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[Hack-Hook]

SU-35S can easily lift and launch an ALBM version of Fattah hypersonic missile. Its somewhat lighter than Russian Khinzal.

Does su-35 is capable of firing khinzal?

 

[ToddE]

Does su-35 is capable of firing khinzal?

No but Iran can convince Russia to allow integration of ALBM on Sukhoi airframe.

Russian wont allow it because it will endanger Israel but its well within Iranian capabilities.

 

[Flotilla]

su-34 and su-57 would be good options. su-34 is cheaper option and functional, and probably more realistic to achieve quicker this decade.

but we probably also need help creating ALBM that can fit on su-34. ironically we need something like golden sparrow that Israel has

Su34 is very expensive. So expensive that Algeria barely has for just only Squadron.

Nobody in all Middle East would be comfortable with a Iranian Su34. That would challenge many Air forces. But I agree it is ideal for replacing old Shirazi's Fencers.

Would be easier to get hypothetical Su75 than Su34. And because the size of the country the better strike fighter would be Su34.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Su34 is very expensive. So expensive that Algeria barely has for just only Squadron.

Nobody in all Middle East would be comfortable with a Iranian Su34. That would challenge many Air forces. But I agree it is ideal for replacing old Shirazi's Fencers.

Would be easier to get hypothetical Su75 than Su34. And because the size of the country the better strike fighter would be Su34.

su-34 is $36m per unit. not cheap but don't need huge fleet. 24-36 would be enough. around $1 billion. though likely a bit more including sub systems and weapons. this is not expensive for fighter jets. our neighbours spend many multiples of this on such deals.

 

[Piet]

Good catch on Dowran Upgraded F-4E ... This aircraft has Bayyenat-I radar with A2A Search/Track range of ~150/120 KM. Designed for the launch of Ghader AShCM.

Thank you. I lost my mind there for a sec, of course Bayyenat-1. Tsk.

Seems like Arash AAM project has been re-branded as Baz AAM.

O.k. works for me. Hope its future is brighter than some IRI endeavor's that did not make it.

I see no utility of it since Russian fleet in IRIAF wont use it and F-14A/AM, F-4E/D are gonna retire soon. May be local F-5 variants may use it.

I agree. A country however cannot afford to build a dedicated BVR missile for a few dozen localized F-5 variants.

Beyond that, doubtful that the envisaged delivery of SU & MiG's & Yaks would either.

So, what exactly does Iran plan to do with the Baz?

Wish I could get a clearer pick of its rear fins.

Piet

 

[Piet]

If the Baz AAM is indeed smaller and lighter than the Arash/AIM-7 and the Kowsar can carry it, it might actually make the Kowsar ugrade/new-builds program worthwhile.

A valid point.

Would they have been farsighted enough to make sure Baz is compatible with the AIM-7 recessed launchers on F-4 and F-14 so it can be carried instead of the AIM-7?

Even if the powers-that-be had, F-4 & -14's, whichever remain, will not do so over the short term, at least.

Piet

 

[ToddE]

Thank you. I lost my mind there for a sec, of course Bayyenat-1. Tsk.


O.k. works for me. Hope its future is brighter than some IRI endeavor's that did not make it.

I agree. A country however cannot afford to build a dedicated BVR missile for a few dozen localized F-5 variants.

Beyond that, doubtful that the envisaged delivery of SU & MiG's & Yaks would either.

So, what exactly does Iran plan to do with the Baz?

Wish I could get a clearer pick of its rear fins.

Piet

I have a theory on why these projects keep on showing up but never see serial production.

These old planes need hundreds of private companies to keep them in the air. As an example F-14A's overhaul requires 4000 engineers/technicians per airframe. Its upgradation to AM standard needs around ~8-10 Million USD. Similar story with F-4E/D. So retiring an old platform means all these people making money off it will no longer be doing it. They cant switch to Russian planes because Russia sells spares itself. Why would local aviation industry allow the cash cow plane to die ? Hence projects are created to keep the platform alive. That's how pylon less, missile less Mirage F1 kept on flying for 35 years in Iran.

This missile is of no use to MIG-29, SU-35S/30SM, YAK-130 and Iran is no longer manufacturing Kowsar planes so only explanation I see is an attempt at keeping the F-4E/D fleet alive.

 

[PakAl]

Iran needs to rethink its friendships. Will Russia provide military support to Iran if under attack, and why no planes have arrived in Iran despite Russia under western sanctions and facing threats itself. Iran also needs to think on what will they do in 10 years time, Israel will be inducting 6th generation planes.

