Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[Agnostic Muslim]

no i meant why would u ask who is making people anti army when its pretty clear ,

They aren’t angry because of IK, they are angry because just as Zionists lost the pro-Israel narrative due to excessive atrocities by Israel, the Fauj lost the narrative because its atrocities and crackdown on PTI leadership and supporters were broadcast everywhere in the aftermath of the PTI’s overthrow.

Just as you can’t blame Palestinians for the Israelis failing to hide/justify their atrocities and losing the narrative and being hated by most of the world, you can’t blame the PTI for the Fauj’s failure to justify/hide its atrocities against Pakistanis.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Jalalabad been struck?

 

[Watandar]

Seems the Chinese want Afghanistan-Pakistan to move on from the past and build a future in partnership with China based on trade and minerals. They also want to integrate both countries into CPEC. They will not be happy with the recent developments.

Pakistan’s Upgrade to Diplomatic Ties With the Taliban Should Not Be Seen in Isolation

India and China’s own moves vis-a-vis Afghanistan may have influenced Pakistan’s decision.

thediplomat.com

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Seems the Chinese want Afghanistan-Pakistan to move on from the past and build a future in partnership with China based on trade and minerals. They also want to integrate both countries into CPEC. They will not be happy with the recent developments. An article from just four months ago.

Pakistan’s Upgrade to Diplomatic Ties With the Taliban Should Not Be Seen in Isolation

India and China’s own moves vis-a-vis Afghanistan may have influenced Pakistan’s decision.

thediplomat.com

to the contrary, their involvement would sour relationship with China!

 

[hasssanali8998]

They will not be happy with the recent developments.

there is literally an chines air force plane over Peshawar, they also hate bla and islamic extremism and like we have said this is our internal matter and chinese don't meddle in these things

 

[hussain0216]

Seems the Chinese want Afghanistan-Pakistan to move on from the past and build a future in partnership with China based on trade and minerals. They also want to integrate both countries into CPEC. They will not be happy with the recent developments.

Pakistan’s Upgrade to Diplomatic Ties With the Taliban Should Not Be Seen in Isolation

India and China’s own moves vis-a-vis Afghanistan may have influenced Pakistan’s decision.

thediplomat.com

EVERYONE, wants that

Numerous efforts, many behind closed doors have been made

We have used China, Russia, Iran, Central Asian countries

EVERYONE has told the Afghans their is a better way,
Trade is better then conflict
We need peace for development


So what do the Afghans do?????

Endless fassad and terrorism and targeting Pakistan

Enough is a enough

 

[El Sidd]

They aren’t angry because of IK, they are angry because just as Zionists lost the pro-Israel narrative due to excessive atrocities by Israel, the Fauj lost the narrative because its atrocities and crackdown on PTI leadership and supporters were broadcast everywhere in the aftermath of the PTI’s overthrow.

Just as you can’t blame Palestinians for the Israelis failing to hide/justify their atrocities and losing the narrative and being hated by most of the world, you can’t blame the PTI for the Fauj’s failure to justify/hide its atrocities against Pakistanis.

What's with all the outrageous exaggeration? Take a hint from the stock market and readjust your perceptions.

 

[Watandar]

This is the best article I have found so far on this issue.

"Islamabad made a “strategic miscalculation” by betting that the Afghan Taliban would turn on the TTP, its ideological ally, said Maleeha Lodhi, a former Pakistani ambassador to the US and the UN."

Pakistan’s bet on Taliban backfires as violence surges

Islamabad had deadliest year in almost a decade following rise in terror attacks

www.ft.com

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Taliban

Ones created in the madrasas of Pakistan, following a creed that was alien just few decades ago?
And a group created in the wake of GWOT and proclivity of some to milk it to the max... sell locals and foreigners alike... keeping the optics alive for successive American administrations. This is the very definition of an engineered conflict where every vector has been curated.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Sir, I whole heartedly agree. Yes there are wrongs in our society, in our country. Too many to list but right now what we need is to be unified on this one issue.

Could the DGISPR statement have been worded better, perhaps... But the thrust of his argument was lost on some. People should learn to read between the lines.

