Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

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Re-posting again because this got downed in a sea of off-topic nonsense:

Since mid-2024–2025 Afghanistan remains a major source of illicit opiates and other contraband; trans-border smuggling routes through Pakistan (Khyber, Balochistan/Makran, and Sindh coast) continue to be exploited by criminal networks and sometimes taxed/leveraged by local armed actors.

[Source: https://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/WDR_2025/WDR25_B1_Key_findings.pdf?]

Cross-border militant violence has increased in 2025 with high-profile ambushes and clashes in frontier areas, highlighting an upsurge in capability and activity by groups such as TTP and other insurgents operating along/from Afghan border areas. Islamabad has publicly blamed sanctuaries across the border; Kabul faces international pressure to act.

[Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...ved-attack-that-killed-11-soldiers-2025-10-10]

The drug economy remains a major enabler — rising opium/heroin prices and high profits create powerful incentives for smuggling and corruption that indirectly sustain militant logistics. UNODC and other agencies note sharply elevated prices and continued flows.

[Source: https://www.unodc.org/documents/crop-monitoring/Afghanistan/Afghanistan_Drug_Insights_V4.pdf]

Current Picture - factual anchors:

Recent violence:
Pakistani forces reported operations after an ambush that killed soldiers in early October 2025; security operations and cross-border rhetoric have intensified. [Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...ed-attack-that-killed-11-soldiers-2025-10-10/]

Narcotics context: UNODC’s 2025 reporting documents continued dominance of Afghan opiates in regional trafficking, with higher prices increasing smuggling incentives; Pakistan remains a major transit route. [Source: https://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/WDR_2025/WDR25_B1_Key_findings.pdf]

Insurgent landscape: TTP has re-emerged as a major national security threat inside Pakistan, while ISIS-K and various local networks remain active in the border region—multiplicity of actors complicates attribution of attacks and links to smuggling networks. [Source: https://acleddata.com/report/battle-borderlands-tehreek-i-taliban-pakistan-challenges-states-control]

Key drivers:
Economic incentives from illicit economies
— record/high opium and heroin prices create financial rewards for smugglers and intermediaries; proceeds can be taxed/used by armed groups. [Source: https://unis.unvienna.org/unis/pressrels/2025/unisnar1495.htm]

Security vacuums and sanctuary dynamics — porous border areas, uneven control, and local alliances enable militant groups to regroup and operate across the frontier. Recent spikes in attacks indicate these sanctuaries are being exploited.[Source:https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...ved-attack-that-killed-11-soldiers-2025-10-10]

Organizational overlap — criminal smuggling networks, patronage networks, and some militant groups have transactional relationships (safe passage, finance, logistics). This blurs lines between pure “criminal” and “terrorist” flows. [Source:https://www.state.gov/wp-content/up...otics-Control-Strategy-Volume-1-Accessible.pd]

Regional geopolitics — shifting diplomatic relations (e.g., greater external engagement with Kabul) and interstate tensions affect cooperation on border control and counterterrorism.[Source: https://apnews.com/article/india-afghanistan-taliban-muttaqi-899bac27dee2422e88a54372bdd9efaa]

Timeline and Evidence:
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Heat Mapping:
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Historic Trend analysis:

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Analysis:
Although terrorist attacks were recorded in all four provinces and the federal capital
in 2024, over 95% of them were concentrated in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and
Balochistan.

Khyber Pakhtunkhwa recorded the highest number of terrorist incidents in the country in 2024
, with 295 attacks that also included five sectarian-related attacks. These attacks claimed 509 lives and left 517 others injured.

Compared to the previous year, the number of terrorist incidents in the province increased by 69%, while fatalities rose by 21%. This indicates that militants not only escalated the frequency of their attacks but also carried out more intense and high-impact attacks during the year under review.

Most of the terrorist activity in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa was concentrated in six southern
districts—North and South Waziristan, Bannu, Tank, Lakki Marwat, and Dera Ismail
Khan
—which collectively accounted for 171 attacks, or 58% of the total incidents in
the province.

Other significant hotspots included Bajaur, with 34 attacks largely attributed to the Islamic State Khorasan Province (IS-K), and the provincial capital, along with the neighbouring Khyber district, which together witnessed 36 attacks.

