Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

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Attan is a war dance. The head rotation and spinning it is a challenge to the enemy to dare and come forward.
 
Mobius said:
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They are speaking Arabic and the guys look like Yemenis, from their faces, this does not seem to be Afghans/Pakistanis
 
puttputt said:
What folks don't understand or realize is that "Afghanistan" as a state didn't exist until the around the 1840s when the Barakzai dynasty formed it.

Before that point, there was no "Afghanistan" in the sense of a nation state, but rather, the land was home to many different dynastic leaders who ruled parts of modern day Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, and other surrounding regions. It was never as one united bloc, but a flux of both small and big powers (e.g., Samanis, Ghaznavis, Delhi Sultanate, Mughals, etc).

None of these great dynasties saw or called themselves "Afghans" nor did any of them have a mission of building an "Afghanistan" or "Afghan" empire or whatever.

So, this BS about them being the graveyard of empires and stuff is just that, BS. If such ideas held true, then Islam wouldn't have spread to them via the Arabs, Persians, and Turkic folks who ruled lands that make "Afghanistan" for centuries and centuries.

Not only that, but this land at one point was also under the brutal occupation of Mongol hordes, during which refugees flowed into the lands we now know today as Pakistan when it was under the Delhi Sultanate.

The Delhi Sultanate in fact spearheaded the resistance against the Mongols in this period, leveraging the expertise of the refugees (some of whom were Pakhtun, others Persians, Turkic, Khorasani, etc) while adding India's resources and manpower into the mix to fight the Mongol hordes many, many times.

Afghans, like the rest of humanity, are just a bunch of humans. There's nothing special or unique about them, and no, they didn't 'sink' the Soviets or Americans or NATO. With USSR, for example, it was a combination of Afghan fighters, Saudi money, Pakistani support, and US coordination that sunk the Soviets.

And with the US, the Americans came in and scattered these guys into the caves. Yes, the US didn't have the stomach to deal with the constant insurgency, but they also couldn't build any legitimacy with any of the locals either. The US was totally alien to the region and shared nothing with the locals.

Pakistan, OTOH, shares the wider historical identity and is of the region. It's native. And Pakistanis have the wherewithal to absorb damage (as we had in the COIN/CT ops in the 2010s) and our Pakistan Army knows how to fight cave to cave, stone-to-stone (@Blain2) as we had under Lt. Gen Tariq Khan.

Our men lack as much fear in death as their counterparts in the Taliban and are GROUNDED to the land as they were born there. They're sons of the soil too. For every 1 of ours down we will also produce 10.

So, whatever come of this conflict, there's no analogy or parallel to the USSR or the US. The tragedy, IMO, is that our Pakistani leadership doesn't carry a great vision when it prepares to make big sacrifices like this.

Afghanistan as a nation-state entity is a failure -- it's people are all dependents on others like Pakistan. We basically get all of the burden and none of the material benefits that could be used to better both Afghans and Pakistanis from this relationship.

Plus, with any people, you can't solve things with just the sword. Yes, we need to fight and deal with things militarily, 100%, but we also need to build roots in Afghanistan and unify, ensuring that whatever emerges in the future sees itself as part of Pakistan's fabric. If it's our territory, we can 100% eliminate external Indian influence (rather, now, our interface changes to facing Central Asia, Russia, etc directly).

Otherwise we'll constantly end up with the same damn situation over and over again, i.e., you clear the place of X, then Y comes in and backstabs us, and we're back to square-one.
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I will just say one thing, unlike ANA, Pakistan Army has not, and will not ever abandon the fight iA.

In the Afghan mind, they have this caricature of Pakistanis as "cowardly", "British lackeys", "fighting for money" but in every fight, since 1962 in Bajaur, they have paid dearly when Pakistan has taken action.

The fact of the matter is that in this entire region, there isn't a bigger sellout country than Afghans (their elite). They have sold that land out to every single invader. It was always some Afghan who sided with the occupiers (Greeks, Soviets, and Americans recently).
They have sold their country to the highest bidder as we now, yet again, see unfolding with Taliban and a racist, anti-muslim RSS making strange bedfellows.

All Pakistani political parties need to get on the same page with the realization that this Taliban threat has to be handled because they have no interest in peace with Pakistan unless their version of nizam is forced on all of Pakistan. I am not anti-sharia, but I am anti-Taliban and anti-Takfir, as should all Pakistanis be.
Pakistanis should also fully back a full-throated Pakistani response to terror attacks inside of Pakistan by Afghan TTP proxies. Making Taliban bleed is the only way to stop TTP from coming over.

Gone are the days of Taliban hiding in the mountains to wage a war. They have to run their cities and provinces. This means they are in the open and targets.

Lots to ponder over and implement in the days ahead for the GoP. A precedent has been set. It should not be regressed.
 
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And some people want us to be "reasonable" with this?
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I would put it to the original tweeter that Pakistan is certainly "correcting its ways". Negotiations are over. Warnings are over. The way now is that of steel and fire.
 
Master Chief said:
I would put it to the original tweeter that Pakistan is certainly "correcting its ways". Negotiations are over. Warnings are over. The way now is that of steel and fire.
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yes every time a attack happens bomb them , bomb their positions . especially now with alliance with India dont let them get strong
 
Mobius said:
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They are speaking Arabic. Ashok Swine the clueless runt from India spreading nonsense.
 
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