I agree, so fr the only good balanced speaker I can recall from my memory is the DG ISPR Gen Athar Abbas (remember him?) during Musharraf / Kyani time time the ISPR setup really needs to work on a professional, unemotional and no no nonsense statements. I am not recommending a word juggler like Mahdi Hassan but someone who can prepare a good balanced speech for our ISPR leadership and make a better delivery on behalf of the DG ISPR who needs to delegate some of the press conferences to junior officers.
Also, ISPR can use some civilian input in this matter as well from say our foreign ministry personnel.

 

[hussain0216]

This is the best article I have found so far on this issue.

"Islamabad made a “strategic miscalculation” by betting that the Afghan Taliban would turn on the TTP, its ideological ally, said Maleeha Lodhi, a former Pakistani ambassador to the US and the UN."

Pakistan’s bet on Taliban backfires as violence surges

Islamabad had deadliest year in almost a decade following rise in terror attacks

www.ft.com

They bet and hoped that post U.S defeat, that Afghanistan and Pakistan could move forward as allies with a focus on trade and peace

I don't blame them

I blame the Afghans and their endless donkey behavior, their violence, their savagery and extreme ethnocentrism



The U.S was a long term strategic threat to the entire region, we could have all moved forward

But afghans got to afghan

 

[Aggregate]

They aren’t angry because of IK, they are angry because just as Zionists lost the pro-Israel narrative due to excessive atrocities by Israel, the Fauj lost the narrative because its atrocities and crackdown on PTI leadership and supporters were broadcast everywhere in the aftermath of the PTI’s overthrow.

Just as you can’t blame Palestinians for the Israelis failing to hide/justify their atrocities and losing the narrative and being hated by most of the world, you can’t blame the PTI for the Fauj’s failure to justify/hide its atrocities against Pakistanis.

Fauj lost no narrative, really, it always retains the narrative at one side or the other.

Yesterday PMLN people were up in arms (crackdown, chadar and chaar deewari, death cells, adlia, bla, bla) and PTI was celebrating same page, today PTI is in up arms (crackdown, chadar and chaar deewari, death cells, adlia, bla, bla) and PMLN people are celebrating same page.

Its a musical chair that has continued since the 90s and PTI has already played 3 rounds in the last 12 years. And if you think PTI won't turn around and do it once more, then Pervaiz Elahi is still Punjab's Biggest Dakoo (not PTI president) and Sheikh Rashid won't ever be a Chaprasi of Imran Khan, either << which is a case in point that PTI leadership is not against Army, they are theoring tantrum until they become the favourite child again.

Fauj is going away nowhere, this circus of PTI/PMLN/PPP fooling the public at large, will continue.

 

[RescueRanger]

We need to create a buffe zone - nothing else will solve this.

 

[Master Chief]

Brother , you are so wise and so innocent at the same time.

When GHQ was doing "dirty work" for Americans, did the collateral damage suffered by Pakistan, a major non-NATO ally, harm America in any way ? So, why do you think any damage to Afghanistan while the Taliban does dirty work for India will harm India in any way ?

This analogy you draw does not take into account the relevant context - the mentalities of the different parties.

Indeed, a bit of psychological analysis is necessary to understand the difference.

You are comparing a highly professional, resilient, and secretive military organisation (US Army) with the ragtag and immature Indian nation, whose 1.5 billion inhabitants are still crying over history from centuries ago, never mind what happens today?

It is no surprise that USA is resilient to harm done to its allies. This is their nature and has been since WW2 - they keep going, despite setbacks....
whereas India will even publicly cry when it loses perceived allies!

Have you forgotten how Indian media, civilian groups AND politicians all cried together in June because "nobody stood with us saar" in the May conflict? This is a reflection of a deep seated nationalised inferiority complex - that panic sets in when other parties are perceived to "abandon" them.

Granted, it is not a substantial phenomenon, and probably only has a minor impact, but it definitely has an impact on the Indian war psyche. It follows that if Pakistan either defeats India's supposed friends or turns them politically, that Delhi becomes reactionary.

Let me now turn your analogy in on itself.

Is USA worried in the slightest about KSA's defensive alliance with Pakistan? No. USA will keep doing what USA does with regards to its interests.

Meanwhile, Hindustan is in full public damage control regarding this development. The public perception (it doesn't matter whether that perception is true or not) is that KSA may now turn against Indian interests and a lot of damage control and reassurance is needed from India's leaders to mitigate this perception, which will occupy a number of their resources to a degree.

 

[hasssanali8998]

We need to create a buffe zone - nothing else will solve this.

yes with drone and air strikes