Overall, terrorist activity was reported in 22 districts across Khyber Pakhtunkhwa in
2024. Security and law enforcement personnel, particularly from the army and police,
were the primary targets, accounting for over 68% of the total reported attacks in the
province.

Cross referencing the above attacks with most likely smuggling routes based on data provided by UNODC:

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The above schematic is very important to provide a quick snapshot of the main transit and interdictions routes from cross-border smuggling routes - it is also the main route for movement of terrorists into Pakistan.

Borders are managed by "two nations" - Afghanistan as a state has the responsibility to manage her side of the border, a task her "government" has failed at multiple times as the officials inside Kabul do not recognise the Durand line nor the Pakistan/Afghanistan border.

Based on demands by Islamabad they are two main models to be examined here in examining any conflict between Pakistan and Afghanistan:

  • Scenario A: Strong Afghan action against TTP
  • Scenario B: Afghanistan maintains the status quo
What would Scenario A look like: Afghan authorities move from public denials/limited measures to sustained, visible counter-TTP operations — arrests of senior TTP figures, disruption of logistics and training grounds, plus joint security steps or intelligence-sharing with Pakistan.
Likelihood based on Analysis from Brookings: Low-Moderate (Source: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-talibans-three-years-in-power-and-what-lies-ahead)


What would Scenario B look like: continued Afghan denials, limited or symbolic actions, constrained enforcement in border areas, and TTP continues to operate with some sanctuary/access to Afghan territory.
Likelihood based on historic monitoring and reporting: Moderate-High - Reasoning: current reporting and repeated cycles of accusation/limited cooperation point to this being the baseline trajectory. (Source Cited: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024...ns-ties-with-the-afghan-taliban-turned-frigid)

Second-order effects & risks:
Escalation: Pakistan may increase unilateral military actions (air or cross-border strikes), raising the risk of a sustained cross-border confrontation. (Source: https://warontherocks.com/2025/03/decoding-pakistans-2024-airstrikes-in-afghanistan)

Regional consequences: Increased instability may draw in China (protecting projects/ nationals), or see international pressure on Afghanistan; refugee flows or cross-border displacement could rise. (Source: https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R45122)

TTP consolidation: Continued safe haven enables TTP to recruit, plan larger attacks, and potentially coordinate with other militant groups, raising the long-term threat level. (Source: https://acleddata.com/report/battle-borderlands-tehreek-i-taliban-pakistan-challenges-states-control)

Escalation Trigger timeline:
0–3 months:
Status quo continues; occasional big attacks in Pakistan draw loud diplomatic protests. Islamabad signals readiness for action; Kabul issues denials. (Baseline seen repeatedly through 2024–2025 reporting).
3–9 months: If external pressure + incentives rise (or a political decision in Kabul), limited cooperation or targeted Afghan actions may appear (Scenario A partial realization). Otherwise, continued tit-for-tat (Scenario B).
9–18 months: Path diverges: successful Afghan sustained action could reduce attacks and open security channels; failure or persistence of status quo increases risk of sustained Pakistani unilateral measures and regional friction.
^ We are here!

Key triggers for widening escalation:

1. A major inside-Pakistan attack with high civilian or foreign national casualties — raises pressure for drastic action.
2. A sudden policy pivot within the Taliban leadership
^ We are here!

TLDR:
The status quo within Afghanistan is unsustainable for Pakistan from a security perspective.

I like how some retard pakistanis try to portray afghans as some sort of "superior muslims" then us, when in reality the afghan society survives mostly on illicit and unislamic values.

On one one hand we have brain dead liberals and leftist who "admire" indian "superior culture" and otoh we have retards appeasing and trying to belittle our own self in order to appease afghans.

The few of us who got the clearity of mind wrt these issues are called various slurs depending on the occasion( youthya, foujeet, patwari etc etc).
 
So the questions that need to be asked and addressed are why and what drives them to support the TTP or other criminal groups and what can be done to stop this.

This isn’t limited to the TTP and KP - the same issues exist in Balochistan and don’t forget the local support MQM had and to a degree still has.

Massacring entire communities or demographic groups isn’t the answer, so what is?

Again, you can’t just bomb your way out of this (long term), unless you’re talking about genocide.

