), even though KSA could gain the most from such a relationship economically, politically and militarily.
Also there is no "axis of resistance". The so-called "axis of resistance" (Iranian terrorist proxies) is only about keeping Iranian regime interests in the region intact but that failed, bloody, sectarian etc. project has spectacularly failed after the liberation of Syria, setbacks in Iraq and failed control of 80% of Yemen.
Iran did not fire a single missile at Israel UNTIL Israel attacked them repeatedly. Same with Hezbollah. They are not in it for Hamas/Gaza/Palestine despite 40 + years of propaganda and using this as an excuse to mass-murder Syrians for 10 + years.
On the other hand, KSA/Arab states have not had such a false and pathetic rhetoric ever but we have always been very clear. Two-state solution with pre-1967 borders.
Hence the Arab Peace Initiate (Saudi Arabian made) that both Hamas, Fatah, all main Palestinian factions and ALL Arab states support. In fact I would guess all main Muslim nations.
Arab Peace Initiative - Wikipedia
Nobody from this front (regimes) has made any unrealistic or bombastic claims. Since Israel is a reality in the region and not going away (most importantly it is mostly an ethnically Arab Jewish state anyway - 20% Palestinian/Bedouin Arab + majority of Israeli Jews are Arab Jews or partial Arab Jews), peace (if a two-state solution is established and some form of peace can prevail) it is better/preferable for the people of the region and region as a whole to have at least peaceful ties and preferably mutually beneficial ties.
Now whether or not October 7th was a good idea or not, is not for me to decide, this is a question that Gazans (actual citizens) have to answer if it was worth it. Personally I consider it a human/Islamic/Arab right to fight against your oppressors and I will leave it at that.
As for the whole idea of KSA being anti-Muslim Brotherhood, it simply boils down to this simple fact. When the Muslim Brotherhood (an Egyptian POLITICAL movement originally now with some branches elsewhere in the Arab world - it is not a religious sect or anything special for Muslims or Islam - it is 1 out of 100's of Islamic movements in the region historically) was persecuted severely in Egypt during the time of Nasser, also in Syria among the Al-Assad regime, KSA was the Arab country that gave them refugee and employed many of the educated MB members in the education system and elsewhere in KSA. In fact for a long time, KSA supported the MB as a counterweight to Nasser and Arab Baa'thism because those ideologies wanted the removal of monarchies in the region even though most people were/are content and doing/living way better off than those who want political changes within our lands. Which is an irony but that is for another topic altogether.
The problem simply bails down to the fact that some MB branches have openly called for the toppling of monarchies in the Arab world (the most stable governments in the Arab world) and this despite the historical support that the Arab monarchies have been given the MB. The hostility was a one-way street and quite a surprise. Now there is mutual mistrust which is not necessary at all.
If the MB wants to be taken seriously they should first regain power organically in Egypt or other Arab States and seek partnerships not to act like ISIS or other groups (no comparison otherwise) that seek the abolishment of existing regimes through violence and force. This is not the way forward.
Any way I have personally nothing against the MB (by default I am not against political parties that want to emphasize the Arab Islamic identity of our nation) or any other similar group. I believe that in a perfect world, they would/could share power in the Arab world along with other main political groups. All working for the benefit of our people and nation. In the future that might very well be the case and when people/countries get more mature politically and more political freedom is granted or taken.
Besides if there will ever be regime changes in KSA/Arabia/Arab world (which there will be eventually) or political changes, they will come naturally through the people and society, not through outside interference/bad faith actors.
Just like it is wrong to impose systems/groups upon Gazans and Palestinians from the outside. I am totally against that anywhere in the Arab world.
Now I don't know what to say or believe about this "deal" or what is going on behind the scenes, the only thing that I care about is the well-being of ordinary Gazans as a whole and our Palestinian brothers and sisters and that they will soon have their own independent Palestinian state in one form or another. That has always been the position of not only all KSA governments but also practically every single Saudi Arabian.
As for Al-Arabiya and Al-Hadath those are run by private Saudi Arabian individuals (Al-Ibrahim) and 1 Saudi Arabian prince (not in power or governance) and many Saudi Arabians do not like much of their coverage (can easily be seen on Twitter or Arab social media) but not everything they do is bad. They are not official state Saudi Arabian media which has a very different coverage. In any case I believe (personally) that there should be every type of media and angles on conflicts (from the most conservative to the liberal to other) as this fosters discourse, as long as there is no incitement or hate speech. In any case I personally don't watch traditional media any longer but just follow journalist (Arab and non-Arab) which are in the field. All those state-owned media have their own agendas (political) like anywhere else. Citizen media is preferred for this reason.
Anyway we will not (ordinary Saudi Arabians and Palestinians and Arabs as a whole) accept provocateurs and agents of foreigners to create artificial hatred/hostility/rivalries between us (ordinary people) or to drive an imaginary wedge between us.
@Falcon29 @Unknowntruth
@RescueRanger Brother thank you for the PM. You are more than welcome to create such a thread but not sure if it deserves an entire thread. We have two KSA-related threads that deal with developments within KSA. 1 on this section (1 of the sticky threads) and the other on the Arab section but purely military-related.
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RescueRanger
Meme Lord
KSA just made a fully indigenous laptop computer.
KSA/GCC (mostly KSA and UAE) are leading in the Muslim world in several scientific fields, most notably AI. KSA also has the best scientific ranks (most scientific papers per capita, highest scientific growth, most public investments going into STEM) in the Muslim world compared to per capital (population size) and the best ranked universities in the Muslim world.
