Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

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hasssanali8998 said:
and also once they fire the missiles they will be immediately targeted so even if they hit all the targets ( unlikely ) they will be stuck in Pakistani seas and its going to be another rafale like situation but this time you are losing submarines and 100s of sailors
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Actually the movie "Down Periscope " ( albiet a comedy but with serious wargaming) shows exactly such a maneuver by a World War 2 era diesel electric submarine to penetrate harbor defenses protected by nets, and a flotilla of destroyers as well as a nuclear attack submarine. Needless to say the maneuver in the movie was successful,
It is unclear if a similar ruse was used by German submarines during World War 2 to strike the British Home Fleet in Scapa Flow Scotland. Such details of operations remain classified but it is reasonable to assume that as part of an exercise such a maneuver would definitely have been evaluated. The acoustic signature of a tanker may or may not mask a diesel subs noise but a sonar or sonobuoy would likely be less effective in detection.
To your question what happens after the Indian submarine fires its missiles: The submarine will instantly crash dive, and try to get away to safety. The tanker of course will be the sacrificial lamb to enable the submarine to get away.
I am no naval expert but the threat of a submarine launched heavy missile attack on Karachi is very real.
@arjunk
 
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To help any OSINT fans who want to track such events - here is my daily checklist for monitoring any potential flashpoint between Pakistan-India:
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You can edit this for your own use freely - The only caveat I would add is that when considering "OSINT wallas" please keep an open mind as they may be open to embellish or misrepresent facts. Cross-reference any OSINT "news" with reputable or independent sources.

All critical triggers should mainly be monitored through official channels where attribution and the chain of "custody" can be confirmed.
 
RescueRanger said:
To help any OSINT fans who want to track such events - here is my daily checklist for monitoring any potential flashpoint between Pakistan-India:
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You can edit this for your own use freely - The only caveat I would add is that when considering "OSINT wallas" please keep an open mind as they may be open to embellish or misrepresent facts. Cross-reference any OSINT "news" with reputable or independent sources.

All critical triggers should mainly be monitored through official channels where attribution and the chain of "custody" can be confirmed.
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Excellent! How about serious war gaming of potential scenarios and outcomes. I posted one scenario of a submarine based missile attack.
My next scenario would be a heli-dropped air-land assault to retake Azad Kashmir by India, as Pakistan is distracted by naval attacks in the South.
 
Baibers_1260 said:
Excellent! How about serious war gaming of potential scenarios and outcomes. I posted one scenario of a submarine based missile attack.
My next scenario would be a heli-dropped air-land assault to retake Azad Kashmir by India, as Pakistan is distracted by naval attacks in the South.
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Make a simulation thread brother - tag serious posters in there. Good idea.
 
Joint UK/India Press Statement:
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Source: https://www.pib.gov.in Dated: October, 9th. 2025

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Key Takeaways:
  1. Increased joint exercises between the UK and India and capacity building
  2. Maritime Security Centre to be Established inside India
  3. India Air Force Pilots will train with the UK RAF and be integrated into their training program.
  4. Initial supply of LLM Systems:
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LMM Marlet:
The Lightweight Multirole Missile (LMM) is a versatile small-sized multi-purpose guided missile with a launch weight of 13 kg, a length of 1.3 m and a body diameter of 76 mm.

A special feature of the LMM is the use of a two-channel guidance system – laser beam and infrared at the final guidance section.

Cumulative fragmentation warhead weighs 3 kg. When working on an air target it is detonated by a non-contact laser detonator. The two-stage solid propellant engine ensures a relatively low rocket speed M = 1.5 and a long range (up to 8 km).
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5. Enhanced counter-terrorism cooperation both in terms of financial and curtailing access to "emerging technologies" (A.I and UCAVs)
6. Lobbying at the UN and FATF
 
Baibers_1260 said:
Excellent! How about serious war gaming of potential scenarios and outcomes. I posted one scenario of a submarine based missile attack.
My next scenario would be a heli-dropped air-land assault to retake Azad Kashmir by India, as Pakistan is distracted by naval attacks in the South.
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You'd using some game, AI or other probabilistic methods for this?
 
Baibers_1260 said:
Actually the movie "Down Periscope " ( albiet a comedy but with serious wargaming) shows exactly such a maneuver by a World War 2 era diesel electric submarine to penetrate harbor defenses protected by nets, and a flotilla of destroyers as well as a nuclear attack submarine. Needless to say the maneuver in the movie was successful,
It is unclear if a similar ruse was used by German submarines during World War 2 to strike the British Home Fleet in Scapa Flow Scotland. Such details of operations remain classified but it is reasonable to assume that as part of an exercise such a maneuver would definitely have been evaluated. The acoustic signature of a tanker may or may not mask a diesel subs noise but a sonar or sonobuoy would likely be less effective in detection.
To your question what happens after the Indian submarine fires its missiles: The submarine will instantly crash dive, and try to get away to safety. The tanker of course will be the sacrificial lamb to enable the submarine to get away.
I am no naval expert but the threat of a submarine launched heavy missile attack on Karachi is very real.
@arjunk
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yes that is a real possibility, but why would India risk it , in Pakistan's eyes those could be nukes , lets hope it never goes there . i am sure our navy is capable of handling these threats else Indians would have tried something last time .
 
falcon34 said:
You'd using some game, AI or other probabilistic methods for this?
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We had a mega thread once in the OLD PDF where we used a game simulator a long time ago but those models aren't really reliable.

The simulation being discussed in this thread - is far more simple - it requires more simple text, video based content with probability analysis and discussing likely outcomes.
 
RescueRanger said:
We had a mega thread once in the OLD PDF where we used a game simulator a long time ago but those models aren't really reliable.

The simulation being discussed in this thread - is far more simple - it requires more simple text, video based content with probability analysis and discussing likely outcomes.
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Would AI be applicable, I work with prompts a lot that's kinda my job along with probabilistic methods?.
 
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