Your right MQM may have had similar support. The basis of this is extreme ethnocentrism where they place ETHNIC KINSHIP above citizenship or patriotism, nationalism

The difference is, MQM were never that violent
MQM never hit schools or travellers or labourers

Everyone has problems

But not Kashmiri, sindhi, Punjabi or hell poor impoverished people across the world act with the barbarity that afghans and Baloch do, their is disagreement and then their is blood thirsty savagery


So you cannot move forward until these people change, because your situation is trapped

You could say investment is the way
But you are talking about long term plans with high costs FUNDED BY THE TAXPAYERS in the rest of the country

And those plans may take years and decades

And at every point the locals will respond with violence, jahilat, complicity with terrorists


So even the best laid plans will unravel with jahilat of this caliber




We need security, before we can make lasting changes and investment or attract investment

Ask yourself who would invest money in these areas, with these people?


Security is essential

We have tried jirgas
We have tried to let afghans and TTP to resettle with their families
We have sent politico
We have sent military leaders
We have sent ambassadors
We have offered trade
We have offered aid at times of hardships or earthquake


The demands these people have are in competition with basic Pakistani SOVEREIGNTY that we can never bow to


We have reached a point, where war may be the only option and harsh conflict to clear these areas and force these people regardless of the cost to behave one way or the other


We have real dangerous enemies in the hindutva and Zionists and Pakistan is vital in that war and we can't allow the endless fassad from afghans and baloch to cause chaos
 
Mere allegations? Can't have this discussion if you'll remain disingenuous.

The analogy stands perfectly. You are a country of conspiracy theorists and idiots ruled by their meaningless agendas. Foreign policy and warfare is not and cannot be decided by the majority. Otherwise you would've gone to war every other weekend, including against the US in 2001. The majority's only job is to elect after which it is the elected who decide. Or should we have held a referendum after May 7?

The efficacy of Military Ops Vs "talks" with the Afghans/Taliban has been established well over the past 25 years.


That, my friend, is the trick jingoism plays on the mind..... it convinces you that asking for evidence is somehow deceitful and "disingenuous" , yet swallowing propaganda from an institution hardly known for its truthfulness is somehow virtuous...

If we claim the right to bomb Afghanistan without presenting any credible proof of its direct involvement in the attack on our soil that killed 11 soldiers, or even fail to prove that TTP leadership was indeed sheltered by Taliban in Kabul, then we surrender the moral ground to protest when India invokes the same logic over Occupied Kashmir and attacks Islamabad, Lahore or Bahawalpur.....leave aside jingoism and recognize the perilous slope this reasoning leads us down.... one where might, not justice, becomes the measure of right.
 
bro, literally one of the worst guys in our history
Directly or indirectly, iski wajah se aaj Balochistan aur KP me yeh halaat hain

US alignment post-9/11, FATA ops, killing of Akbar Bugti which was the turning point in Balochistan, Lal Masjid, TTP formation due to his policies in FATA and Lal Masjid op, and his own personal hawas for power... probably the worst guy
Hindsight is always 20/20

Unfortunately we also don't learn from history and are repeating the same mistakes :(
 
That, my friend, is the trick jingoism plays on the mind..... it convinces you that asking for evidence is somehow deceitful and "disingenuous" , yet swallowing propaganda from an institution hardly known for its truthfulness is somehow virtuous...

If we claim the right to bomb Afghanistan without presenting any credible proof of its direct involvement in the attack on our soil that killed 11 soldiers, or even prove that TTP leadership was indeed sheltered by Taliban in Kabul, then we surrender the moral ground to protest when India invokes the same logic over Occupied Kashmir and attacks Islamabad, Lahore or Bahawalpur.....leave aside jingoism and recognize the perilous slope this reasoning leads us down.... one where might, not justice, becomes the measure of right.

Look around the world it's dog eat dog, might is right

Their is no justice
 
Pakistan didn't 'create' the Taliban. An excellent resource on the origins of the Afghan Taliban is Ahmed Rashid old book 'Taliban'. Basically, after the Soviets left and Najibullah fell, the Afghans, as they always do, started slaughtering each other. It was truly horrible massacres. Lawlessness everywhere. Trade convoys were forced to pay bribes to different warlords. Warlords everywhere. One particular incident in Qandahar angered the locals led by Mullah Umar to target the criminals and they formed the Taliban movement. Pakistan decided to support that faction as they seemed more sincere, more capable. It was the right decision. It is always better to deal with one stable faction who holds the power then with 20 factions.