This was 10 years ago, you can imagine the situation today.
That is why the GCC is also the wealthiest, most stable and most prosperous region of the Muslim world but many so-called Muslims want Arabia to resemble their own failed/war-torn nations out of spite, inferiority complexes and in certain cases outright hatred.
The rise of Saudi Arabia as a science powerhouse
Oil fuels Saudi Arabia’s rise as a regional science powerhouse.www.natureasia.com
As for this thread, I am not sure why people are talking about KSA. KSA has nothing to do with either Israeli, US or Hamas policies. KSA is the country that has financially supported Palestine and Palestinians that most and is also the country in the region that host the largest Palestinian community that is also (since forever) getting preferential treatment over other expat/foreign communities. KSA caused the most economic/political harm against the US/West during the conflict in the 1970's as well (oil embargo). To this day KSA has not recognized nor had any economic or military ties with Israel (as one of the few Muslim nations that never had any such ties with Israel from the very beginning until 2025), even though KSA could gain the most from such a relationship economically, politically and militarily.
Also there is no "axis of resistance". The so-called "axis of resistance" (Iranian terrorist proxies) is only about keeping Iranian regime interests in the region intact but that failed, bloody, sectarian etc. project has spectacularly failed after the liberation of Syria, setbacks in Iraq and failed control of 80% of Yemen.
Iran did not fire a single missile at Israel UNTIL Israel attacked them repeatedly. Same with Hezbollah. They are not in it for Hamas/Gaza/Palestine despite 40 + years of propaganda and using this as an excuse to mass-murder Syrians for 10 + years.
On the other hand, KSA/Arab states have not had such a false and pathetic rhetoric ever but we have always been very clear. Two-state solution with pre-1967 borders.
Hence the Arab Peace Initiate (Saudi Arabian made) that both Hamas, Fatah, all main Palestinian factions and ALL Arab states support. In fact I would guess all main Muslim nations.
Arab Peace Initiative - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Nobody from this front (regimes) has made any unrealistic or bombastic claims. Since Israel is a reality in the region and not going away (most importantly it is mostly an ethnically Arab Jewish state anyway - 20% Palestinian/Bedouin Arab + majority of Israeli Jews are Arab Jews or partial Arab Jews), peace (if a two-state solution is established and some form of peace can prevail) it is better/preferably for the people of the region and region as a whole to have at least peaceful ties and preferably mutually beneficial ties.
Now whether or not October 7th was a good idea or not, is not for me to decide, this is a question that Gazans (actual citizens) have to answer if it was worth it. Personally I consider it a human/Islamic/Arab right to fight against your oppressors and I will leave it at that.
Thanks for the link my brother. I've registered interest online as an early adopter. Not sure they will ship to Pakistan, when they release it for sale may get it shipped to a relative in KSA and ask them to ship it to me.
RescueRanger
Meme Lord
The scale of devastation in Gaza
UNRWA has published a factsheet marking two years since Israel’s war on Gaza, detailing the scale of destruction and humanitarian impact imposed by Israel:
About 80 percent of structures across Gaza damaged or destroyed
845 people killed while sheltering in UNRWA facilities
More than 370 UNRWA staff members killed
More than 790 attacks on health workers and medical infrastructure
Only four out of 22 UNRWA health centres operational
More than 98 percent of cropland damaged or inaccessible
Nearly 90 percent of water and sanitation assets destroyed or damaged
500,000 women and girls lack menstrual hygiene materials
More than 60 percent of households have no access to soap
Over 40 percent of families live near uncollected waste
660,000 children out of school for a third consecutive year
92 percent of school buildings need full reconstruction or major rehabilitation
About 90 percent of UNRWA schools destroyed or damaged
More than 500,000 children received psychosocial support activities
UNRWA has published a factsheet marking two years since Israel’s war on Gaza, detailing the scale of destruction and humanitarian impact imposed by Israel:
About 80 percent of structures across Gaza damaged or destroyed
845 people killed while sheltering in UNRWA facilities
More than 370 UNRWA staff members killed
More than 790 attacks on health workers and medical infrastructure
Only four out of 22 UNRWA health centres operational
More than 98 percent of cropland damaged or inaccessible
Nearly 90 percent of water and sanitation assets destroyed or damaged
500,000 women and girls lack menstrual hygiene materials
More than 60 percent of households have no access to soap
Over 40 percent of families live near uncollected waste
660,000 children out of school for a third consecutive year
92 percent of school buildings need full reconstruction or major rehabilitation
About 90 percent of UNRWA schools destroyed or damaged
More than 500,000 children received psychosocial support activities
RescueRanger
Meme Lord
Guys if you have some time please watch this powerful documentary from Al Jazeera into Gaza's cvil defence:
*Warning extremely distressing footage
Part II will be released soon (Titled: rescue mission Gaza).
*Warning extremely distressing footage
Part II will be released soon (Titled: rescue mission Gaza).
Unknowntruth
Trusted Member
I did no such thing if that’s what you are insinuating by tagging me.
I can be critical of leaders whose nations have aligned with Israel through the Abraham “peace accords”. I can also criticize the commitment of Arab nations who before October 7 had put Palestine on the back burner as they make deals with our oppressors.
I can also criticize SiSi for helping our colonizer blockade Gaza before October 7 and flooding tunnels to Gaza which was a lifelong for the people there.
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