J10CE is better option for Iran, better missiles and avionics, more upgrades. Iran they must not make threats to other nations and work on itself, slowly build relations with all nations, in 10 years time they can build close military economy relations with China Pakistan and buy J35s with pl16s.

 

[lightning f57]

Is SU34 news confirmed now not rumours?

 

[Piet]

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apparently IRIAF is testing copy of AIM-120C on F-4 with 100km range

Well, if the AIM-120C is indeed serving as a Baz tech suppository and testbed, its all fine. What is not fine is its range, which for -120C can be as 'low' as 90km. See why, below.

The recent performance of PAF J-10CE's firing 145km range PL15E's BVRAAM's during the PAF/IAF clash, is a good indicator why range, for one, matters. There was even a successful ~200km shootdown with PL-15E.

Iran would do well to take note and prepare accordingly.

It is not necessary to re-invent the wheel. Just to kick up its performance to a worthwhile range of say 150 - 200km.

Piet

 

[tsunset]

Is SU34 news confirmed now not rumours?

Not even rumors, just analysis and speculations

What is confirmed is 48 Su-35 for 2026-2028

 

[BigMela2onin]

Why would local aviation industry allow the cash cow plane to die ? Hence projects are created to keep the platform alive. That's how pylon less, missile less Mirage F1 kept on flying for 35 years in Iran.

Safe bet as everything in Iran comes down to graft.

This missile is of no use to MIG-29, SU-35S/30SM, YAK-130 and Iran is no longer manufacturing Kowsar planes so only explanation I see is an attempt at keeping the F-4E/D fleet alive.

Russia probably wouldn't like modification to any new Sukhois but I doubt they will care too much if they integrated these on IRIAF'S MiG-29 9.12s. All they have now are R-27s, I don't even think they use ERs. DPRK has their own AAMs on theirs so its possible. It would make the 29s more useful than they are now anyways.

 

[Piet]

Iran needs to rethink its friendships. Will Russia provide military support to Iran if under attack, and why no planes have arrived in Iran despite Russia under western sanctions and facing threats itself.

I have previously expressed reservations on how long Russia and Iran's current relationship would last. As for military support, if Iran is attacked, that would depend on what terms the Ukraine-Russian conflict ends.

Especially if Russia is offered a generous remuneration package for bringing to a close this conflict, such as getting substantial amounts of its frozen assets back, some sanctions relief etc., *if* it undertakes to say reduce military aid and weapons to Iran.

Or, sells it vanilla versions of its SU's, MiG's & Yak's to save face and at least display credibility as far as prospective arms purchasing countries are concerned.

Imagine the pressure Pres Putin would be under, not only from the rest of the international community, but also from his own people such as Oligarch's that financed his war, and who wants their $$$ back.

Piet

J10CE is better option for Iran, better missiles and avionics, more upgrades. Iran they must not make threats to other nations and work on itself, slowly build relations with all nations, in 10 years time they can build close military economy relations with China Pakistan and buy J35s with pl16s.

 

[Shafagh]

Indian Defense Sites are reporting that leaked ROSTEC documents, corroborated by Defence Security Asia, reveal that the Indian MiG-29K’s Zhuk-ME radar was sold with falsified reliability data.

Russian Engineers reportedly simulated test outcomes rather than conducting live trials and even fabricated performance reports by installing dummy radar modules. The original promise of a 150-hour mean time between failures was exposed as fraudulent — with the actual performance dropping to between 60 and 90 hours. (Lol)

@planenerd

They do this to a good ally. Who knows what they do with us

 

[ToddE]

Safe bet as everything in Iran comes down to graft.

Russia probably wouldn't like modification to any new Sukhois but I doubt they will care too much if they integrated these on IRIAF'S MiG-29 9.12s. All they have now are R-27s, I don't even think they use ERs. DPRK has their own AAMs on theirs so its possible. It would make the 29s more useful than they are now anyways.

I doubt Russia would allow MIG-29 to be played around with inside Iran without cash reaching Moscow through their front companies in Eastern Europe (Belorussia, Serbia etc). You are right, current armament package of MIG-29 is hilarious with SARH R-27 and old HMD less R-73.

Technically speaking IAIO can do to a MIG-29 what they did to prototype F-14AM, F-4E Dowran, Kowsar etc ... They can give it better SAIRAN built AESA radar than current 400 KG heavy relic N019 Rubin, they can give it a new MAWS/ECM/Datalink package, HMD slaved R-73/Azarakhsh, AShCM and this BAZ BVR if its ARH. Basically a Iran built MIG-29M for 12-14 Million USD an airframe, but thats not how Russia operates. I am still skeptical if any Flanker will ever fly in Iranian color.

Only utility I see of this missile is to keep the Cash cow F-4E/D fleet alive.