But what's puzzling to me is why on hell the Afghan Taliban govt is needling Pakistan!!! I see no reason. I had high hopes of them when they took the power in August 2021.
We may not have created Taliban but played a huge part in it getting all the support to oust other warring factions. Naseerullah Babr used to boast that they are "My boys..."
ISI just couldn't control them afterwards.
Having said that, I agree with you. What is their interest in antagonizing Pakistan at the moment? Was it because we declined to recognize them as a legitimate government post US withdrawl?
 
Dear Brother,

No one can win a war without gaining the support of the local population. Currently, there is significant distrust between the people and the establishment, exacerbated by the lack of respect shown toward their elected parliamentarians, who are sometimes openly labeled as terrorists. To achieve peace in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan, the first step is to ensure fair elections that bring the people's chosen representatives to power. This will help build trust between the establishment and the local population. Only then, if certain individuals still align with terrorists and threaten peace, should operations be conducted against them, with the support of the local community , their chosen members and in collaboration with establishment.
That's what I too highlighted in some of my posts earlier that there's so much of trust deficit between the local population in KP (can talk with complete authority w.r.t KPs Southern districts, as I have lost 4 of my extended family members to TTP local groups in the last 7 months there..) and the army that in my humble opinion it would take a full fledged war with India (not just something like May 7-10) and army's sacrifices in such a war, to restore people's trust...

People here in Punjab, Islamabad don't understand the ground situation there, you have no idea, the state of Pakistan does not exist anymore in those areas, believe me.

I don't know if the top brass is provided with an accurate report by the units deployed there anymore...
 
We may not have created Taliban but played a huge part in it getting all the support to oust other warring factions. Naseerullah Babr used to boast that they are "My boys..."
ISI just couldn't control them afterwards.
Having said that, I agree with you. What is their interest in antagonizing Pakistan at the moment? Was it because we declined to recognize them as a legitimate government post US withdrawl?
I think it's all about ability to burn cash.
 
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Let's hope these political hands and/or Generals responsible for that strategic retreat face accountability.
Like they hanged all the generals who committed heinous crimes in the past especially 1971 … wishful thinking but that aint gonna happen…..
 
Be serious.

While the first answer has merit and is worth discussing in terms of ways to de-radicalize the local population, your second response arguing that one man alone somehow convinced an entire region to ‘hate the Army’ is far fetched and, for lack of a better word in my mind, ‘lazy’ analysis.
 
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Notwithstanding that vaccination, rooted in science and reason, bears no likeness to whimsical undertakings such as waging wars or bombing foreign lands (upon mere allegations), the matter, in essence, concerns belief in democracy itself.... In any democratic system, Army generals hold no sway over foreign policy..... and the will of the majority, distasteful though it may be to some, must prevail n reign supreme...
Except it somewhat does and a precedent needs to be established. If you say that in the case of vaccination where clear science and reason dictate a correct path then you can ignore the will of majority, then it becomes a very slippery slope of ignoring the will of the majority to implement what you think is correct based on your belief systems. Little thought experiment, if you were the prime minister and in 2001 the majority of the people of Pakistan decided that Pakistan should declare war against the USA for invading Afghanistan, would you declare war? In 2020, when the majority likely did demand the expulsion of the French ambassador and the severing of ties would you do it? During the whole Palestine genocide people demanded that Pakistan attack Israel, would you have declared war on Israel and bypassed regional actors to put boots on the ground? You can say these are non-sensical but the majority of people in Pakistan likely supported all these actions.
 
Be serious.

While the first answer has merit and is worth discussing in terms of ways to de-radicalize the local population, but your second response arguing that one man alone somehow convinced an entire region to ‘hate the Army’ is far fetched and, for lack of a better word in my mind, ‘lazy’ analysis.
army has always been hated because of men like IK , first they make deals with establishment and gain power then they ask for more and sometimes too much and establishment removes them and because of their popularity among our uneducated masses ,the people turn against the army men like Akbar Bugti and many more . also remind me who attacked military posts in may few year ago .
 
Have you not been keeping up with the news coming out of Iran regarding Afghan deportations ? Do you think it is mere happenstance.

If either India or Afghanistan thinks this a cakewalk they are sorely mistaken.
The problem is its not about who's stronger its about who has more to loose.

Iran Pakistan Uzbekistan and all the neighbours need to work together to completely seal borders until afghans come back to their senses.
 
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